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Indeed. That really would be freaky. One thing for BA to square up on lcy from dub and edi where there is long history of financial traffic to prove routes into Lcy work. Another thing completely to crowd BHD lcy which BE have already tried about 3 times in different incarnations and are yet to find any evidence of a market for! 
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BACF Have also announced the following changes to there W14 schedule
ABZ - Route Suspended from 26OCT14
ARN - Route Suspended from 26OCT14
EDI - Will increase to up to 11 x Daily
GLA - Will increase to up to 8 x Daily
GRX - Will operate a reduced Schedule
PMI - Will operate a reduced Schedule
VCE - Route becomes Summer Seasonal will not operate W14. Resumes March 2015
ABZ - Route Suspended from 26OCT14
ARN - Route Suspended from 26OCT14
EDI - Will increase to up to 11 x Daily
GLA - Will increase to up to 8 x Daily
GRX - Will operate a reduced Schedule
PMI - Will operate a reduced Schedule
VCE - Route becomes Summer Seasonal will not operate W14. Resumes March 2015
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Would BCAF not have the advantage from BHD-LCY of transfer pax around Europe that BE would not have. Epeciially with UA stopping EWR-BFS could they not pic upsome c class businessto the JFK?
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Would BCAF not have the advantage from BHD-LCY of transfer pax around Europe that BE would not have. Epeciially with UA stopping EWR-BFS could they not pic upsome c class businessto the JFK?
Yes BACF could offer some connections into Europe over City if they wanted.
Problem is flights from Belfast are not providing the yields they once did and frankly EZY, Flybe and Aer Lingus have market share and BA do fly to LHR you know !
BTW the Dublin - LCY is a spoiler BACF are on a mission to kill Cityjet imho only btw
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My weekend has just been ruined by reading about the LCY-ABZ suspension. 
Despite my user name, since BACF opened the LCY-ABZ route, most of my flying to Aberdeen has gone via City and it has transformed my weekly commute for the better.
I always thought it was a 'spoiler route' announced quickly after CityJet's plans for flying to Aberdeen were announced. Now CityJet are retrenching BA obviously feel safe to force the passengers back to using Heathrow.
I'd assumed the Aberdeen route was at least holding its own though - whilst not often completely full, I suspect a lot of the tickets are full-fare, though I suppose it is a zero-sum game, with lots of us being cannibalised from the existing Heathrow flights.
At least my user name will be more accurate once more...
Despite my user name, since BACF opened the LCY-ABZ route, most of my flying to Aberdeen has gone via City and it has transformed my weekly commute for the better.I always thought it was a 'spoiler route' announced quickly after CityJet's plans for flying to Aberdeen were announced. Now CityJet are retrenching BA obviously feel safe to force the passengers back to using Heathrow.
I'd assumed the Aberdeen route was at least holding its own though - whilst not often completely full, I suspect a lot of the tickets are full-fare, though I suppose it is a zero-sum game, with lots of us being cannibalised from the existing Heathrow flights.
At least my user name will be more accurate once more...
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They are slowly getting a very attractive product together, along with a cost base that Citiflyer could only dream of.
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Just wanted to ask during the summer season when BACF have a pretty heavy charter schedule on the weekends in GLA/EDI/ABZ in particular are these
Sunshine sectors such as PMI operated by crew they have based in In these airports?
Seems to be getting much bigger for them as a market year on year!
Sunshine sectors such as PMI operated by crew they have based in In these airports?
Seems to be getting much bigger for them as a market year on year!
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Is not the ARN route closed down already?
BACF Have also announced the following changes to there W14 schedule
ABZ - Route Suspended from 26OCT14
ARN - Route Suspended from 26OCT14
EDI - Will increase to up to 11 x Daily
GLA - Will increase to up to 8 x Daily
GRX - Will operate a reduced Schedule
PMI - Will operate a reduced Schedule
VCE - Route becomes Summer Seasonal will not operate W14. Resumes March 2015
BACF Have also announced the following changes to there W14 schedule
ABZ - Route Suspended from 26OCT14
ARN - Route Suspended from 26OCT14
EDI - Will increase to up to 11 x Daily
GLA - Will increase to up to 8 x Daily
GRX - Will operate a reduced Schedule
PMI - Will operate a reduced Schedule
VCE - Route becomes Summer Seasonal will not operate W14. Resumes March 2015
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This doesn't make me feel good about what they offer the consumer in the longer term. Run Flybe and CityJet from City, then charge monopolistic prices or drop the routes.
I really hope this strategy backfires for them. What anti-competitive, consumer-unfriendly behaviour.
I really hope this strategy backfires for them. What anti-competitive, consumer-unfriendly behaviour.
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Why don't Cityjet and Flybe play them at their own game, pick up ABZ, ARN, PMI, VCE etc. And anywhere else they know BACF are weak. Flybe would probably do quite well (better than BACF anyway) on leisure routes from LCY... Low cost base and all. Likewise Cityjet could hopefully do quite well on ARN providing they ramp their service up a bit to what it used to be. Then it could be a toss up between them on ABZ.
There is demand there, but maybe a Fokker/146/Dash might be more economical to places like Aberdeen than an E-jet?
There is demand there, but maybe a Fokker/146/Dash might be more economical to places like Aberdeen than an E-jet?
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Nothing to do with being anti competitive, just plain economics I imagine. You want to get the best profit from what asserts you have. People paying for a club seat to Dublin will fetch far greater yield than a discounted economy ticket to Aberdeen surely.
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Flybe would probably do quite well (better than BACF anyway) on leisure routes from LCY... Low cost base and all.
BACF are weak
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Flybe can't offer sun routes with their current ERJ175 / 195 mix as it's not possible to use them out of LCY.
Embraer knew what they were doing when the did the E170/190 steep approach certification but not the other two models. If you want to operate into LCY, buy the right aircraft in the first place.
Flybe are using one aircraft on each route to provide four roundtrips a day. That means only 25% of their capacity will be peak morning into LCY and peak evening out of LCY.
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It's a classic fallacy to say "if airline A can reduce its operating costs below airline B, airline A will win". (This is also summarised as "lowest cost wins".) Lowest cost wins, all else being equal. But "all else" includes marketing and distribution power, and that's not equal. By way of example: BA has superb penetration of corporate customers in the UK and of multinational corporates further afield. They can sign up global deals which provide incentives to use BA or BACF short-haul. Despite that, ARN-LCY on modern efficient passenger-friendly aircraft hasn't worked for them. Cityjet is newly independent, at arm's length from any Air France/KLM sales organisation, struggling to even get into all the GDSs, flying elderly, fuel-thirsty, and not particularly comfortable RJ85s, and cutting back on on-board service in a short-sighted attempt to eliminate USPs along with costs. And you think they would do better in the market than BACF...why exactly?
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Yeah, I have a soft spot for London City and all it's airlines, but especially Cityjet (Don't know why... Think I just really enjoyed my flight with them) and I think I'm probably being too generous with regards to their abilities, but that's why I say that they'll need to improve their product back to what it was or better, but I think that they are near the end of the line at London city and unless Flybe can really give it a good go, it'll probably end up with a BACF monopoly on most routes, and frankly, for all they have excellent service (or did in 2009), I don't think they are that reliable, somewhat like Ryanair when it comes to having favourite routes and chopping and changing others. Maybe cityjet's future lies in operations outside of London City, connecting cities throughout Europe? Maybe? Who knows. But I hope they sort something out.
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I don't see BACF's behaviour at LCY as anti-competitive.
BA has long been criticised for not being able to compete outside of fortress LHR and running away from competition elsewhere at LGW and in the UK regions.
Granted BA is aided by the corporate customer base at LCY and many of its flyers being tied to their shiny Executive Club cards, but LCY seems a good example of BA having the fleet, cost base, and product to enable it to compete.
BA has long been criticised for not being able to compete outside of fortress LHR and running away from competition elsewhere at LGW and in the UK regions.
Granted BA is aided by the corporate customer base at LCY and many of its flyers being tied to their shiny Executive Club cards, but LCY seems a good example of BA having the fleet, cost base, and product to enable it to compete.
