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SAAB is on a 5 month lease as BACF have stated that the Rotterdam will be going to an EJet in September. IOM will hopefully do well and would be nice to see that return to a jet at some point as well.
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Eastern Saab on only a 5 month lease, but BA selling IOM-LCY to end October, and beyond.
BE appear to have LCY slots secured for this (and other routes) from early September.
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BE appear to have LCY slots secured for this (and other routes) from early September.
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Eastern Saab on only a 5 month lease, but BA selling IOM-LCY to end October, and beyond.
BE appear to have LCY slots secured for this (and other routes) from early September.
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As stated, the 2nd Saab is a 5 month lease for the RTM. The long term Saab wet lease is for the IOM for the foreseeable future.
BE appear to have LCY slots secured for this (and other routes) from early September.
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As stated, the 2nd Saab is a 5 month lease for the RTM. The long term Saab wet lease is for the IOM for the foreseeable future.
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They are slowly getting a very attractive product together, along with a cost base that Citiflyer could only dream of.
Good luck.
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Dublin London City had total pax of 14K in April this year as an example.
We saw Cityjet and Aer Lingus/ JEA fight the toss on this route years ago ... Cityjet withdrew until the other two lost interest and then returned..
Re the comments about Cityflyer having lower cost base , in this instance I'd suggest it's not a big issue . BA has a brand image people will pay a premium for, coupled with its exec club it will emerge as winner. More over let's not forget BA is in it to win it so to speak , they are not sitting back and allowing BE to come in and cannibalise it's operation . BA will see this as a strategic investment and see off the competition - deep pockets, what the others don't have.
I'd call this a huge statement of intent by BA re their LCY operation ..
We saw Cityjet and Aer Lingus/ JEA fight the toss on this route years ago ... Cityjet withdrew until the other two lost interest and then returned..
Re the comments about Cityflyer having lower cost base , in this instance I'd suggest it's not a big issue . BA has a brand image people will pay a premium for, coupled with its exec club it will emerge as winner. More over let's not forget BA is in it to win it so to speak , they are not sitting back and allowing BE to come in and cannibalise it's operation . BA will see this as a strategic investment and see off the competition - deep pockets, what the others don't have.
I'd call this a huge statement of intent by BA re their LCY operation ..
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Do anybody know where the aircraft is coming from to operate the new route? The recently 3 added aircraft are/will be already operational (aircraft change on DUS, aircraft change on RTM and increase on other existing routes like EDI and AMS).
The BA Exec Club strength at LCY, and the fact that their schedules are much more business-centric, means they will simply end up wiping out this madcap scheme by Flybe.
Flybe are using one aircraft on each route to provide four roundtrips a day. That means only 25% of their capacity will be peak morning into LCY and peak evening out of LCY. If you look at the BACF schedules on any route like EDI, DUB etc, they are heavily biased towards morning capacity into LCY and evening capacity out - probably 55-60% of their daily seat capacity. Unless Flybe suddenly can create a new market for off-peak travel to LCY on those routes, with a cost-base to match, I'm strongly of the view that their incursion to LCY isn't going to work.
Flybe are using one aircraft on each route to provide four roundtrips a day. That means only 25% of their capacity will be peak morning into LCY and peak evening out of LCY. If you look at the BACF schedules on any route like EDI, DUB etc, they are heavily biased towards morning capacity into LCY and evening capacity out - probably 55-60% of their daily seat capacity. Unless Flybe suddenly can create a new market for off-peak travel to LCY on those routes, with a cost-base to match, I'm strongly of the view that their incursion to LCY isn't going to work.
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Hi WingoWango
Of course you are totally correct, cost base is very important and my point is in this instance it is not as important as usual.
I've equally no particular bias by airline , I'd be disappointed if Cityjet slipped away... It's been in Ireland a long time and been through the best and worst of times since it came about in 1994.
Equally aside from cost base and who has or hadn't got deep pockets, the shareholders in any company won't want to see cash being used to destroy the competition, but in BA's case this will be a long term investment , my prediction is that BA will be the sole operator in time... Cityjet will exit first and BE will lag behind and wait, not wanting to do a U turn on its big plan for LCY. We will see in my view, that LCY turns out to be as inefficient as LGW from a cost perspective for BE. And with lots of competition too ...
Of course you are totally correct, cost base is very important and my point is in this instance it is not as important as usual.
I've equally no particular bias by airline , I'd be disappointed if Cityjet slipped away... It's been in Ireland a long time and been through the best and worst of times since it came about in 1994.
Equally aside from cost base and who has or hadn't got deep pockets, the shareholders in any company won't want to see cash being used to destroy the competition, but in BA's case this will be a long term investment , my prediction is that BA will be the sole operator in time... Cityjet will exit first and BE will lag behind and wait, not wanting to do a U turn on its big plan for LCY. We will see in my view, that LCY turns out to be as inefficient as LGW from a cost perspective for BE. And with lots of competition too ...