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[DutchBird-757]

Indeed movement flights. The aircraft need to go to EDI and are open for sale. They just happen to leave within 5 min of each other.

[BAladdy]

Are BACF having problems with their E190's?

It's just that I notice tomorrows

BA8701 EDI-LCY usually operated by a E190 is operating using a E170

BA8721 GLA-LCY usually operated by a E190 is operating using the RJ85

BA8723 GLA-LCY usually operated by a E190 is operating using Bae146 guessing from Titan.

[DutchBird-757]

No problems with the aircraft just no one to operate them. Incredibly tight on crews. Any news on the winter destinations apart from geneva again?

[32SQDN]

E190's

Is that due to crew training or not enough pilots?

[dublindispatch]

Dublin

Any chance of them giving Dublin a go from anywere? I think everyone getting tired of the EI/FR Duopoly to the uk

[Tom the Tenor]

If you are fed up of bmi in Dublin send one a day from LHR to ORK. bmi would be welcomed in Cork with open arms and with the correct timing they would do well with the connections traffic.

[dublindispatch]

Wheres Cork?

[DutchBird-757]

Due to crew trainig. Training is running at max capacity.

[spagiola]

Have the RJs all gone now?

[RJ100]

One RJ85 G-LCYB still flying. It'll be flying Sun-Wed on the GLA and NCE rotation. Not sure if it will keep flying further into July. It's crewed until the latter part of July. Depends on demand and at the moment demand for aircraft at BACF is high

[cornishsimon]

as bacf seem to be doing quite well at the moment does anyone think that the other 3 EMB190 options could be taken fairly soon ?

[DutchBird-757]

As my personal opinion I would say yes, at least before the end of the year. But again, not based on inside knowledge, just my personal opinion.

[Sweden22]

Possible new routes with BACF

Does anyone have any info on possible new routes from LCY with BACF.

Cheers

Sweden22

[BAladdy]

Originally Posted by Sweden22

Does anyone have any info on possible new routes from LCY with BACF.

There had been rumours that BACF would bring back the LCY/WAW service. However so far nothing has been announced.

BACF operation this Winter, (Info based on ba.com timetable for 3rd-9th January 2011), currently looks like this:

MONDAY to THURSDAY

E170 - AMS/LCY/ZRH/LCY/FRA/LCY/FRA (BA8450/BA8763/BA8764/ BA8734/BA8735/BA8736)
E170 - FRA/LCY/FRA/LCY/EDI/LCY/ZRH (BA8731/BA8732/BA8733/BA8716/BA8707/BA8769)
E170 - ZRH/LCY/EDI/LCY/ZRH/LCY/AMS (BA8760/BA8702/BA8715/BA8455/BA8465/ BA8457)
E170 - MAD/LCYMAD/LCY/MAD (BA8752/BA8753/BA8754/BA8755)

E190 - LCY/EDI/LCY/ZRH/LCY/EDI (BA8700/BA8703/BA8765/BA8766/BA8708)
E190 - EDI/LCY/AMS/LCY/AMS/LCY/EDI/LCY (BA8701/BA8451/BA8452/BA8453/BA8454BA8712/BA8717)
E190 - EDI/LCY/GVA/LCYEDI/LCY/ GLA (BA8711/BA8743/BA8744/BA8706/BA8705/BA8730)
E190 - GLA/LCY/GLA/LCY/GLA/LCY/GLA (BA8721/BA8722/BA8725/BA8726/BA8727/BA8728)
E190 - GLA/LCY/NCE/LCY/ZRH/LCY/EDI (BA8723/BA8475/BA8476/BA8767/BA8768/BA8718) * 1

*1 - LCY/NCE/LCY sector Operates Monday and Thursday. Aircraft operate LCY/BCN/LCY instead od NCE on a Tuesday. On Wednesday flight arrives from GLA at 09:25 and does not depart for ZRH until 15:50

FRIDAY

E170 - AMS/LCY/ZRH/LCY/FRA/LCY/FRA (BA8450/BA8763/BA8764/ BA8734/BA8735/BA8736)
E170 - FRA/LCY/EDI/LCY/ZRH (/BA8733/BA8716/BA8707/BA8769)
E170 - ZRH/LCY/EDI/LCY/ZRH/LCY/AMS (BA8760/BA8702/BA8715/BA8455/BA8465/ BA8457)
E170 - MAD/LCY/MAD (BA8754/BA8755)

E190 - LCY/BCN/LCY/ZRH/LCY/EDI (BA8471/BA8472 /BA8765/BA8766/BA8708)
E190 - EDI/LCY/AMS/LCY/AMS/LCY/EDI/LCY (BA8701/BA8451/BA8452/BA8453/BA8454BA8712/BA8717)
E190 - EDI/LCY/GVA/LCYEDI/LCY/ GLA (BA8711/BA8743/BA8744/BA8706/BA8705/BA8730)
E190 - GLA/LCY/GLA/LCY/GLA (BA8725/BA8726/BA8727/BA8728)
E190 - GLA/LCY/NCE/LCY/ZRH/LCY/EDI (BA8723/BA8475/BA8476/BA8767/BA8768/BA8718)

SATURDAY

E170 - MAD/LCY/EDI (BA8752/BA8707)
E170 - ZRH/LCY (BA8760)
E190 - LCY/ZRH/LCY (BA8761/BA8762)
E190 - EDI/LCY/EDI (BA8703/BA8702)

SUNDAY

E170 - LCY/NCE/LCY/ZRH (BA8745/BA8746/BA8769/BA8760)
E170 - EDI/LCY/MAD (BA8707/BA8755)
E170 - AMS/LCY/AMS (BA8456/BA8457)
E170 - FRA/LCY/FRA (BA8735/BA8736)
E190 - LCY/GVA/LCY/GVA/LCY (BA8743/BA8744/BA8745/BA8746)
E190 - EDI/LCY/BCN/LCY/EDI (BA8701/BA8471/BA8472/BA8718)
E190 - GLA/LCY/ZRH/LCY/GLA (BA8727/BA8767/BA8768/BA8728)
E190 - EDI/LCY/EDI/LCY/EDI (BA8703/BA8712/BA8717/BA8708)
E190 - GLA/ LCY/GLA (BA8729/BA8730)

At the moment it looks as if BACF plan to use all 5 E190's (G-LCYN due in service 22NOV10). However they are only using 4 of there 6 E170's.

Back when BACF announced that they were replacing there fleet of RJ85/RJ100 with E170/E190's they said that expected improved performace of the E-Jets compared to the RJ's would mean that there would be no need for one aircraft to be used as a stby aircraft. If that is true I would expect BACF to announce either new routes (possibly seasonal) or increased frequencies on existing routes.

Do BACF currently have spare slots at LCY for this Winter?

[BAladdy]

Originally Posted by GLAGAZ

All GLA flights on the E190? Must be doing well.

Gaz

The loads on the route have never been great but they have improved year on year. The yields however have always been good. This is because the the majority of pax who travel on the route travel on business and tend to buy flexible or semi flexible tickets. On the GLA/LCY route, during peak travel times it is not unusual for over 90% of pax traveling to have payed more than £350 rtn for there tickets. Demand is much higher for seats on the the first two flights ex GLA and the last two flights ex LCY making the E190 a good choice of aircraft for those flights. The first two flights ex LCY and last two ex GLA would be operated by a E170. BACF struggle to fill half of the seats on these flights and the ones they do fill are usually with pax traveling on the lower priced fares.

I think there would be a huge improvement in loads if the current GLA schedule was altered slightly and a additional afternoon flight from LCY and evening flight from GLA was added. The additional flight at that time of day would make the route instantly more appealing to those pax who want to travel to GLA on business and back in one day.

Having the E190 flying from GLA has enabled BACF to successfully tender to operate charter flights from GLA to AGP, ALC, BCN, FAO and PMI on behalf of a number of tour operators that include Thomson and Barrhead travel this summer.

It already looks as if BACF will in 2011 continue to operate charter services from GLA. According to the first editions of Thomas Cook and Thomson Holidays summer 2011 brochures , BACF will be operating the following charter flight from GLA next summer.

At present, BACF are expected during Summer 2011 to operate on:

Friday's - GLA-PMI-GLA (16MAY11-29JUL11) and GLA-MAH-GLA (06MAY11-21OCT11)

Saturday's - GLA-ALC-GLA (14MAY11-21SEP11)

Sunday's - GLA-AGP-GLA (01MAY11-23OCT11) and GLA-FAO-GLA (01MAY11-31JUL11)

With more expected to be added in late 2010 from GLA and EDI.

[Sweden22]

Thanks for that info..........

[Skipness One Echo]

BA are happy to punt the Glasgow London market out of Heathrow going forward, this was I believe the main reason for the surprise resumption of the historically loss making GLA-LCY.

The frequency of the Shuttle has fallen from a high of 14 daily to the present freqeuncies to allow for more long haul growth at LHR as this is where the money is made. Not wanting to lose long haul feed but keen to lose frequency means BA brought back LCY.

[WHBM]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo

BA are happy to punt the Glasgow London market out of Heathrow going forward, this was I believe the main reason for the surprise resumption of the historically loss making GLA-LCY.

The frequency of the Shuttle has fallen from a high of 14 daily to the present freqeuncies to allow for more long haul growth at LHR as this is where the money is made. Not wanting to lose long haul feed but keen to lose frequency means BA brought back LCY.

This very interesting graph of pasenger figures on London-Glasgow overall appeared a couple of days ago

http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...ml#post5777663

It shows that LCY has done much better from Glasgow under BA than previously (under Scot with Do328s), in an overall declining city-pair market.

[DutchBird-757]

The first two flights ex LCY and last two ex GLA would be operated by a E170. BACF struggle to fill half of the seats on these flights

Well, not entirely true. BOTH ex LCY and GLA, as you mentioned, all left full or with a hand full of spare seats on an E190.

[Sweden22]

I have just been offered a flight attendant training course with BACF at LCY.
Dates are to be confirmed but it looks like mid august, is this due to expansion does anyone know or just internal demand?

Cheers