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Yeah, the MA Board welcomed WW and LS in under Mr Spooner's stewardship, and things have changed since then.
What did WW/LS do anyway? Undercut and stuffed the legacy carriers, hung around for a bit, then lost interest, damaging their and MA's reputations in the process.
Locos are parasites: they'll strip what they can profit-wise from an airport or route, then leave it for dead, just like they'll be doing to LPL when (if) they move to MAN.
Just like Virgin Money will do to Northern Rock. They'll asset-strip while it's down, and when the share price is back up, Branson and his cronies will make millions, at the expense of NR shareholders and the taxpayer.
Why do people go all gooey-eyed over parasitical companies like EZY/FR/Virgin just because they spend a lot on promoting their brand? They're no better than any other company, in that their sole purpose is to make money for their shareholders. They're just better at self-promotion and conning the public and the industry.
What did WW/LS do anyway? Undercut and stuffed the legacy carriers, hung around for a bit, then lost interest, damaging their and MA's reputations in the process.
Locos are parasites: they'll strip what they can profit-wise from an airport or route, then leave it for dead, just like they'll be doing to LPL when (if) they move to MAN.
Just like Virgin Money will do to Northern Rock. They'll asset-strip while it's down, and when the share price is back up, Branson and his cronies will make millions, at the expense of NR shareholders and the taxpayer.
Why do people go all gooey-eyed over parasitical companies like EZY/FR/Virgin just because they spend a lot on promoting their brand? They're no better than any other company, in that their sole purpose is to make money for their shareholders. They're just better at self-promotion and conning the public and the industry.
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Momentary Lapse you are absolutly correct!!
EZY/FR etc are exactly the same as there competitors like BA, BMI, in which they offer point to point air travel. easyjet offer low prices and the service is reflected. (Still a good service, but you get what you pay for!) the British Airways Brand offers a more refined service and gives you things you might not want, and thus wastes heaps of cash. and the price you pay for your airfare is reflected. That my friend is business, and unfortunatly LoCo's are very good at it, so if Manchester has ANY sense it will allow them into the airport to help generate revenue, allow for expansion and then have the best of both worlds, the money from the loco's and the available slots for the Big Long Haul Carriers! Business is business. feeling sorry for an airport shouldn't come into it!
Don't hate the player!! Hate the Game!!!
Why do people go all gooey-eyed over parasitical companies like EZY/FR/Virgin just because they spend a lot on promoting their brand? They're no better than any other company, in that their sole purpose is to make money for their shareholders. They're just better at self-promotion and conning the public and the industry.
Don't hate the player!! Hate the Game!!!
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Very interesting indeed..... maybe all the "anti-Easy at Manchester" folk will get their Christmas wish after all 
I personally hope Maplc don't squander this chance. For MAN to be left with the current loco's to run a decent European network would be bad news as their commitment is evidently on the downturn (WW and LS especially) as are the number of routes they are operating.
I personally hope Maplc don't squander this chance. For MAN to be left with the current loco's to run a decent European network would be bad news as their commitment is evidently on the downturn (WW and LS especially) as are the number of routes they are operating.
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EZY would want a substantial reduction in landing fees and associated costs...if MAPLC grant that request,just imagine the reaction from the established carriers paying inflated fees.....MAPLC is in a difficult position....major carriers deserted,only expansion from lo-cost operators and the associated lo-revenue generated.I feel manchester is rapidly becoming a larege scale john lennon operation...just look at T3 ......like a mizzen hut check-in hall and a departure lounge that resembles a working mens club after a members only cheap beer extravaganza........cannot imagine these scenes being enacted under gill thomsons' leadership !
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I totally believe, as an employee of easyJet, that they will do the right thing. Manchester Airport need to 'wake-up' to what's happening out there. It's all about money, & both-ways, easyJet & Manchester Airport could make alot of money out of this. Once again, despite easyJets appearance as a 'Lo-co' they really are a good step-up from ryanair & I would say, a very slight step-down from british airways (I should know, I worked for them for over 5 years!) but look at the progress we have made as a company over the last few years. I for one am very proud to work for easyJet & whether it be manchester, liverpool or anywhere else for that matter, I totally believe there is a place for them in todays market. easyJet will put manchester airport firmly on the map for all to see, even worldwide, they even get 'airline' in the U.S.A. & I believe another 13 countries. publicity is publicity? the futures bright guys, the futures orange!
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Ah, SuperStewardess, BJ999 (if he's real) and others: loads of low-post-count people suddenly slithering out of the woodwork to promote EZY at MAN... does this prove my point about co-ordinated brand management?
It's all orchestrated, folks.
And another example of how airlines are in this game for their own ends and no-one else's: EZY wooed LPL with an exclusivity agreement, and as soon as it suited them to negotiate out of it, they did. Is anyone confident they won't shaft MAN in the future? And didn't they do it to LTN as well? When the fee agreement ended a few years ago they upped sticks and moved to STN.
As I've said before, has anyone asked the passengers what they want? No-one here has mentioned them, have they? Do they really want loco airlines starting new routes, killing their rival airlines' routes, then pulling out again just as quick? Do they really want the airport chasing after these airlines instead of focussing on getting the basics right?
I bet the pax would just like some reliability from the airlines, and some decent customer service from the airport, above all else.
I wish MAPLC would focus on looking after the pax they've got instead of chasing dreams of growth all the time.
It's all orchestrated, folks.
And another example of how airlines are in this game for their own ends and no-one else's: EZY wooed LPL with an exclusivity agreement, and as soon as it suited them to negotiate out of it, they did. Is anyone confident they won't shaft MAN in the future? And didn't they do it to LTN as well? When the fee agreement ended a few years ago they upped sticks and moved to STN.
As I've said before, has anyone asked the passengers what they want? No-one here has mentioned them, have they? Do they really want loco airlines starting new routes, killing their rival airlines' routes, then pulling out again just as quick? Do they really want the airport chasing after these airlines instead of focussing on getting the basics right?
I bet the pax would just like some reliability from the airlines, and some decent customer service from the airport, above all else.
I wish MAPLC would focus on looking after the pax they've got instead of chasing dreams of growth all the time.
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Thank you for the confirmation.
I know that your reply will have surprised many on the Forum but I was not as you will have gathered from my original post.
I have to say that I have mixed feelings about them possibly coming to MAN.
MAN needs someone to give it a boost thats for certain, but not necessarily so as to purely grab back PAX from LPL or anywhere else come to that.
The existing LCCs or Leisure carriers aren't going to be able to do that. EZY have all the right ingredients to do it to the benefit of MAN and wider afield if they are so inclined. They are known throughout Europe as are FR and although people like to hate them they still use them .
It does concern me that like elsewhere they could become too dominant and if they did it could be Bad for MAN in the long run. This is beginning to happen at LGW. The legacy carriers want to be at LHR. So far many have been prevented,that has now changed and they are now leaving LGW for LHR BA will go the same way in time leaving it to the likes of EZY and a few others.
On balance I would like EZY and perhaps FR to come because I can't see MAN getting more PAX as things are at present in fact I think the decline will continue and the legacy carriers which are left are likely to leave if things don't change.
There are many reason why MAN is in the position they now are. Some were in its own hands others not, what is clear is that something good needs to happen and soon otherwise it will only get worse. EZY maybe what it needs now so as to turn the tide, but I also think it needs to look at its wider business interests as well.
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Thank you for the confirmation.
I know that your reply will have surprised many on the Forum but I was not as you will have gathered from my original post.
I have to say that I have mixed feelings about them possibly coming to MAN.
MAN needs someone to give it a boost thats for certain, but not necessarily so as to purely grab back PAX from LPL or anywhere else come to that.
The existing LCCs or Leisure carriers aren't going to be able to do that. EZY have all the right ingredients to do it to the benefit of MAN and wider afield if they are so inclined. They are known throughout Europe as are FR and although people like to hate them they still use them .
It does concern me that like elsewhere they could become too dominant and if they did it could be Bad for MAN in the long run. This is beginning to happen at LGW. The legacy carriers want to be at LHR. So far many have been prevented,that has now changed and they are now leaving LGW for LHR BA will go the same way in time leaving it to the likes of EZY and a few others.
On balance I would like EZY and perhaps FR to come because I can't see MAN getting more PAX as things are at present in fact I think the decline will continue and the legacy carriers which are left are likely to leave if things don't change.
There are many reason why MAN is in the position they now are. Some were in its own hands others not, what is clear is that something good needs to happen and soon otherwise it will only get worse. EZY maybe what it needs now so as to turn the tide, but I also think it needs to look at its wider business interests as well.
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A few things i would like to point out........
Someone mentioned T3 looking like a working mens club with beer drinkers. Wake up call, airports like MAN have always had lots of passengers who like a drink only now these pax tend to be travelling scheduled rather than charter.
Easyjet also carries some well healed pax. Second home owners for instance who is a target audience for EZY and others. Someone once said....take a look at LTN long stay car park, full of mercs and bmw's. Speaks volumes doesn't it.
Liverpool hasn't been shafted. They will continue to see expansion and this will be reiterated soon enough. Also, remember that LPL didn't keep their side of the contract when allowing FR to expand.
Someone mentioned T3 looking like a working mens club with beer drinkers. Wake up call, airports like MAN have always had lots of passengers who like a drink only now these pax tend to be travelling scheduled rather than charter.
Easyjet also carries some well healed pax. Second home owners for instance who is a target audience for EZY and others. Someone once said....take a look at LTN long stay car park, full of mercs and bmw's. Speaks volumes doesn't it.
Liverpool hasn't been shafted. They will continue to see expansion and this will be reiterated soon enough. Also, remember that LPL didn't keep their side of the contract when allowing FR to expand.
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Selective memory can be a dangerous thing.........
Can anyone tell me what is wrong with having Easyjet
at ones local airport??
All these people who are not liking the idea are way
behind with the times.
Lo-co airlines have now been around and established
for many years because...................PEOPLE fly with
them whether YOU like it or not.
Old aviator SNOB arguments have been blown out of the
sky by facts........
I would rather see tarmac filled with Orange than be bare
and under-used.
People are forgetting that MAplc are investing in retail
space at the moment.........so more people using the
terminals means more sales.
Or are we only interested in champagne sipping la-de-da's??
who we can aspire to be like.
If Easyjet do turn up at Manchester just think of all the
terrible people we will have to put up with passing
through the terminals.........or you could get a life!!
This is a business at the end of the day and like a shop -
the more people through the door the more sales
potential there is.
I wish that all the people who are negative/against this
airline have super hols in future via the London airport
with an airline that really cares for its passengers.
It is a matter of choice and price for the majority of
travellers and thats the way it should be.
I have not read anything that bad about Easyjet at
Gatwick and I expect that all the staff like having
a job against the alternative........
MAplc should look to Gatwick to see the blueprint.
MM
Can anyone tell me what is wrong with having Easyjet
at ones local airport??
All these people who are not liking the idea are way
behind with the times.
Lo-co airlines have now been around and established
for many years because...................PEOPLE fly with
them whether YOU like it or not.
Old aviator SNOB arguments have been blown out of the
sky by facts........
I would rather see tarmac filled with Orange than be bare
and under-used.
People are forgetting that MAplc are investing in retail
space at the moment.........so more people using the
terminals means more sales.
Or are we only interested in champagne sipping la-de-da's??
who we can aspire to be like.
If Easyjet do turn up at Manchester just think of all the
terrible people we will have to put up with passing
through the terminals.........or you could get a life!!
This is a business at the end of the day and like a shop -
the more people through the door the more sales
potential there is.
I wish that all the people who are negative/against this
airline have super hols in future via the London airport
with an airline that really cares for its passengers.
It is a matter of choice and price for the majority of
travellers and thats the way it should be.
I have not read anything that bad about Easyjet at
Gatwick and I expect that all the staff like having
a job against the alternative........
MAplc should look to Gatwick to see the blueprint.
MM
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I very much doubt EZY would put the competition out of business and move away from MAN as there is a greater catchement area available in MAN that you can't get to from LPL. I can understand that MAN may worry they might become a northern LGW if EZY grow and find themselves very reliant on them. But I guess that has to be better than fading away into the night!
Also (maybe I am biased as I work for EZY) but LPL haven't helped things. They have stopped EZY growing at LPL while allowing FR to become dominant. Now there isn't much more room to expand there. The growth needs to come from somewhere else. Could well be MAN if its all planned correctly. EZY won't leave LPL. It works to well.
Momentary Lapse, who's rattled your cage?!?!? EZY didn't / hasn't pulled out of LTN at all. Its a large dual base and as far as i know no intentions of it being anything else.
I can't think of one airport where we went in, set up shop, pushed out the little guys and moved to somewhere else for a better deal. If you can push people out and create room why not expand into the vacant space and make more money!
EZY will hopefully bring passengers, reliability and growth to MAN. Got to be good. I think this will be a good deal for both sides. This is not propaganda either. Maybe you hear good things because people like the company and enjoy working / travelling with it. Its not part of some carefully spun web!!!
However I did hear that an EZY319 was seen flying low over a tunnel in Paris flashing its landing lights shortly before a well documented car crash....................................................... .............................!!!!
Also (maybe I am biased as I work for EZY) but LPL haven't helped things. They have stopped EZY growing at LPL while allowing FR to become dominant. Now there isn't much more room to expand there. The growth needs to come from somewhere else. Could well be MAN if its all planned correctly. EZY won't leave LPL. It works to well.
Momentary Lapse, who's rattled your cage?!?!? EZY didn't / hasn't pulled out of LTN at all. Its a large dual base and as far as i know no intentions of it being anything else.
I can't think of one airport where we went in, set up shop, pushed out the little guys and moved to somewhere else for a better deal. If you can push people out and create room why not expand into the vacant space and make more money!
EZY will hopefully bring passengers, reliability and growth to MAN. Got to be good. I think this will be a good deal for both sides. This is not propaganda either. Maybe you hear good things because people like the company and enjoy working / travelling with it. Its not part of some carefully spun web!!!
However I did hear that an EZY319 was seen flying low over a tunnel in Paris flashing its landing lights shortly before a well documented car crash....................................................... .............................!!!!
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EZY is as much a businessman's airline as a holiday airline. Their original flights were LTN to EDI and GLA, not to Med. sunshine destinations. Go to LTN and you will see hordes of suits coming and going off EZY flights, not just holidaymakers or second-home owners. The days when the likes of BA could automatically count on the allegiance of UK PLC are long gone. If a company can save a packet of money off its business travel expenses, it will send its employees EZY. If you check out EZY schedules, they reflect the demands of the business market. In that respect, EZY is a different animal from FR.
Conclusion: EZY would be good for MAN (if it happens).
Conclusion: EZY would be good for MAN (if it happens).
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In September TOM said they would be releasing more summer flights. Nothing so far. However some of the flights they advertised for S08 in September from MAN have now gone or reduced. LIS has definately gone. Any one know what might be happening.
Also anyone know when WW will announce their new Destinations From MAN. Could they be waiting for The EZY decision before committing.
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Also anyone know when WW will announce their new Destinations From MAN. Could they be waiting for The EZY decision before committing.
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SIA plans expansion
Singapore Airlines will begin A380 service into Heathrow on 8th February 2008 and are talking to MAN about being the 1st Alternate. No plans to introduce A380 on regular services to MAN in the foreseeable future but SQ327/328 likely to be upgraded to the 3-class B777-300ER next year. Currently selling out the daily 285-seat B777-200ER.