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Old 15th Apr 2014, 16:49
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Looking at the fares they are charging and the sharp reduction in capacity to London from the IOM it should be a real moneyspinner
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Old 15th Apr 2014, 17:31
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Been on the IOM-LCY service twice in the last 10 days and both times it was full.
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Old 15th Apr 2014, 18:06
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SAAB is on a 5 month lease as BACF have stated that the Rotterdam will be going to an EJet in September. IOM will hopefully do well and would be nice to see that return to a jet at some point as well.
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Old 15th Apr 2014, 21:12
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Eastern Saab on only a 5 month lease, but BA selling IOM-LCY to end October, and beyond.

BE appear to have LCY slots secured for this (and other routes) from early September.

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Old 15th Apr 2014, 23:55
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CFE have three more airframes due for LCY, I imagine at least one would allow IOM to return to a ER7 operation?
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Old 16th Apr 2014, 08:41
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Eastern Saab on only a 5 month lease, but BA selling IOM-LCY to end October, and beyond.

BE appear to have LCY slots secured for this (and other routes) from early September.

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As stated, the 2nd Saab is a 5 month lease for the RTM. The long term Saab wet lease is for the IOM for the foreseeable future.
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Old 26th Jun 2014, 11:23
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BA have today announced 5 daily DUB-LCY with a mix of E70/90


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Old 26th Jun 2014, 13:23
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Oh dear, this can't end well, yes there is a lot of demand but I can see a complete bloodbath taking place here, how about EI throw in a few daily too :/
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Old 26th Jun 2014, 14:34
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Any chance of BHD. Anythings better than flymaybe
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Old 26th Jun 2014, 16:04
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Will that make 3 carriers to Dublin ? I can only see one winner - BA
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Old 26th Jun 2014, 18:02
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Guess they are out to have Cityjet as lunch (RTM, DUB). And once that is done, then probably flybe@LCY as dessert.
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Old 26th Jun 2014, 19:56
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They are slowly getting a very attractive product together, along with a cost base that Citiflyer could only dream of.
Wow! Slow product development and that latter assumption.

Good luck.
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Old 27th Jun 2014, 07:46
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Dublin London City had total pax of 14K in April this year as an example.

We saw Cityjet and Aer Lingus/ JEA fight the toss on this route years ago ... Cityjet withdrew until the other two lost interest and then returned..

Re the comments about Cityflyer having lower cost base , in this instance I'd suggest it's not a big issue . BA has a brand image people will pay a premium for, coupled with its exec club it will emerge as winner. More over let's not forget BA is in it to win it so to speak , they are not sitting back and allowing BE to come in and cannibalise it's operation . BA will see this as a strategic investment and see off the competition - deep pockets, what the others don't have.

I'd call this a huge statement of intent by BA re their LCY operation ..

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Old 27th Jun 2014, 08:25
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aircraft

Do anybody know where the aircraft is coming from to operate the new route? The recently 3 added aircraft are/will be already operational (aircraft change on DUS, aircraft change on RTM and increase on other existing routes like EDI and AMS).
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Old 27th Jun 2014, 08:30
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No more ARN

ARN is being dropped so that should free up some space for DUB.
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Old 27th Jun 2014, 08:48
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It is however not unfair to assume that Flybe will have a significant cost advantage in operating the routes on the basis of equipment choice alone.
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Old 27th Jun 2014, 09:02
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The BA Exec Club strength at LCY, and the fact that their schedules are much more business-centric, means they will simply end up wiping out this madcap scheme by Flybe.

Flybe are using one aircraft on each route to provide four roundtrips a day. That means only 25% of their capacity will be peak morning into LCY and peak evening out of LCY. If you look at the BACF schedules on any route like EDI, DUB etc, they are heavily biased towards morning capacity into LCY and evening capacity out - probably 55-60% of their daily seat capacity. Unless Flybe suddenly can create a new market for off-peak travel to LCY on those routes, with a cost-base to match, I'm strongly of the view that their incursion to LCY isn't going to work.
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Old 27th Jun 2014, 09:03
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Hi WingoWango

Of course you are totally correct, cost base is very important and my point is in this instance it is not as important as usual.

I've equally no particular bias by airline , I'd be disappointed if Cityjet slipped away... It's been in Ireland a long time and been through the best and worst of times since it came about in 1994.

Equally aside from cost base and who has or hadn't got deep pockets, the shareholders in any company won't want to see cash being used to destroy the competition, but in BA's case this will be a long term investment , my prediction is that BA will be the sole operator in time... Cityjet will exit first and BE will lag behind and wait, not wanting to do a U turn on its big plan for LCY. We will see in my view, that LCY turns out to be as inefficient as LGW from a cost perspective for BE. And with lots of competition too ...
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Old 27th Jun 2014, 13:13
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It seems Stockholm will be suspended to free up the aircraft.
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Old 27th Jun 2014, 14:18
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If bcaf also launch BHD flights BE aredead before
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