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In reply to DTV,
Peel did actually pay a small premium for the "asset" nothing anywhere near the paper valuation you quote of course.
With regards to your Dads Alicante flight, he has my sympathy, having experienced it myself this month. What Teesside management have to wake up to is the fact that everyones Dad, mum, brother, neighbour , cousin and priest all have workplaces, mates , relatives and the word is spreading faster each day that GSM are not reliable and are not a good bet for a hassle free holiday.
To save the situation next year GSM have to make a serious committment to Teesside or flog the routes to someone else who will.Question is how likely is that?
Peel did actually pay a small premium for the "asset" nothing anywhere near the paper valuation you quote of course.
With regards to your Dads Alicante flight, he has my sympathy, having experienced it myself this month. What Teesside management have to wake up to is the fact that everyones Dad, mum, brother, neighbour , cousin and priest all have workplaces, mates , relatives and the word is spreading faster each day that GSM are not reliable and are not a good bet for a hassle free holiday.
To save the situation next year GSM have to make a serious committment to Teesside or flog the routes to someone else who will.Question is how likely is that?
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If GSM do pull-out, at this moment in time there is no-one else to step in, Ryanair's Boeing 737-800s are too big, except for the odd route, and Ryanair will realise that.
I think what the management would have to try and do (if they can), is attract several new routes from several LCCs, once Clickair expand a bit more we could be an attractive proposition for them, Ryanair could do several routes, perhaps they could get away with a 1 aircraft base, I don't know, Wizz could expand a lot too.
But we haven't crossed that bridge yet, so I'll shut-up.
I think what the management would have to try and do (if they can), is attract several new routes from several LCCs, once Clickair expand a bit more we could be an attractive proposition for them, Ryanair could do several routes, perhaps they could get away with a 1 aircraft base, I don't know, Wizz could expand a lot too.
But we haven't crossed that bridge yet, so I'll shut-up.
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It makes pretty sad reading this thread. I have flown from MME many times both while living in the area and returning from leave when in the services. The BD service to LHR was first class at the time and the airport was always a pleasant place to fly from.
Today I live within an hour and a halfs driving time from PIK, GLA, EDI, NCL, MME so I am spoiled for choice. I prefer however not to drive and the choice becomes more restricted due to good public transport links.
PIK and MME are the worst in this respect. If MME had its rail service re-instated and a quality coach transfer from the station to the terminal, then I would use MME whenever I could.
Good luck for the future.
Today I live within an hour and a halfs driving time from PIK, GLA, EDI, NCL, MME so I am spoiled for choice. I prefer however not to drive and the choice becomes more restricted due to good public transport links.
PIK and MME are the worst in this respect. If MME had its rail service re-instated and a quality coach transfer from the station to the terminal, then I would use MME whenever I could.
Good luck for the future.
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Well there is the free bus link from Darlington Station to the Airport that only takes around 20 mins (free if your flying that day, otherwise £2) which runs half hourly throughout the majority of the day (soon to be hourly, though).
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I am sorry to say the future looks bleak for DTV
. Eastern down to 1 based aircraft
, GSM dropping routes during the summer, also large delays on the running routes
, no based Thomson next year, reduced schedule for Spanair and the possibility of no BM LHR route from the end of the winter schedule. No sign of any new business
, which I am sure, is the business of the marketing department
. Management put up car park charges with no notification only helps to alienate passengers from using DTV. And as for spending money the only work being done is cosmetic, just enough to say “we are spending the money on the airfield” .
. Eastern down to 1 based aircraft, GSM dropping routes during the summer, also large delays on the running routes, no based Thomson next year, reduced schedule for Spanair and the possibility of no BM LHR route from the end of the winter schedule. No sign of any new business, which I am sure, is the business of the marketing department. Management put up car park charges with no notification only helps to alienate passengers from using DTV. And as for spending money the only work being done is cosmetic, just enough to say “we are spending the money on the airfield” .
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DTVAirport - good post and I agree with everything you post, GSM days are I think numbered. The fact is they are in a mess and short or aircraft and therefore suspect next summer one aircraft based at MME then thats it theyb are gone, hope I am wrong.
The other problem MME has is that its is been squeezed for pax by two airports very close by that are expanding very rapidly ie Leeds and Newcastle. The major Jet2 expansion announced at Leeds last week for SO8 further add to MME woes I am afraid and if the the rumours are true about similar things at NCL from Jet2 then another nail is added into the coffin that is MME
MME is not only loosing out pax but I now would expect freight to go the same way. Again NCL is building a new freight village and you only have to see the huge pallets of Emirates sky cargo that come in every day to NCL to realise they are expanding the freight business.
Who can step in to fill the void if GSM go I am not sure, certainly not Ryanair as has already been pointed out the 787-800 limits routes that would work from MME. The best bet in my opinion is FLYBE with their smaller aircraft but again they don't have the capacity around to pick up any slack at MME.
This discussion could all be irrelavent though if BMI pull LHR. Ultimately if this happens then MME days will finally be over and would have thought Peel will then say enough is enough and develop the land as a business park and part housing so they can make some real money.
Ive flown from MME many times and yes its a great little airport but can we honestly say that the pax catchment area can support three airports close together namely MME, NCL and LBA. If the were honest the answer must be no and MME looks like its the one loosing the fight.
The other problem MME has is that its is been squeezed for pax by two airports very close by that are expanding very rapidly ie Leeds and Newcastle. The major Jet2 expansion announced at Leeds last week for SO8 further add to MME woes I am afraid and if the the rumours are true about similar things at NCL from Jet2 then another nail is added into the coffin that is MME
MME is not only loosing out pax but I now would expect freight to go the same way. Again NCL is building a new freight village and you only have to see the huge pallets of Emirates sky cargo that come in every day to NCL to realise they are expanding the freight business.
Who can step in to fill the void if GSM go I am not sure, certainly not Ryanair as has already been pointed out the 787-800 limits routes that would work from MME. The best bet in my opinion is FLYBE with their smaller aircraft but again they don't have the capacity around to pick up any slack at MME.
This discussion could all be irrelavent though if BMI pull LHR. Ultimately if this happens then MME days will finally be over and would have thought Peel will then say enough is enough and develop the land as a business park and part housing so they can make some real money.
Ive flown from MME many times and yes its a great little airport but can we honestly say that the pax catchment area can support three airports close together namely MME, NCL and LBA. If the were honest the answer must be no and MME looks like its the one loosing the fight.
GSM are not leaving. They just need a bit more advertisment. Don't forget they took over from the Bmi 
just as people had booked their holidays.
Who in their right mind wants to drive to NCL past the metro centre, LBA down the A59 or the even worse drive to Doncaster.
At the end of the day this forum isn't titled "Speculation and titletatle!"
just as people had booked their holidays.Who in their right mind wants to drive to NCL past the metro centre, LBA down the A59 or the even worse drive to Doncaster.
At the end of the day this forum isn't titled "Speculation and titletatle!"
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N707ZS - My post isn't based on Speculation and titltatle but nearly 20 years as a business analyst in the airline business and of course looking at the data.
Contrary to what your post implies folks are driving up to NCL and down to LBA otherwise where have all MME pax gone. With regard to GSM well see hope I am wrong but I forcasted the demise of BMI BABY at MME and was shot down for that again shortly after the BRU route start up I said things were not looking good and again was attacked and a couple of months ago posted that GSM would go down to one based aircraft and well the rest is history. This is not based on titletattle as you put it put analysing the data available and contacts in the industry.
I am not putting MME down ive said its a good little airport but simply can't compete with its bigger EXPANDING neighbours not my opinion N7 but fact. If you have any evidence to the contrary then that would be more constructive than your ignorance of the facts. To simply burry your head in the sand and ignore the problems facing MME is not going to help.
Contrary to what your post implies folks are driving up to NCL and down to LBA otherwise where have all MME pax gone. With regard to GSM well see hope I am wrong but I forcasted the demise of BMI BABY at MME and was shot down for that again shortly after the BRU route start up I said things were not looking good and again was attacked and a couple of months ago posted that GSM would go down to one based aircraft and well the rest is history. This is not based on titletattle as you put it put analysing the data available and contacts in the industry.
I am not putting MME down ive said its a good little airport but simply can't compete with its bigger EXPANDING neighbours not my opinion N7 but fact. If you have any evidence to the contrary then that would be more constructive than your ignorance of the facts. To simply burry your head in the sand and ignore the problems facing MME is not going to help.
ncleflights my comments are not at you personally, but there are a few here that don't know much truth. Yes like yourself I have worked in and around aircraft industry for 20+.
I see it that people see no other option due to the lack of advertisment.
And for Bmi baby can you truely say you know the real facts why they left. They were established and aircraft 3 and 4 were in on the cards.
Ignorance of facts well
I see it that people see no other option due to the lack of advertisment.
And for Bmi baby can you truely say you know the real facts why they left. They were established and aircraft 3 and 4 were in on the cards.
Ignorance of facts well
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I see it that people see no other option due to the lack of advertisment
Well I have seen GSM adverts on a lot of Bus's and bus stops around the area! Plus they got a lot a press space when the announced the base! Baby were every where including every local weather b/cast on TV but it did not help them!
I see it that people see no other option due to the lack of advertisment
Well I have seen GSM adverts on a lot of Bus's and bus stops around the area! Plus they got a lot a press space when the announced the base! Baby were every where including every local weather b/cast on TV but it did not help them!
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Let's not forget, MME has been trailing behind nearly all it's life, and given the choice, I'd rather see MME trail behind than close completely, so for now I'm just hoping we can survive trailing behind like we have done for years.
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10 DME ARC Totally agree with your point re advertising.
I have many colleagues and friends who live in the DTV catchment area but have absolutley no connection with the aviation industry, though virtually everyone of them could name all the airlines that operate from DTV and provide a pretty reasonable overview of destinations on offer. More so they all know where to look to fill the gaps in their knowledge when needed. But they only use DTV infrequently. The point that I would add is that it is not advertising that is lacking, any idiot can saturate all available advertising hoardings with eyecatching flash slogans & bright colour, what IS lacking is effective marketing & promotion. This is a much more complex subject and needs to aimed at inducing the punters to travel via DTV, by promoting flights through tour brochures or marketing as the most quick and effective and inexpensive way of travelling from 'A' to 'B'. ......Now the problem to all this is that as the services are severely limited, & the airports transport links & hence accessibility are poor, then the product for the marketing team to promote simply doesn't exist ! As said on many postings it's a vicious circle and with the competition gaining in presence, then the future presents major problems to be overcome.
I have many colleagues and friends who live in the DTV catchment area but have absolutley no connection with the aviation industry, though virtually everyone of them could name all the airlines that operate from DTV and provide a pretty reasonable overview of destinations on offer. More so they all know where to look to fill the gaps in their knowledge when needed. But they only use DTV infrequently. The point that I would add is that it is not advertising that is lacking, any idiot can saturate all available advertising hoardings with eyecatching flash slogans & bright colour, what IS lacking is effective marketing & promotion. This is a much more complex subject and needs to aimed at inducing the punters to travel via DTV, by promoting flights through tour brochures or marketing as the most quick and effective and inexpensive way of travelling from 'A' to 'B'. ......Now the problem to all this is that as the services are severely limited, & the airports transport links & hence accessibility are poor, then the product for the marketing team to promote simply doesn't exist ! As said on many postings it's a vicious circle and with the competition gaining in presence, then the future presents major problems to be overcome.
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Ignorance of facts well
Fact: Peel have spent nothing on promoting the airport
Fact: Peel have spent peanuts on infrastructure
Fact: Bmi pulled out at short notice last year.The Airport threatened to sue or at least pursue them through contract and that came to nothing.
Fact:GSM have persistently delayed , cancelled, consolidated flights throughout the latter part of the summer and have announced a reduced programme next year.
Fact
astern are slimming down their baseFact: Heathrow!!!!! is under serious threat next year
so for now I'm just hoping we can survive trailing behind like we have done for years.
And now I will shut up
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Originally Posted by carbheathot
Fact:GSM have persistently delayed , cancelled, consolidated flights throughout the latter part of the summer and have announced a reduced programme next year.
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always a place for DTV.. as long as the fog / wind still hangs around at LBA.... i am a supporter of Peel for other reasons as well as airports... but DTV does seem to be getting a poor deal from them.
I assume that the the land would be worth a lot more to them as property than in its current guise.... would be a shame though as DTV always do an excellent job turning our diverted planes around!
I assume that the the land would be worth a lot more to them as property than in its current guise.... would be a shame though as DTV always do an excellent job turning our diverted planes around!
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Routes Conference - Stockholm
Article from the local Evening Gazette – Monday 24th Sept.
DELEGATES have jetted out to a major airline conference to try and attract more flights to Durham Tees Valley airport.
Some of the world’s largest airlines and operators are expected at the 13th World Routes Conference in Stockholm, Sweden.
The three-day convention, which opened yesterday, offers a chance to showcase North-east England to potential airlines which could expand the region’s connections across the globe.
And the North-east is represented in force, with Durham Tees Valley Airport, regional development agency One NorthEast and Newcastle International Airport all attending.
More than 300 airlines attended the previous Routes conference in Dubai, which played a key role in bringing Emirates’ direct Newcastle-Dubai flights to the region.
Both Durham Tees Valley and Newcastle airports have enjoyed significant success in attracting new routes in recent years.
Richard Whitehouse, group charter development manager at Durham Tees Valley Airport, called it the “foremost route development conference in the world” and said meetings were planned with current and potential airlines.
Yet another press article to convince the community that all’s well with our dynamic, go ahead local airport. Past history tends to make me think the outcome from this conference is yet again going to be minimal for MME in tangible terms. Unless anyone knows different ?
DELEGATES have jetted out to a major airline conference to try and attract more flights to Durham Tees Valley airport.
Some of the world’s largest airlines and operators are expected at the 13th World Routes Conference in Stockholm, Sweden.
The three-day convention, which opened yesterday, offers a chance to showcase North-east England to potential airlines which could expand the region’s connections across the globe.
And the North-east is represented in force, with Durham Tees Valley Airport, regional development agency One NorthEast and Newcastle International Airport all attending.
More than 300 airlines attended the previous Routes conference in Dubai, which played a key role in bringing Emirates’ direct Newcastle-Dubai flights to the region.
Both Durham Tees Valley and Newcastle airports have enjoyed significant success in attracting new routes in recent years.
Richard Whitehouse, group charter development manager at Durham Tees Valley Airport, called it the “foremost route development conference in the world” and said meetings were planned with current and potential airlines.
Yet another press article to convince the community that all’s well with our dynamic, go ahead local airport. Past history tends to make me think the outcome from this conference is yet again going to be minimal for MME in tangible terms. Unless anyone knows different ?
I wonder if Peel is paying for the trip or will it come out of the local tax payers quater. Ground hog day but in a diffrent country and city
I see 05 is in use today, have they got the glideslope and all the landing equipment working and signed off now?
I see 05 is in use today, have they got the glideslope and all the landing equipment working and signed off now?