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Ok lets run this one again.... for those that dont grasp it.
NCL-LGW with Jet2 is 3x daily slots in to LGW, FlyBE have wanted to buy all 3 slots to op LGW-NQY. There fore ALL slots will be sold to FlyBE, there wont be 2 spare slots left over to ops BLK-LGW or anything else from LGW as ALL 3 SLOTS SOLD TO FLYBE!
NCL-LGW with Jet2 is 3x daily slots in to LGW, FlyBE have wanted to buy all 3 slots to op LGW-NQY. There fore ALL slots will be sold to FlyBE, there wont be 2 spare slots left over to ops BLK-LGW or anything else from LGW as ALL 3 SLOTS SOLD TO FLYBE!
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Channelex101 - most valid point made if the slots go its all three so aint any spare slot capacity.
Flightrider-Equally valid point,if they can't make domestic links to Gatwick from MAN and NCL with their large catchement areas then how is BLK - LGW possibly going to work. Your dealing with a limited no of possible paxs.
Hooded - How exactly is a LBA - LGW service going to operate profitably if BMI can't make LHR service into a main hub work with onward connections then a loco with bigger aircraft offering no onward connections is not going to work.
Finally, I personnally feel Jet2 are going to feel the squeeze this year, they have dramatically cut services from NCL,will soon have EZY and FR an MAN to contend with, share price aint looking that healthy and rumours of a LBA base can't be helping.
Flightrider-Equally valid point,if they can't make domestic links to Gatwick from MAN and NCL with their large catchement areas then how is BLK - LGW possibly going to work. Your dealing with a limited no of possible paxs.
Hooded - How exactly is a LBA - LGW service going to operate profitably if BMI can't make LHR service into a main hub work with onward connections then a loco with bigger aircraft offering no onward connections is not going to work.
Finally, I personnally feel Jet2 are going to feel the squeeze this year, they have dramatically cut services from NCL,will soon have EZY and FR an MAN to contend with, share price aint looking that healthy and rumours of a LBA base can't be helping.
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What's all the fuss?
A little streamlining of the business is all that is needed. Just one or two loss leaders may be best go rid of to ensure better profitability to stabilise the markets. The Newcastle Gatwick route has served it's purpose and it's now time to move on to more profitable greener pastures. As for a possible LBA Ryanair base having some impact, that depends on the deal struck with the airport authority if it indeed happens. Bridgepoint will want to protect the routes already served by Jet2 at LBA, but there is still enormous potential for growth in new markets.
A little streamlining of the business is all that is needed. Just one or two loss leaders may be best go rid of to ensure better profitability to stabilise the markets. The Newcastle Gatwick route has served it's purpose and it's now time to move on to more profitable greener pastures. As for a possible LBA Ryanair base having some impact, that depends on the deal struck with the airport authority if it indeed happens. Bridgepoint will want to protect the routes already served by Jet2 at LBA, but there is still enormous potential for growth in new markets.
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if they can't make domestic links to Gatwick from MAN and NCL with their large catchement areas then how is BLK - LGW possibly going to work.
MAN has flights to:
LCY (VLM)
LGW (BA)
LHR (BA, BMI)
STN (Eastern)
BLK has no flights to any London airport.
Air has a larger journey time advantage over rail for London-Blackpool (rail 3h 10 mins with a change) than London-Manchester (rail 2h 10mins).
Definitely worth thinking about (though it clearly isn't going to happen with respect to the slots being discussed here).
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BLK-LGW unlikely to work for reasons outlined previously on the BLK thread. Low demand & a regular train service taking similar time "door to door".
As Channex stated Domestics haven't really worked for Jet2. Being based somewhere in the centre of the UK doesn't help their cause! Only longer domestic routes really seem to work these days - trains now appear to be moving higher percentages of people on shorter routes (i.e. LON-LPL/LBA/MAN)
PM is very good at repositioning the organisation and taking advantage of new opportunities so I doubt it will be doom & gloom!
As Channex stated Domestics haven't really worked for Jet2. Being based somewhere in the centre of the UK doesn't help their cause! Only longer domestic routes really seem to work these days - trains now appear to be moving higher percentages of people on shorter routes (i.e. LON-LPL/LBA/MAN)
PM is very good at repositioning the organisation and taking advantage of new opportunities so I doubt it will be doom & gloom!
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When I worked for 'Scotland's Airline' many moons ago, the great trueism was 'If you want a successful route, fly over water'. Our routes from MAN, EDI and GLA to BHD (and to the Islands) were far better than everything else.
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Well its official Jet2 off the NCL-LGW end of March, now wait for it.
Flybe start 30th March with YES 3 flights daily Mon-Fri and one each Sat & Sun.
Jet2 pax booked on the NCL-LGW can transfer free of charge onto Flybe.
So where did the LGW-NQY flight rumour go, so Flybe looks like they brought all three slots from Jet2.
Flybe start 30th March with YES 3 flights daily Mon-Fri and one each Sat & Sun.
Jet2 pax booked on the NCL-LGW can transfer free of charge onto Flybe.
So where did the LGW-NQY flight rumour go, so Flybe looks like they brought all three slots from Jet2.
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LGW-NQY was reported in the press! Please they doing the LGW route, im assuming its going to be on the Dash and we not lucky enough to have the EMB190 based here?
Good that they are selling flights for £1, if LS did that we might have still been doing the route now, but with LS wanting to go long haul and charter, couldnt see LGW stayin anyway
Good that they are selling flights for £1, if LS did that we might have still been doing the route now, but with LS wanting to go long haul and charter, couldnt see LGW stayin anyway
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channex101 - by no stretch of the imagination the scale of cutbacks we are seeing this year are can be classed as consolodation, this looks to me like the 1st signs of an airline in serious trouble. For Jet2 to then try and get into the charter market looks even more like an act of desperation.
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For Jet2 to then try and get into the charter market looks even more like an act of desperation.
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So, diversification of their business model is seen as 'desperation'?
Utter, utter nonsense.
They are no more in trouble than any other airline at present.
It's a wise move and a safer plan than the inept cycle of constant prodding of unpredictable scheduled destinations that the loco operators seem to be forever trapped in. Jet2 are actually looking ahead here, rather than backtracking and clutching at straws. It makes perfect sense. If they had a 'stick to our guns' business model that wasn't willing or even able to adapt, then they'd be stupid and naive. Fact is, they're moving and shaking. It's a good thing.
Find new routes, axe old routes, find more new routes, axe more old routes, axe some of the new routes, re-instate axed routes, etc... this generic loco cycle has been going on for long enough. It's time it evolved. The market is changing. Jet2 feel that the 'do some loco, do some charter' thing might work for them. To at least try it makes perfect sense to me. To not try it would be far, far less progressive.
On a side note, I find the football fan-like allegiance by some forum members to airlines and airports and their business models very confusing. If Jet2 are gone tomorrow or still here in 10 years time, it makes no difference to me. But looking at them with objective eyes and having a lot of experience in this area of the industry, I don't see how anyone can say yet that what they're doing is a bad thing. It would become a bad thing if they tried it and it didn't work, but they still persisted with it.
Utter, utter nonsense.
They are no more in trouble than any other airline at present.
It's a wise move and a safer plan than the inept cycle of constant prodding of unpredictable scheduled destinations that the loco operators seem to be forever trapped in. Jet2 are actually looking ahead here, rather than backtracking and clutching at straws. It makes perfect sense. If they had a 'stick to our guns' business model that wasn't willing or even able to adapt, then they'd be stupid and naive. Fact is, they're moving and shaking. It's a good thing.
Find new routes, axe old routes, find more new routes, axe more old routes, axe some of the new routes, re-instate axed routes, etc... this generic loco cycle has been going on for long enough. It's time it evolved. The market is changing. Jet2 feel that the 'do some loco, do some charter' thing might work for them. To at least try it makes perfect sense to me. To not try it would be far, far less progressive.
On a side note, I find the football fan-like allegiance by some forum members to airlines and airports and their business models very confusing. If Jet2 are gone tomorrow or still here in 10 years time, it makes no difference to me. But looking at them with objective eyes and having a lot of experience in this area of the industry, I don't see how anyone can say yet that what they're doing is a bad thing. It would become a bad thing if they tried it and it didn't work, but they still persisted with it.
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Harrogate,
I absolutely agree with your comments.
Wanting to make money is desperation?Rubbish.
I run a successful International business and I constantly change my strategy and business plan to suit rapidly changing market conditions.
Having a good sound business plan makes sense but when the plan is formulated, market conditions could be dramatically different so sticking with the original plan can be a disaster.
I would say Jet2 follow sound common sense logic and they are pretty smart and fast reacting in a difficult business.
wawkrk
I absolutely agree with your comments.
Wanting to make money is desperation?Rubbish.
I run a successful International business and I constantly change my strategy and business plan to suit rapidly changing market conditions.
Having a good sound business plan makes sense but when the plan is formulated, market conditions could be dramatically different so sticking with the original plan can be a disaster.
I would say Jet2 follow sound common sense logic and they are pretty smart and fast reacting in a difficult business.
wawkrk