MANCHESTER - 5
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Manchester
Posts: 939
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
We could see Air China operating scheduled passengers services from March 2009 as they have been allocated rights to a 7 weekly service to Beijing by the Chinese authorities. Perhaps we could see one of the CAA's Regional Fifth Freedom studies from a couple of years come to fruition: 3 weekly Beijing-Stockholm-Manchester by Air China.
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Noordwest
Posts: 172
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Momentary Lapse - it's doubtful that anyone contributing to pprune or any other aviation forum is going to prefer the train to flying from Wythenshawe International to Staines. Give me preposterous check-in queues and nightmare security any day!
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: BOH - UK
Posts: 209
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Everyone seems to have forgotton that August 2006 was when the UK air network ground to a halt due to the fears over a terrorist plot. London airports were badly affected and domestic services bore the brunt of cancellations. If MAN-London services are slightly down or level with last August, I wouldn't take that as anything other than confirmation that these routes are well and truly in the doldrums.
MAN-LCY looks like it grew by about 6 return tickets per day, so what's the big deal there?
MAN-LCY looks like it grew by about 6 return tickets per day, so what's the big deal there?
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: England
Posts: 223
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Having done the train to Euston, and flown to LHR, LGW and LCY, given the choice I'd do none of them and let whoever I was going to see, come to me.
Or cancel the meeting and go to the pub.
LCY is all very well if you want to be in that part of London. All that messing with the DLR is a bind.
London is a bind altogether, really.
Or cancel the meeting and go to the pub.
LCY is all very well if you want to be in that part of London. All that messing with the DLR is a bind.
London is a bind altogether, really.
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: England
Posts: 112
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
With the PITA stuff you have to deal with in UK airports these days the train is a no brainer if you have easy access to a WCML station. Not all MAN pax do.
Going back to my pet peeve - increasing LCC activity and the decline (or lack of increase at least) of full service carriers at MAN. Having just done a trip to FCO on LS, it reminded me why I dislike LCC's.
I did at least find out one interesting fact on the return leg. All the Purser's/IFS/CSM's on the 300+ flights in the last 4 years on SQ-BA-BD-TG-UA-AC-MH-NH-QF-NZ-LH-SK-KL-AF-OZ-VN-EK-KQ etc etc were all WRONG, and my specifically-bought-as-it-is-inside-gauge hand luggage is in fact too big, and needs to go in the hold.
Going back to my pet peeve - increasing LCC activity and the decline (or lack of increase at least) of full service carriers at MAN. Having just done a trip to FCO on LS, it reminded me why I dislike LCC's.
I did at least find out one interesting fact on the return leg. All the Purser's/IFS/CSM's on the 300+ flights in the last 4 years on SQ-BA-BD-TG-UA-AC-MH-NH-QF-NZ-LH-SK-KL-AF-OZ-VN-EK-KQ etc etc were all WRONG, and my specifically-bought-as-it-is-inside-gauge hand luggage is in fact too big, and needs to go in the hold.
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: NW England
Age: 51
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
MANFlyer, LS do have a smaller hand luggage size limit than everyone else. From their website:
"You are permitted one small piece of hand baggage of not more than 10kg and dimensions not in excess of 46x30x23cm (these dimensions are different to those stated on the DFT website, due to size constraints on our aircraft)."
"You are permitted one small piece of hand baggage of not more than 10kg and dimensions not in excess of 46x30x23cm (these dimensions are different to those stated on the DFT website, due to size constraints on our aircraft)."
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: MCT
Posts: 895
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
SOTV
You are being very selective with your train info. True, if you want to arrive in Euston BEFORE 0900 you must get the 0602 train which arrives at 0827. If you get the 0635 it arrives AT 0900 whilst the 0705 which only stops at Stockport arrives at 0910 - 2h 5 mins chock to chock.
I can today buy a first class open single ticket for all of these trains tomorrow for £168.50 (therefore an open return is £337) or an advance first single for £126.50 on the 0602 or £146.50 on the 0635. Same range of fares are available for a return leaving Euston between 1700-1800 tomorrow.
And I always have the option of standard class if I want to cut the costs as businesses do - an open return is £219. Advanced purchase tonight for tomorrow in standard class, using any of those trains except the 0705 ex MAN is £148.50.
With the airlines the prices for a day in London tomorrow with approx the same timings are BA £338/318, bmi £298 and VLM £265. No way of reducing these at such a late stage.
At the end of the day your choice will be dependent on your origin and destination and other personal choices, but if I am going to London, I would take the train any day - once you are on it you can do what you want - get up, walk around, work, read, sleep, watch the world go by. Oh - and you don't have to worry about the size of your handbaggage or what is in it..
But ML had the best solution - make them come to you for a change cos going to London is a bind.
Grump over - off for me tea.
Suzeman
You are being very selective with your train info. True, if you want to arrive in Euston BEFORE 0900 you must get the 0602 train which arrives at 0827. If you get the 0635 it arrives AT 0900 whilst the 0705 which only stops at Stockport arrives at 0910 - 2h 5 mins chock to chock.
I can today buy a first class open single ticket for all of these trains tomorrow for £168.50 (therefore an open return is £337) or an advance first single for £126.50 on the 0602 or £146.50 on the 0635. Same range of fares are available for a return leaving Euston between 1700-1800 tomorrow.
And I always have the option of standard class if I want to cut the costs as businesses do - an open return is £219. Advanced purchase tonight for tomorrow in standard class, using any of those trains except the 0705 ex MAN is £148.50.
With the airlines the prices for a day in London tomorrow with approx the same timings are BA £338/318, bmi £298 and VLM £265. No way of reducing these at such a late stage.
At the end of the day your choice will be dependent on your origin and destination and other personal choices, but if I am going to London, I would take the train any day - once you are on it you can do what you want - get up, walk around, work, read, sleep, watch the world go by. Oh - and you don't have to worry about the size of your handbaggage or what is in it..
But ML had the best solution - make them come to you for a change cos going to London is a bind.
Grump over - off for me tea.
Suzeman
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Europe
Posts: 2,175
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
MAN-CGN by TUIFly now released for summer 08. After some rumours about a reduction of the route it is to remain at 6x/weekly.
Mondays and Tuesdays now morning departures.
Mondays and Tuesdays now morning departures.
Last edited by virginblue; 19th Sep 2007 at 13:11.
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Manchester
Posts: 135
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
TUIFly -Summer 2008
VirginBlue
Cologne is currently 5 days a week (non-ops Tues & Sat), so we gain 1 flight. The downside, no Hanover flights after 31 March. Stuttgart down to 4 per week, Mon & Tue am (0755 arrival) and Thu & Sun evening (1955 arrival).
Grand total down from the current level of 15 per week to 10 from next April.
Playamar2
Cologne is currently 5 days a week (non-ops Tues & Sat), so we gain 1 flight. The downside, no Hanover flights after 31 March. Stuttgart down to 4 per week, Mon & Tue am (0755 arrival) and Thu & Sun evening (1955 arrival).
Grand total down from the current level of 15 per week to 10 from next April.
Playamar2
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 110
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
MAN -AMS by Jet2 ends.
Looking at the booking site over at Jet 2 , It looks as if the AMS service is pulled during January 2008. I have just tried to book a day return, and no flights are available. Tried a few alternative dates through until May and the same result. I thought Jet 2 were supposed to be on the up at Man? - doesn't appear so?
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Manchester, England
Age: 58
Posts: 897
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
For some reason LS always seem to put the AMS flights on sale quite late in the day - seem to remember it was well into October last year before the second half of the winter appeared.
Wotmesir?
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Darkest Scotland
Posts: 98
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Suzeman.
Points taken. (No pun intended). There must remain the business case for both air and rail to provide a lo/co carrier on these routes subject to slots/paths being available. No doubt the screams of BA and Virgin would be heard and competition stifled.
but if I am going to London, I would take the train any day - once you are on it you can do what you want - get up, walk around, work, read, sleep, watch the world go by.
Not if you are driving the bloody thing you wont.
Points taken. (No pun intended). There must remain the business case for both air and rail to provide a lo/co carrier on these routes subject to slots/paths being available. No doubt the screams of BA and Virgin would be heard and competition stifled.
but if I am going to London, I would take the train any day - once you are on it you can do what you want - get up, walk around, work, read, sleep, watch the world go by.
Not if you are driving the bloody thing you wont.
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Manchester
Posts: 218
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Jet2 Amsterdam flights haven't been doing well for a while now. Not sure about yields but loads are very poor, averaging between 60 and 70 per flight which is worse than Berlin, Barcelona and Prague which have already been dropped.
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Very close to the Theatre of Dreams!
Posts: 156
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Just booked a flight over to the Isle of man on 2nd of Oct with Flybe and on the ticket it tells me the aircraft being used on the sector is an ATR42. I know Flybe have been checking their Q400s but is it correct that they have loaned in ATRs to take up the slack or is it an intrim measure as they draw down the 145s
Rob
Rob
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Noordwest
Posts: 172
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It's good that Jet2 have cancelled Prague because there was always the possibility that CSA might have pulled out. Jet2 are guilty of competing with the established carriers, chasing too few passengers and then when they scrap routes, MAN is left with no service at all (Berlin, which now joins Madrid and Geneva).