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Old 21st Apr 2008, 17:15
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Have I missed something .....MAN to Chicago? BA daily? Since when?
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Old 21st Apr 2008, 17:35
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Originally Posted by dollydaydream
Have I missed something .....MAN to Chicago? BA daily? Since when?
Eh? How did you not hear about it? British Airways began it just over 2 years ago, by ending one of their popular long hauls out of Heathrow, and moved the 747-400 to Manchester. It night stops here and is the most punctual long haul flight that BA operates because its now the only one that doesn't originate at the worlds most congested, delay-ridden airports; Heated Throw and Gatwick.

Every passenger that gets off at Chicago is able to reclaim all of their bags - again, because its one of the only long haul flights that doesn't operate out of the worlds largest baggage storage facility.

The 747 it uses has got pretty good First Class and Business sections. If you book in advance, you can get a pretty awesome deal!



Good bye BA long haul ex MAN.
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Old 21st Apr 2008, 17:40
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WincoDinco, nice post! I guess that they're actually referring to the AA flight which I believe BA codeshares on. As the original poster stated, clever way of twisting things.
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Old 21st Apr 2008, 17:55
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Thought that was too obvious What about the code share on the 1503?
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Old 21st Apr 2008, 20:29
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...and even the Manchester Evening News is slagging off BA....

...yep strange but true, it even mentions the numerous objections that BA filed against the numerous foreign airlines who had applied to serve MAN !

I need to go and have a lie down in a darkened room.
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Old 21st Apr 2008, 20:58
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"Passenger yield was reduced and the route was no longer viable," a
BA spokesman told ABTN. "Increased competition is a factor, and there
were not the passenger numbers to sustain it."

Brilliant, they continue to hold onto the "Stupid Comments from the Airline Industry" trophy for another month. I thought our airlines were a mess, but we can't touch BA.
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Old 21st Apr 2008, 21:27
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I for one am a very patriotic man and feel BA are making this country a laughing stock!

World class terminal from the world hub - a magnificant building in a magnificant city operated by a bunch of people not able to run anything!

Yes, I understand that we all want rid of BAs messing around at MAN which I totally agree with but for the airline to cock up on numerous occasions the new announcement with all the crap with it really does show how much of a disgrace the carrier is to the UK.

When onboard the service is of the highest quality and the staff are superb. It really does have the prospect of being the world's leading carrier in many fronts but when those clowns are at the top, it is like a handicap on the airline.

We all want NCL, GLA, EDI, BFS, MAN, BRS to be BA long haul bases but it is never going to happen. I for one would love the major airports in the country to have non-stop flights by BA to destinations across the globe but it isn't going to happen. BA are focused on London, but the irony is that to fill their planes leaving London, cities such as Glasgow and Manchester need to supply the passengers!

I must say in their defence though that they do offer a superb service from their base once taken off. I flew on business last summer to the States and when I arrived I was asked how my journey was. My answer was 'Fantastic!' His reply was 'BA?' Outside of the aviation circle BA still hold a high class name which I think they deserve as their crew and the 000's of employees that work for them try their very hardests and the monkeys controlling them are the real problem.

I for one am glad to see the back of BA at MAN on the long haul front but if they were to return with real conviction (never going to happen) I would welcome them. For now, I am happy to use the foreign airlines and VS and BMI.

Good luck to all carriers at MAN and I hope non take the same route as BA have done. You can promise what you like, but you will only be liked if you live up to them. Sorry BA - grab your coat.
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Old 21st Apr 2008, 21:41
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Out of interest where do people think BMI, Virgin or Jet 2 would get a take off and landing slot into JFK from?
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Old 21st Apr 2008, 21:46
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May I just point out that until the Bacon sell off to FlyBe the JFK service was actually a regional Bacon flight and not BA mainline.

It only became "mainline" as a result of the sell-off.


So BA didn't waste much time in chopping that once it was theirs!!
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Old 21st Apr 2008, 22:17
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It was only a recent BACON rasher, Previuosly it was mainline B767s, TriStars, B747, B707s and VC10s.
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Old 21st Apr 2008, 22:50
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...and even the Manchester Evening News is slagging off BA....

...yep strange but true, it even mentions the numerous objections that BA filed against the numerous foreign airlines who had applied to serve MAN !
Bagso

Can you point me in the right direction for this comment please? I can't seem to find it in the MEN website and it would be very interesting to see exactly what had been written. This is, as you say, very unusual. And most welcome too.

Thanks

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Old 21st Apr 2008, 23:42
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Previuosly it was mainline B767s, TriStars, B747, B707s and VC10s
Correct....on a Multi-stage flight...
BHX-MAN-PIK-JFK......
I remember the Ads...."BRUMMM to New York
Bin the "Shuttles" too...slots could be used by more "adventurous" airlines
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Old 22nd Apr 2008, 01:45
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Ba Man-jfk

As BA have termed the service MAN-JFK as suspended, does this mean that they will retain the slot at MAN and JFK preventing another airline using it?
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Old 22nd Apr 2008, 08:15
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Just looked this up in the BA Corporate Dictionary - It is defined as "cancelled,binned, permanently withdrawn,terminated,chopped,removed forever and killed off"

So no.............it's gone
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Old 22nd Apr 2008, 10:23
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Angel BA(BOAC)equipment MAN-JFK

and before VC10 were the props Britannia and DC7C which routed LHR(North),a collection of tents on the north side ! MAN/PIK/YQX/JFK(Idlewild) daily and ALSO LHR/MAN/PIK/YUL
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Old 22nd Apr 2008, 15:47
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I would guess the slot at JFK is not available as that will be used by BA for the LGW service. The man arrival and departure slot will probably still be available.
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Old 22nd Apr 2008, 18:44
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ZB

Winter 08/09 has not yet been released.

There are however many flights in the booking engine.

First glance on what is there looks disappointing and seems to be a reduction on last year.

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Old 22nd Apr 2008, 19:08
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As BA have termed the service MAN-JFK as suspended, does this mean that they will retain the slot at MAN and JFK preventing another airline using it?
European Slot Allocation regulations have a "use it or lose it" provision, so they cannot hang onto slots at MAN that they do not use. This provision is specifically designed to stop airlines hanging onto slots and not using them, thereby preventing other carriers from using them.

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Old 23rd Apr 2008, 01:49
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BA New York

In the long history of BOAC/BA Manchester-New York the service was once suspended and then re-born. BA183/182 was flown by VC10s and 707s until 1981 when it was dropped. BA then dropped their last remaining Atlantic route from MAN (to Toronto) in March 1983. I remember the gloom that hung over MAN at that time - Laker had gone bust and we faced a future without a long-haul scheduled service. Just when all seemed lost a big red and brown Kangaroo leapt to the rescue. As BA bowed out Qantas arrived, heralding the most exciting era in MAN history -the 1980s/90s long-haul boom. BA had a change of heart and returned to the JFK route in Summer 1985 using KT (British Airtours) Tristars at a three-per-week frequency. From this inauspicious start the service grew to daily, using the newly acquired BCAL 747s on LGW-MAN-JFK, then DC10s and finally a dedicated daily B767 whch has run until now.

So you never know, although there's no doubt that airlines are less willing to fly marginal routes these days and I do fear that we have seen the last of BA international services from MAN. Until? - who knows what this notoriously cyclic industry may hold for the future. MAN is a wounded giant, but not dead, and beginning to re-develop into an airfield better than anything outside LHR for long haul and hub operations.
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Old 23rd Apr 2008, 05:44
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Sunday 25 May 2008AircraftICAO TypeAirline/OwnerType/OperatorFlight ID/ATCETAETDInformation-B744Qantas AirwaysQFA220:5022:30-

Does anyone have more info on this parrticular predicted movement, taken from the RR website?
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