BA Cityflyer

[Jaq]

It's definitely 3 new machines.

It amazes me that BIG brother BA guys don't see Cityflyer creeping into their London manopoly. ALL the routes Cityflyer are on, or going to be, are ALL served by BIG BA.

They do say anyone can eat an Elephant. It just takes loads of small bites !!!!!!!

Are BA's BALPA guys blind?

[lfc84]

Originally Posted by Jaq

ALL the routes Cityflyer are on, or going to be, are ALL served by BIG BA.

that is incorrect

[Jaq]

Which one of Cityflyers destinations are NOT served by BIG BA?

[deecie]

Florence, Granada, Isle of Man, Menorca & some Regional French ones.

[Skipness One Echo]

It amazes me that BIG brother BA guys don't see Cityflyer creeping into their London manopoly. ALL the routes Cityflyer are on, or going to be, are ALL served by BIG BA.

It was a huge worry at the time of the consolidation of CFE and BRT. There is a SCOPE agreement which limits the number of seats CFE can have in their aircraft, which is why the seat pitch in the ER9s is so luxurious. However what BA have not dared to try yet is to allow comparably poorly paid Embraer crews to fly on BA services out of LHR or LGW. That would be the game changer, as it is, LCY is just growth.

[Jaq]

Some posters seem to be missing the point.

Florence, Granada, Isle of Man, Menorca & some Regional French ones.

Hardly the core business. Perhaps I should have mentioned EVERY single route by route to get my point across.
They also do fear of flying, Northern Lights flights and VIP charters, Football team charters etc etc etc, which doesn't impact on BIG BA.

Yes SOE. It is just growth, but ask why BIG BA management are allowing it. Much cheapness. BIG BA managers want CF to grow as much as possible for the reason you say.

poorly paid Embraer crews to fly on BA services

CF will never harm BA simply because of the size difference. However my point stands. CF are (Mainly, for deeice ) nibbling away at BAs routes and 'British Airways Line Pilots Association' are letting them get away with it.

[BAladdy]

S14 Schedule Takes Shape

Below are details of changes to BACF's planned S14 schedule.

Amsterdam - Frequency increased from 12th May 2014. Flights operate up to 8 x daily with following 4 x weekly rotation added.

BA8489 LCY 11:00 AMS 13:00 x567
BA8490 AMS 13:40 LCY 13:40 x567

Dusseldorf - A BACF 76 seat E70 will replace the current 50 seat leased S2000 on the route from the start of S14. As a result overall capacity on the route will be increased by just over 50%.

Edinburgh - Frequency increased to up to 9 x daily to 8 x daily from 12th May 2014 with following flights added:

BA8710 LCY 19:00 EDI 20:20 x67
BA8719 EDI 20:20 LCY 21:20 x567

Florence - NEW 4 x weekly (days x246) service will begin 31st March 2014. Flights will mostly be operated by a E90.

BA3279 LCY 11:00 FLR 14:05 135
BA3279 LCY 16:15 FLR 19:20 7

BA3280 FLR 14:45 LCY 15:55 135
BA3280 FLR 19:55 LCY 21:05 7

Madrid - The increase in frequency from 11 to 16 x weekly introduced for W13/14 will not continue through S14. Flights will return to the 11 x weekly frequency operated during S13 from 28th March 2014

Rotterdam - NEW 25 x weekly service will begin 30th March 2014. Flights will be operated by the 50 seater S2000 leased from T3 that is currently used to operate the DUS service

BA4451 LCY 07:35 RTM 09:25 x567
BA4453 LCY 10:30 RTM 12:25 x67
BA4455 LCY 13:30 RTM 15:25 x67
BA4457 LCY 16:25 RTM 18:20 x16
BA4459 LCY 19:25 RTM 21:20 x6

BA4450 RTM 07:05 LCY 07:00 x57
BA4452 RTM 09:55 LCY 09:50 x67
BA4454 RTM 13:00 LCY 12:25 x67
BA4456 RTM 16:00 LCY 15:55 x167
BA4458 RTM 19:00 LCY 18:55 x6


Stockholm - Frequency increase from 11 to 16 x weekly introduced at the start of W13/14 will continue to operate throughout S14, with the exception of between 6th July and 30th August when the route will be temporarily suspended. BACF suspended the route during the same period and for the same amount of time during S13.

Venice - Frequency reduced to 3 x weekly (ops days 2,4,6) from 30th March 2014. Flights operated up to 6 x weekly S13.

Zurich - Frequency Increased to up to 5 x daily with following weekday rotation added from 12th May 2014

BA8761 LCY 14:30 ZRH 17:00 x67
BA8762 ZRH 18:00 LCY 18:30 x67

Further Changes are likely between now and the start of the S14 schedule on 30th March 2014

[RJ100]

Jaq

What we are doing is on certain London to Europe routes is possibly freeing up a LHR short haul slot for BA to replace with a Long Haul. Which if anything will increase the number of pilots needed. Last time we checked a LH frame requires more pilots than a SH.
BACF E190's do not have the capacity to replace an A319 for example.

Sounds like you're trying to scaremonger and stir the pot.

[jijpc]

Does anyone know if the Dusseldorf change will result in the S2000 going back to 3xdaily IOM-LCY service, which many IOM residents are hoping will happen given the abandonment of IOM-LGW by FlyBe?
Thanks

[Skipness One Echo]

The Saab 2000 is being used on the new LCY-RTM I believe.

[RJ100]

Yes that's correct the SAAB is going on the LCY-RTM route.

[silverstreak]

BACF and the Embraer fleet would be an ideal replacement for BAs LGW domestic operation (and some European routes).

B734 fleet almost at the end of their 'BA' life, with current plans to replace them with A320s not exactly going to be cheap.

[sarnold]

BA have confirmed the return of the IOM-LCY route three times daily from S14. Any ideas what aircraft will operate, seeing as the S20 is going to Rotterdam. Nightstop an E170?

[RVF750]

Unlikely. Most likely an early rotation out of the City and back...No doubt heavily subsidised by the Manx Govt......

[Cyrano]

Unlikely. Most likely an early rotation out of the City and back...No doubt heavily subsidised by the Manx Govt......

Tying up an Embraer for a whole day (which is what 3 rotations on this basis would do) with unattractive timings to boot (can't leave LCY before 0700, and there's not much market for outbound from LCY at 0700 anyway) sounds remarkably expensive. If the 3/daily rumour is true I'd be more inclined to suspect a Dornier 328 from SunAir, another Saab 2000, or something similar in the 50-seats-or-less range.

[Skipness One Echo]

Unlikely. Most likely an early rotation out of the City and back...No doubt heavily subsidised by the Manx Govt......

Why unlikely? The vast majority of the CFE fleet night stops away from LCY as did the Saab 2000? If they are serious about taking the flybe market then a night stopper is a good bet.

[BAladdy]

BACF will launch a 3 x weekly scheduled service from EDI to IBZ starting 23rd May 2014 with flights running through until 7th September 2014

The schedule is less than appealing though

BA8890 EDI 22:35 IBZ 02:35 E90 357
BA8991 IBZ 03:35 EDI 05:40 E90 146

Flights are available to book through ba.com and will offer both Euro Traveller and Club Europe Products.

[NickBarnes]

Those are very unappealing times, remember i had a flight with Thomson from Turkey a couple of years ago with similar arrival time back to the UK and after the flight i felt like i needed another holiday, i was knackered by the time i arrived at my door.

but suppose some people might like the night flight.

[davidjohnson6]

Grandpa - you're showing your age... we're talking people going clubbing to Ibiza here. If they get tired, the coke is readily available

[cornishsimon]

Good plan if you ask me, as it will make use of an aircraft that would otherwise sit idle on the ground overnight.

I wonder if we might see the same or similar ex GLA ?


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