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DO people honestly believe that that MAN's management teams are not doing their best to get more passenger routes? For all we know, they are spending thousands of pounds trying to impress airlines to come here but if the airlines aren't willing to come, then it's not MAN's fault!
Not forgetting that each alliance does not seem to be advocating more spoke-hub flying from the regions; specifically for oneworld, would you trust BA to act in MAN's (read North of England) interests should any other member of that alliance want to start service here given their past record of objecting whenever possible and route everyone on the shuttle?
The advent of the 787/A350 may enable some former long-haul routes to be restarted (even if not with the original airline but a subsidiary!). Most of the Euro routes I'd love to see started would be better off operating with 100 seaters - the 737 with 148 seats (or A319 with 156 seats) may be a tad too big so airlines have to price the tickets too low for initial sales.
For Flybe, I think the best we can hope for is for some route stabilisation with slight tinkering over the next year with a view to having moderate expansion from 2009 onwards.
Not forgetting that each alliance does not seem to be advocating more spoke-hub flying from the regions; specifically for oneworld, would you trust BA to act in MAN's (read North of England) interests should any other member of that alliance want to start service here given their past record of objecting whenever possible and route everyone on the shuttle?
The advent of the 787/A350 may enable some former long-haul routes to be restarted (even if not with the original airline but a subsidiary!). Most of the Euro routes I'd love to see started would be better off operating with 100 seaters - the 737 with 148 seats (or A319 with 156 seats) may be a tad too big so airlines have to price the tickets too low for initial sales.
For Flybe, I think the best we can hope for is for some route stabilisation with slight tinkering over the next year with a view to having moderate expansion from 2009 onwards.
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Ok here's 3 logical European 50 - 100 seat choices for MAN
Iberia daily MAD with Air Nostrum CRJ series
Austrian daily VIE with Fokker 70 or Fokker 100
Air Berlin 4x weekly TXL with Fokker 100 (moving up to 319 or 73G as route develops)
Ok its just a wish list at present but rumours on here suggest two of the above may just happen?!
Iberia daily MAD with Air Nostrum CRJ series
Austrian daily VIE with Fokker 70 or Fokker 100
Air Berlin 4x weekly TXL with Fokker 100 (moving up to 319 or 73G as route develops)
Ok its just a wish list at present but rumours on here suggest two of the above may just happen?!
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Man Guy.....I too flew the Madrid route when Ba and Bacon were operating it 4 times over the past 2 years...the last being on an Embraer 145 Outbound and a Bae146 Inbound on the same day at the beginning of March last year.
Both flights were full and I cannot understand why the route was dropped?? surely this route would bring in better yield passsengers rather than some French regional routes that Flybe seem to like.This would have been the ideal opportunity for Flybe to enter the Spanish market from Manchester....should have grabbed the Route with both hands.....but then again what do I know????
Ringwayman...... I hear what your saying and I agree really Manchester has been well and truly shafted by Ba time and time again...bosses should tell them if they objected to a certain carrier who applies for any route to go and take a run and jump,.....but the management of the airport must take some of the blame for this as well.....bet they thought never in a million years Ba would up sticks and just leave us with the London and New York services.Should'nt have all your eggs in one basket.........
Do you really think that waiting for the 787 and A350 will be a good thing??Sick and tired of hearing " wait until airline X gets 787/A350 they they will consider a 3/4 times a week service because they cannot fill a 747 etc" how many times have we heard the rumour of Thai,Northwest,Air New Zealand to name a few ....... I will believe it when I see it and I may have to wait a long time!
Both flights were full and I cannot understand why the route was dropped?? surely this route would bring in better yield passsengers rather than some French regional routes that Flybe seem to like.This would have been the ideal opportunity for Flybe to enter the Spanish market from Manchester....should have grabbed the Route with both hands.....but then again what do I know????
Ringwayman...... I hear what your saying and I agree really Manchester has been well and truly shafted by Ba time and time again...bosses should tell them if they objected to a certain carrier who applies for any route to go and take a run and jump,.....but the management of the airport must take some of the blame for this as well.....bet they thought never in a million years Ba would up sticks and just leave us with the London and New York services.Should'nt have all your eggs in one basket.........
Do you really think that waiting for the 787 and A350 will be a good thing??Sick and tired of hearing " wait until airline X gets 787/A350 they they will consider a 3/4 times a week service because they cannot fill a 747 etc" how many times have we heard the rumour of Thai,Northwest,Air New Zealand to name a few ....... I will believe it when I see it and I may have to wait a long time!
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Air New Zealand appear to be maxed out in terms of spare aircraft - some conjecture is for 2009 when they should have some more aircraft in their fleet. My understanding from other forums is that they may be interested in extending 1 out of 3 services that they currently operate: Shanghai, Vancouver and Los Angeles. From those, I'd think Los Angeles would be the favourite.
Northwest will hopefully be announcing the next batch of expansion using 757s (this is probably going to be tied in with sorting out the crewing problems they experienced this year).
The only decent prospect for a 787/A350 insprired route will be that to Sydney by Jetstar - we should have them by 2010 at the latest. Whether they'll be picking scraps from other airlines looking to consolidate/improve thier own operations over the next 2 years remains to be seen.
Northwest will hopefully be announcing the next batch of expansion using 757s (this is probably going to be tied in with sorting out the crewing problems they experienced this year).
The only decent prospect for a 787/A350 insprired route will be that to Sydney by Jetstar - we should have them by 2010 at the latest. Whether they'll be picking scraps from other airlines looking to consolidate/improve thier own operations over the next 2 years remains to be seen.
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GLENO - It wasn't so many years ago that BA were anticipating and planning that their passengers through MAN would double; shortly after T3 was completed and BA Citiexpress was in existance. I've never thought that bosses at MAN have been much to blame for anything that has happened since.
You're right about the 787/350 scenario, although the 787 has been designed specifically for places like Manchester, Boston, Glasgow, Stockholm etc.
You're right about the 787/350 scenario, although the 787 has been designed specifically for places like Manchester, Boston, Glasgow, Stockholm etc.
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Maybe if MA Plc hadn't actively set out to attract a whole host of LO-CO's to operate services in competition with BA (and the other 'legacy' carriers) they might have secured a bit more loyalty and investment in new routes. It's hard to maintain a business when your business plan is being constantly undermined by one of your key partners
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I'd be amazed if Volareweb (as it's now known post-bancruptcy) were successful on MAN-MXP for the simple reason that they'd have to do some pretty intensive advertising in the north west, being completely unknown. It's not going to be easy to fill an Airbus 320.
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The local press are reporting that flyGlobespan are closing its Liverpool and Manchester bases from the end of October.
The airline is saying that “Our Liverpool and Manchester operations have not been able to achieve the financial viability of other flyglobespan bases and, regrettably, we have had to inform our staff that they will cease to be manned bases from the end of October.
“We are extremely sad that, despite the efforts and dedication of our staff at these bases, we are unable to sustain services from these airports through winter, but we fully intend to return with a 2008 programme next spring."
The airline is saying that “Our Liverpool and Manchester operations have not been able to achieve the financial viability of other flyglobespan bases and, regrettably, we have had to inform our staff that they will cease to be manned bases from the end of October.
“We are extremely sad that, despite the efforts and dedication of our staff at these bases, we are unable to sustain services from these airports through winter, but we fully intend to return with a 2008 programme next spring."
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Not all all surprised with the Flyglobespan annoucement...............another flash in the pan for Manchetser and Liverpool......Surprised they haven't folded already!!!....am I correct in thinking that this airline has B787's on order and some more 737's??
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Volareweb will be handled by Flight Support and use T1.
Sadly, I have no idea when seats will go on sale, but first service is scheduled for 28th October.
Maybe email the airline GLEN and ask them?
Sadly, I have no idea when seats will go on sale, but first service is scheduled for 28th October.
Maybe email the airline GLEN and ask them?
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Flyglobespan
For a nice prestigious route like Cape Town, its was a pity we had a second rate carrier operating it!
Hopefully it will re-appear on departure screens again soon with a decent carrier operating it instead.......SAA would be great but not sure they would be expanding into Europe at the moment, they seem to be retracting instead.
Hopefully it will re-appear on departure screens again soon with a decent carrier operating it instead.......SAA would be great but not sure they would be expanding into Europe at the moment, they seem to be retracting instead.
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Fly Globespan have expanded far too quickly and as a result people have voted with their feet. Even if you do offer some cheap fares punters will only take so much. For example the New York service out of Liverpool was always going to be a tough one to sustain but the service has to be reliable to have any chance of surviving.
