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I fly with Jet2 a few times a year, and they actually sent me a questionaire about what I thought of a 'premium' upgrade a few months ago.
From what I remember, they were proposing £35 per person per sector for:
*Priority Check-In
*Fast track security
*VIP Lounge
*Free newspaper
*Free meal-deal
*Seats at front of the cabin
I told them I wouldn't be interested... but it looks like they've had a play around with the idea anyway.
On the feed-back form I suggested throwing in leg-room would be more a pull than a free paper! Also, come on... seats at the 'front' are hardly a plus are they? You can get them for nothing at check-in!
From what I remember, they were proposing £35 per person per sector for:
*Priority Check-In
*Fast track security
*VIP Lounge
*Free newspaper
*Free meal-deal
*Seats at front of the cabin
I told them I wouldn't be interested... but it looks like they've had a play around with the idea anyway.
On the feed-back form I suggested throwing in leg-room would be more a pull than a free paper! Also, come on... seats at the 'front' are hardly a plus are they? You can get them for nothing at check-in!
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This was foreseen, according to a chum of mine. It's not a surprise. They've hopped on the back of a few unexpected ventures since forecasting last year, so the expenditure went out the window and they ran with it.
All very opportunistic. Let's hope they're being careful.
All very opportunistic. Let's hope they're being careful.
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Had a sneak preview of the Premium cold meal today. It's a crispy salad with pasta and slivers of meat. A large piece of baguette as well. Fairly strong dressing, which will be an advantage in retaining the taste at altitude. despite my initial skepticism, it's actually very acceptable. Fairly decent portion size as well.
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Dart Group announcement
The recent route expansion announcements regarding LBA and on the flip side of the coin the retrenchments that are occurring at places in northern England that aren't LBA (for want of a better phrase), I believe, give a clue to where the company is making money and where it isn't!
The hints (elsewhere) that some of the current MAN 737 fleet being brought to Yeadon to support this route expansion rather than adding more (737)frames would also seem to confirm that first belief.
Is the announcement of Jet2plus on the Canary routes a test of some sort of premium product that might be offered on the much talked-about long-haul services? One longhaul unit at NCL and the second elsewhere?
Discuss.
The hints (elsewhere) that some of the current MAN 737 fleet being brought to Yeadon to support this route expansion rather than adding more (737)frames would also seem to confirm that first belief.
Is the announcement of Jet2plus on the Canary routes a test of some sort of premium product that might be offered on the much talked-about long-haul services? One longhaul unit at NCL and the second elsewhere?
Discuss.
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I reckon the 'plus' service has to be a test of an upcoming premium offering, and it's good news for a market sector that's on the eve of a critical period, where only those who adapt will survive in the long-term.
I applaud Jet2 for all the poking and repositioning they do. They're clearly looking to push the UK lo-co model into new territory in their adopted regions. It's a refreshing change from the trials and tribulations of some of their competitors... e.g. if the Dublin route doesn't work within a month, then sack off the airport altogether.
Even though the company has its detractors, Virgin Blue has done and is still doing a similar thing in Oz. OK, there's more competition over here, but VB are meeting the demands of leisure and business customers within their network and now they're taking their offering over the pacific. Jetstar are following suit, but seem to be focussing their long-haul aspirations on Asia.
With Jetstar and VB looking more and more to longhaul in OZ, along with Air Asia X (or whatever it's called this week) linking Asia to europe and OZ, it's only logical for UK and other european lo-co's to look towards growing the model.
No-one's saying it'll definitely work, but expansion to more distant shores is the key to self-preservation for lo-co companies the world over and perhaps the only option for sustained growth of any kind beyond the next few years for european lo-co's. Might as well get started now.
Current lo-co restrictions hurt on long-haul (OK, it's not strictly long-haul, but I've done the 5 hour Darwin and Perth to Singapore routes with Tiger... don't bother if you're over 6ft), so common sense dictates that a 'plus' service will be considered by lo-co punters on journeys of 5 hours or more.
Any chance of some 'quick change' larger aircraft, to bolster revenue by ferrying cargo, or is that lunacy?
I applaud Jet2 for all the poking and repositioning they do. They're clearly looking to push the UK lo-co model into new territory in their adopted regions. It's a refreshing change from the trials and tribulations of some of their competitors... e.g. if the Dublin route doesn't work within a month, then sack off the airport altogether.
Even though the company has its detractors, Virgin Blue has done and is still doing a similar thing in Oz. OK, there's more competition over here, but VB are meeting the demands of leisure and business customers within their network and now they're taking their offering over the pacific. Jetstar are following suit, but seem to be focussing their long-haul aspirations on Asia.
With Jetstar and VB looking more and more to longhaul in OZ, along with Air Asia X (or whatever it's called this week) linking Asia to europe and OZ, it's only logical for UK and other european lo-co's to look towards growing the model.
No-one's saying it'll definitely work, but expansion to more distant shores is the key to self-preservation for lo-co companies the world over and perhaps the only option for sustained growth of any kind beyond the next few years for european lo-co's. Might as well get started now.
Current lo-co restrictions hurt on long-haul (OK, it's not strictly long-haul, but I've done the 5 hour Darwin and Perth to Singapore routes with Tiger... don't bother if you're over 6ft), so common sense dictates that a 'plus' service will be considered by lo-co punters on journeys of 5 hours or more.
Any chance of some 'quick change' larger aircraft, to bolster revenue by ferrying cargo, or is that lunacy?
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Intresting times ahead at JET2.
With quite a few of the 73's moving to LBA whats happening with the crew? Are they being moved over to the 75's?
What about changing the dual based BLK/MAN to LBA/MAN
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With quite a few of the 73's moving to LBA whats happening with the crew? Are they being moved over to the 75's?
What about changing the dual based BLK/MAN to LBA/MAN
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Not a big issue really.....2 MAN 73's to LBA.....1 75 to MAN (Where from...? Poss NCL?)
With the issues of the under crewing this summer looks like no effect to the MAN based 73 Capts....looks like the "contract" Capts will have to move with the a/c !("IF" they choose to return!).
Company has asked for a few MAN 73 F/O's to "volunteer" to relocate to LBA but that is probably unlikely due to the number of F/O's in holding pools with other airlines !
As for where the 75 crew are coming from....????
As for "dual basing"......I feel "UK BASED" anyway !!
With the issues of the under crewing this summer looks like no effect to the MAN based 73 Capts....looks like the "contract" Capts will have to move with the a/c !("IF" they choose to return!).
Company has asked for a few MAN 73 F/O's to "volunteer" to relocate to LBA but that is probably unlikely due to the number of F/O's in holding pools with other airlines !
As for where the 75 crew are coming from....????
As for "dual basing"......I feel "UK BASED" anyway !!
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Dont worry at Manchester you will be seeing a lot of the 757s this winter when they divert from Leeds due to not being able to use Cat 2 or 3 at our little mountain aircraft carrier. Maybe that is why the 737s are coming back to Leeds to improve the chances of passengers arriving at there chosen arrival point which is good for our adopted yorkshire airline.
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Even though the company has its detractors, Virgin Blue has done and is still doing a similar thing in Oz. OK, there's more competition over here, but VB are meeting the demands of leisure and business customers within their network and now they're taking their offering over the pacific. Jetstar are following suit, but seem to be focussing their long-haul aspirations on Asia.
With Jetstar and VB looking more and more to longhaul in OZ, along with Air Asia X (or whatever it's called this week) linking Asia to europe and OZ, it's only logical for UK and other european lo-co's to look towards growing the model.
With Jetstar and VB looking more and more to longhaul in OZ, along with Air Asia X (or whatever it's called this week) linking Asia to europe and OZ, it's only logical for UK and other european lo-co's to look towards growing the model.
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"Well I'm certainly surprised at this analogy. Other than both airlines are Loco's as I see it they have ZERO in common ! I've used VB & they have a slick product that has great national presence & recognition and in terms of service, their product is even better than legacy carrier QF. So in the Aus market then presumably VB can take comfort from the stregnth of their domestic route network in supporting overseas LH expansion. Insofar as Jet 2 are concerned you have simply a 'point to point' operation with the many obvious disadvantages that this presents."
Jesus, man! That's the point of my post.
If Jet2 follow elements of the VB model, they'll be onto something. Longhaul, domestic offering (i.e. going beyond the point-to-point remit), a basic frequent flyer program, etc.
And you're wrong. VB is not a lo-co any more. They've evolved and morphed the traditional lo-co model into a unique model that has the best of both worlds.
VB have got into such new territory now that they're actually launcing a lo-co - how does that fit into your blinkered European-centric perspective?
Here's a news source quote for you:
"Virgin Blue announced in May-07 that it was considering launching a “super low cost” subsidiary. The carrier would operate B737s and offer “extremely” cheap fares on domestic operations. At the time of the announcement the carrier stated that the new subsidiary could be in could be in place within six months – which means an announcement is probably due very soon. This would be the world’s first low cost subsidiary of a low cost airline."
I fly VB all the time when I'm in Oz (the freedoms of dual nationality... thank-you Mum) and I remember their humble beginnings and how they capitalised on the fall of Ansett. Jet2 - or any other UK lo-co for that matter - probably aren't going to get such a windfall, but they've grown in their own way already, so it's largely mission accomplished on that front.
Jet2 - with their 757s and rumoured 767s - are well placed to be the UK lo-co that breaks the mould, just like VB did. Whereas the parallels are by no means exact (as I mentioned before by saying obvioulsy there's more competition over here), it should come as no surprise that other regions will start learning from the VBs innovations.
Change. Eek! Frightening.
Jesus, man! That's the point of my post.
If Jet2 follow elements of the VB model, they'll be onto something. Longhaul, domestic offering (i.e. going beyond the point-to-point remit), a basic frequent flyer program, etc.
And you're wrong. VB is not a lo-co any more. They've evolved and morphed the traditional lo-co model into a unique model that has the best of both worlds.
VB have got into such new territory now that they're actually launcing a lo-co - how does that fit into your blinkered European-centric perspective?
Here's a news source quote for you:
"Virgin Blue announced in May-07 that it was considering launching a “super low cost” subsidiary. The carrier would operate B737s and offer “extremely” cheap fares on domestic operations. At the time of the announcement the carrier stated that the new subsidiary could be in could be in place within six months – which means an announcement is probably due very soon. This would be the world’s first low cost subsidiary of a low cost airline."
I fly VB all the time when I'm in Oz (the freedoms of dual nationality... thank-you Mum) and I remember their humble beginnings and how they capitalised on the fall of Ansett. Jet2 - or any other UK lo-co for that matter - probably aren't going to get such a windfall, but they've grown in their own way already, so it's largely mission accomplished on that front.
Jet2 - with their 757s and rumoured 767s - are well placed to be the UK lo-co that breaks the mould, just like VB did. Whereas the parallels are by no means exact (as I mentioned before by saying obvioulsy there's more competition over here), it should come as no surprise that other regions will start learning from the VBs innovations.
Change. Eek! Frightening.
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Jet2 - with their 757s and rumoured 767s - are well placed to be the UK lo-co that breaks the mould, just like VB did
Before you go back in at the deepend & have another pop, it may be wise to get an update on the 'rumoured' 767's, which may be proving to be yet another obstacle in the development of your percieved expansion.
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I don't see why Jet2 obtaining 767's should be so shocking?
Surely a Lo-co obtaining 757's, as they did a couple of years ago must of seemed a bigger announcement. Please correct me (as I'm sure you will) but didn't that make them the only UK Lo-Co airline to have an airctaft as large as that. I did hear from someone that it was a cheaper option than buying new 737-800's at the time.
Getting more pax on for similar operating costs has obviously worked out well on the popular european summer destinations.
Every UK 757 operator, with the exception of Thomas Cook I think, uses both fleets.
If Jet2 are moving into the jet2holidays.com charter enviroment with a clearly growing market in the north of the UK then aquiring 767's seems, to me, to be a natural progression.
Surely a Lo-co obtaining 757's, as they did a couple of years ago must of seemed a bigger announcement. Please correct me (as I'm sure you will) but didn't that make them the only UK Lo-Co airline to have an airctaft as large as that. I did hear from someone that it was a cheaper option than buying new 737-800's at the time.
Getting more pax on for similar operating costs has obviously worked out well on the popular european summer destinations.
Every UK 757 operator, with the exception of Thomas Cook I think, uses both fleets.
If Jet2 are moving into the jet2holidays.com charter enviroment with a clearly growing market in the north of the UK then aquiring 767's seems, to me, to be a natural progression.
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757 and Cat III
A300Boy makes good sense as to why some 737s are leaving Manchester to Leeds. The 737 can use the Cat III at Leeds while Jet2 757s are not allowed to use Cat III at Leeds (while they can at Manchester). The 757s can float too long on landing due to the humpback profile of the runway at Leeds. A little bit ironic in a way, as once firmly on the ground, the 757 can out brake a 737 any day.
So, I think it looks like a sensible move to allow for the winter weather.
So, I think it looks like a sensible move to allow for the winter weather.
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As I understand it the move of the 737s from LBA to MAN is a plan for next summer and is motivated by the network plans for each base, rather than any ad-hoc weather related issues this winter. If anything there will be more 757 activity this winter at Leeds considering the addition of Las Palmas and the plans for GVA & CMF.
Compared to this summer, Summer 08 will see at least 5 extra 757 sectors from LBA (ACE x 2, PFO x 2, HER x 1). The timings mean this cannot be accommodated without either adding an extra 757 or by downsizing a selection of this summer's sectors to BCN, FAO, AGP, ALC, PMI & MJV back onto the 737 fleet. In addition, the Leeds 737s will need to pick up the recently announced expansion into Madrid, Hamburg, Geneva, France etc. So, 2 extra 737s seems reasonable and given Jet2's somewhat iffy track record on 737 routes out of MAN it's no real surprise this is where they are coming from.
MAN does need an extra 757 though to cope with ACE and TFS which will operate in the summer in 2008 and also (I presume) to avoid leasing in a -400 series 737 for the 3rd consecutive summer. BFS also looks like it needs a 757 for S08 so net growth of 2 x 757 s in these bases. If the speculation then is that Jet2 will lease one 757 from a UK charter operator and will strip one out of NCL to provide the other, then agreeing exactly what will happen at NCL next summer is likely to be a bottleneck for everything else.
Compared to this summer, Summer 08 will see at least 5 extra 757 sectors from LBA (ACE x 2, PFO x 2, HER x 1). The timings mean this cannot be accommodated without either adding an extra 757 or by downsizing a selection of this summer's sectors to BCN, FAO, AGP, ALC, PMI & MJV back onto the 737 fleet. In addition, the Leeds 737s will need to pick up the recently announced expansion into Madrid, Hamburg, Geneva, France etc. So, 2 extra 737s seems reasonable and given Jet2's somewhat iffy track record on 737 routes out of MAN it's no real surprise this is where they are coming from.
MAN does need an extra 757 though to cope with ACE and TFS which will operate in the summer in 2008 and also (I presume) to avoid leasing in a -400 series 737 for the 3rd consecutive summer. BFS also looks like it needs a 757 for S08 so net growth of 2 x 757 s in these bases. If the speculation then is that Jet2 will lease one 757 from a UK charter operator and will strip one out of NCL to provide the other, then agreeing exactly what will happen at NCL next summer is likely to be a bottleneck for everything else.
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I am sure 682ft amsl has his facts to support his views he normally posts well informed information,and my observations were only tongue in cheek not factual. I only hope that the 757 Cat 3 at Leeds issues are fixable otherwise I fear that the excellent overall image of Jet2s reliability will be tarnished by diversions that operating 737s into Leeds would avoid. As far as next summer is concerned is it not true several routes operated at present are to have reduced frequencies ie Prague, which will give spare capacity for these extra destinations which in some cases are only weekly or twice weekly.