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Possibly most siginificant pair of announcements in the space of 24 hours for the expansion of MAN services for the past two decades?
I believe we could be talking of at least 1.5 million additional seats on offer ex-MAN by 2010 when both airlines operations are combined.
Don't forget if it's "only" 5 based A319s by U2 by 2010, there is plenty of potential for them to add MAN from their other bases.
I believe we could be talking of at least 1.5 million additional seats on offer ex-MAN by 2010 when both airlines operations are combined.
Don't forget if it's "only" 5 based A319s by U2 by 2010, there is plenty of potential for them to add MAN from their other bases.
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Just on a side not, it also quite possible that EZY will keep atleast one A320 in the long term at MAN especially if they decide to continue with TFS and PFO. The A319 has not got the legs to do these sectors and MAN crews are not due to be trained on the 319 anytime soon.
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easyJet - Must admit that I was expecting a couple more based aircraft, however as has been said there is nothing to stop the introduction of services from overseas bases such as GVA/MAD/MXP + ??
Ryanair - Yes, BRE is a possibility plus another continental based destination. If you look at the wording of the MEN announcement you will see that they talk of FR doubling their operation. Remind me if I'm wrong, but that only relates to an additional 5 flights per day - which I would not classify as being a massive expansion.
As Suzeman says, each airline will be aware of the slots being held by their competitors after the slot conference and so we will have to see what is announced tomorrow.
Ryanair - Yes, BRE is a possibility plus another continental based destination. If you look at the wording of the MEN announcement you will see that they talk of FR doubling their operation. Remind me if I'm wrong, but that only relates to an additional 5 flights per day - which I would not classify as being a massive expansion.
As Suzeman says, each airline will be aware of the slots being held by their competitors after the slot conference and so we will have to see what is announced tomorrow.
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Easyjet/ryanair
I guess all the people who are moaning about such
developments at Manchester will be the ones
travelling on the BA shuttles to catch flights from
London.Manchester can only support a certain
number of long-hauls as has been proved over the
years - get this in your heads and come to terms
with it.
It never ceases to amaze how small minded some
northern people continue to be!
Any growth is better than stagnation when you
are running a business.
I didnt realise that the monopolies these two
airlines have at Liverpool has led them to charge
astronomical fares which at the last look seem
to have been paid by people in increasing
numbers.........or am I not able to follow the
logic.
To the unhappy people:Take your sad chips
with you when you leave the building.......
Ive been banging peoples heads against the brick wall
about such things for years and they still use the same
arguments.......even though all im pummelling with now
seems to be bone dust.
Manchester should welcome Easyjet and Ryanair with
open arms..........its what the travelling people want as
has been proved up and down the country/Europe.
MM
developments at Manchester will be the ones
travelling on the BA shuttles to catch flights from
London.Manchester can only support a certain
number of long-hauls as has been proved over the
years - get this in your heads and come to terms
with it.
It never ceases to amaze how small minded some
northern people continue to be!
Any growth is better than stagnation when you
are running a business.
I didnt realise that the monopolies these two
airlines have at Liverpool has led them to charge
astronomical fares which at the last look seem
to have been paid by people in increasing
numbers.........or am I not able to follow the
logic.
To the unhappy people:Take your sad chips
with you when you leave the building.......
Ive been banging peoples heads against the brick wall
about such things for years and they still use the same
arguments.......even though all im pummelling with now
seems to be bone dust.
Manchester should welcome Easyjet and Ryanair with
open arms..........its what the travelling people want as
has been proved up and down the country/Europe.
MM
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Do you think Jet2 have been sitting on the fence because they knew something was going to happen and know they cannot match the likes of Easy and Ryanair- debate!
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The problem with the Easy/Ryanair expansion is that there are many people who dont want to fly with them. We need choice not just these two. I would rather go fly through somewhere else than fly Ryaniar. Just my choice.
Its not as good as many people might think.
Its not as good as many people might think.
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How about FR going twice daily to MAD and REALLY ruining the show for EZY?
Can't wait for tomorrow and the FR announcement really has come out of the blue! If there are to be meetings in both cities then maybe we will see a massive increase at both bases! MAN is certainly starting to play with it's power but it is also good to see that FR and EZY are still recognsing LPL as a very well organised and most importantly, a profitable airport.
Its only a matter of time before MAN returns to it's number 3 spot.
With more flights in S08 and hopefully more long haul by S09, LGW better what out in 2010!
MAN is back on the pull and nobody is going to stop them! Surely not...
Can't wait for tomorrow and the FR announcement really has come out of the blue! If there are to be meetings in both cities then maybe we will see a massive increase at both bases! MAN is certainly starting to play with it's power but it is also good to see that FR and EZY are still recognsing LPL as a very well organised and most importantly, a profitable airport.
Its only a matter of time before MAN returns to it's number 3 spot.
With more flights in S08 and hopefully more long haul by S09, LGW better what out in 2010!
MAN is back on the pull and nobody is going to stop them! Surely not...
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Well said mickeyman.
The desire not to embrace LCCs at MAN in the early years has been one of the main reasons that forecasts have not been realised.
What MA needs - and has at last got by the look of it - is a good balance of all types of traffic to cater for all the different types of business - legacy scheduled, long haul and ITs as well as LCCs. And the LCCs now coming in are the two biggest brand leaders that everyone in the UK will have heard of.
There will undoubtedly be casualties - there always have been even before LCCs were invented. And the next set will depend on the EZY/FR destinations. But there will always be a space at MAN for some of the legacy carriers in Europe, especially those with good hubs like KL,AF and LH.
As far as Long Haul carriers are concerned, this will always be difficult. London and particularly LHR have incredibly strong F and J demand - mainly because of the financial industry- yes all those bankers.
Alliances mean that long haul pax can be attracted to the larger European hubs to connect. There are economies of scale here for the Long Haul boys.
Those airlines that do look at MAN are often trying to compare yields from MAN with those of London. And then there is quite often a bilateral issue with MAN routes which is not the case with London or other destinations where the airline may be looking at sending that aircraft. So why bother with all the hassle? And when they do manage to jump all these hurdles, sometimes the demand does not materialise.
So to pin any growth on Long Haul and Legacy Carriers only would be foolish indeed. Sorry chaps and chapesses, but the civic pride in attracting long haul flights does not pay the bills.
So let's be thankful that some growth now looks possible again and the business risk is spread across all types of pax traffic as well as the burgeoning freight sector - a recent success story that doesn't receive the attention it deserves. Other airports in the region don't have the luxury of such a spread and if the low cost bubble burst ......
Suzeman
The desire not to embrace LCCs at MAN in the early years has been one of the main reasons that forecasts have not been realised.
What MA needs - and has at last got by the look of it - is a good balance of all types of traffic to cater for all the different types of business - legacy scheduled, long haul and ITs as well as LCCs. And the LCCs now coming in are the two biggest brand leaders that everyone in the UK will have heard of.
There will undoubtedly be casualties - there always have been even before LCCs were invented. And the next set will depend on the EZY/FR destinations. But there will always be a space at MAN for some of the legacy carriers in Europe, especially those with good hubs like KL,AF and LH.
As far as Long Haul carriers are concerned, this will always be difficult. London and particularly LHR have incredibly strong F and J demand - mainly because of the financial industry- yes all those bankers.
Alliances mean that long haul pax can be attracted to the larger European hubs to connect. There are economies of scale here for the Long Haul boys.
Those airlines that do look at MAN are often trying to compare yields from MAN with those of London. And then there is quite often a bilateral issue with MAN routes which is not the case with London or other destinations where the airline may be looking at sending that aircraft. So why bother with all the hassle? And when they do manage to jump all these hurdles, sometimes the demand does not materialise.
So to pin any growth on Long Haul and Legacy Carriers only would be foolish indeed. Sorry chaps and chapesses, but the civic pride in attracting long haul flights does not pay the bills.
So let's be thankful that some growth now looks possible again and the business risk is spread across all types of pax traffic as well as the burgeoning freight sector - a recent success story that doesn't receive the attention it deserves. Other airports in the region don't have the luxury of such a spread and if the low cost bubble burst ......
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Absolutely. Shot haul travel is changing and it's changing in the LCC's favour. As already said, legacy carriers short haul are great for connecting into their hubs and the likes of AF, KL and LH will survive.
As for chasing long haul, MAN aren't exactly languishing behind are they? SQ, EK, EY, QR, PK, US, AA, DL, CO, VS, BD even BA get in on the act.
As for chasing long haul, MAN aren't exactly languishing behind are they? SQ, EK, EY, QR, PK, US, AA, DL, CO, VS, BD even BA get in on the act.
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From the M.E.N website
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RYANAIR was the latest budget airline to unveil major expansion plans at Manchester Airport when it announced services to the cities of Milan, Marseille, Girona in Spain and Bremen in Germany would start next year.
The Irish carrier will operate a total of 12 services a week to those destinations initially.
It hopes to add four more Manchester routes by June and a further four by summer 2009.
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RYANAIR was the latest budget airline to unveil major expansion plans at Manchester Airport when it announced services to the cities of Milan, Marseille, Girona in Spain and Bremen in Germany would start next year.
The Irish carrier will operate a total of 12 services a week to those destinations initially.
It hopes to add four more Manchester routes by June and a further four by summer 2009.
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Start dates:
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From Manchester To
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Milan (Orio al Serio) 10 Apr 08
Bremen 01 Apr 08
Barcelona (Girona) 02 Apr 08
Marseille Provence MP2 02 Apr 08
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Stoney
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From Manchester To
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Milan (Orio al Serio) 10 Apr 08
Bremen 01 Apr 08
Barcelona (Girona) 02 Apr 08
Marseille Provence MP2 02 Apr 08
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Ryanair
From a quick look Ryanair will operate the following
Girona 4x week arr 1925 dep 1950 MWFSu
Breman 3x week arr 1855 dep 1920 TuThSa
Marseille 2x week arr 1410 dep 1445 WSu
Milan Bergamo 3x week arr 2020 dep 2035 TuThSa
so 15 extra flights a week
Andrew
Girona 4x week arr 1925 dep 1950 MWFSu
Breman 3x week arr 1855 dep 1920 TuThSa
Marseille 2x week arr 1410 dep 1445 WSu
Milan Bergamo 3x week arr 2020 dep 2035 TuThSa
so 15 extra flights a week
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TOM
TOM flights to TEL Avia for summer now on sale. 3 flights a week.
CSA were retiming and adding an extra flight to make it twice daily. Have heard nothing of them going 3 Daily.
Does anyone know if THY are to increase flights to IST to 10 a week as reported ealier
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CSA were retiming and adding an extra flight to make it twice daily. Have heard nothing of them going 3 Daily.
Does anyone know if THY are to increase flights to IST to 10 a week as reported ealier
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