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I think the options for Shannon is either have a downsize to an ATR with Aer Arann (Regional) or lose the route completely with a hope that FR would introduce a more competively priced route to another airport in the area.
I think it's getting more and more obvious that Aer Lingus/Regional needs an aircraft like the E170/E195 to serve the lesser travelled routes in continental europe.
I think it's getting more and more obvious that Aer Lingus/Regional needs an aircraft like the E170/E195 to serve the lesser travelled routes in continental europe.
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CDG is not used like LHR or AMS as a buisness route dont know why
Then AMS, LHR are business driven and used by leisure pax regularly too.
Also im hearing ORK-GVA will be increased to 2x weekly from ORK next Winter after preforming well, ORK-EI schedule is expected to be released in late May.
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IIRC ORK-GVA was initially twice weekly, was later increased to 3 weekly for a shorter period, but was cut to 1x Weekly when the 4th A320 went into hibernation.
I hope the 4th A320 can be maintained year round. Maybe operating the morning LGW flight, if they wanted to return to daily on that and keep SNN-LGW operated by LGW aircraft.
I hope the 4th A320 can be maintained year round. Maybe operating the morning LGW flight, if they wanted to return to daily on that and keep SNN-LGW operated by LGW aircraft.
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Two reasons why CDG has never developed the business traffic of AMS.
One is the flight timings.
AMS allows for flying out in the morning and back in the evenings, even if on different days. This helps keep business costs down, making travel both more practical and keeping rates charged by businesses more competitive.
The second is cultural.
It's a lot easier to work in The Netherlands and Belgium through English.
If you ever travel regularly on the Amsterdam flight, you'll see that there are 20-30 faces that are on the Amsterdam flight every Monday morning. Most work in the Pharmaceutical Consulting and IT Consulting sectors and fly out every week returning on a Thursday or Friday. As we're not known as the greatest polyglots, those opportunities are not as prevalent in France.
The AMS route also seems to get a lot of usage from Kerry Foods. I'm not sure what that's about, but I imagine they must have significant operations in The Netherlands. Thankfully, they don't make so much usage that anyone is laying on a flight to Farranfore!
One is the flight timings.
AMS allows for flying out in the morning and back in the evenings, even if on different days. This helps keep business costs down, making travel both more practical and keeping rates charged by businesses more competitive.
The second is cultural.
It's a lot easier to work in The Netherlands and Belgium through English.
If you ever travel regularly on the Amsterdam flight, you'll see that there are 20-30 faces that are on the Amsterdam flight every Monday morning. Most work in the Pharmaceutical Consulting and IT Consulting sectors and fly out every week returning on a Thursday or Friday. As we're not known as the greatest polyglots, those opportunities are not as prevalent in France.
The AMS route also seems to get a lot of usage from Kerry Foods. I'm not sure what that's about, but I imagine they must have significant operations in The Netherlands. Thankfully, they don't make so much usage that anyone is laying on a flight to Farranfore!
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Shannon seemed to have such a strong winner with the daily Ryanair flight to Beauvais - was on it once in the winter time and the flight was full both ways with people from up and down the western seaboard. I could not believe it last year when Ryanair dropped the service for the winter. Ryanair are really something else. In the spirit of reconcilliation I hope Cork has four aeroplanes next winter from EI including Barcelona and that Shannon has a daily rotation to Paris, be it Beauvais or CDG, that hardly matters too much.
No harm in hoping. Not too much else to cheer about, is there?
No harm in hoping. Not too much else to cheer about, is there?
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I'd say the Beauvais service was over dependent on Celtic Cubs being treated to mini breaks in Eurodisney, school tours etc. Now that frugal living has made a comeback, routes of this sort have gone by the wayside.
I read recently that the German Economy is stronger than at any time since reunification. Maybe the time is right to look at Frankfurt, Dusseldorf or Berlin.
I read recently that the German Economy is stronger than at any time since reunification. Maybe the time is right to look at Frankfurt, Dusseldorf or Berlin.
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Aer Lingus Embraer
an Embraer E-195 would be an ideal aircraft for routes such as:
Brussels 4 weekly
Frankfurt 1 Daily
Dusseldorf 2 weekly
Berlin 2 weekly
Madrid 2 weekly
Prague 3 weekly
Budapest 1 weekly
Salzburg (Seasonal) 1 weekly
Vienna (seasonal) 1 weekly
Brussels 4 weekly
Frankfurt 1 Daily
Dusseldorf 2 weekly
Berlin 2 weekly
Madrid 2 weekly
Prague 3 weekly
Budapest 1 weekly
Salzburg (Seasonal) 1 weekly
Vienna (seasonal) 1 weekly
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All of these apart from Dusseldorf and Vienna were tried from Cork in recent years. An EMB 195 would clearly be more suitable than an A320. Vienna was on the EI shortlist in 2004/5 era but the presence of Malev and CSA at the time on Prague and Budapest militated against it. It probably would work as it would have a mix of inbound tourists, outbound city breakers. The significant Slovakian population might also use it due to it's proximity to Bratislava.
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The significant Slovakian population might also use it due to it's proximity to Bratislava.
I'd prefer to see an Innsbruck route as opposed to a Vienna route. And leave FR to mull over Bratislava.
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"Ideal" in terms of number of seats compared to demand, perhaps, but not "ideal" if the goal is to actually make a profit. The E195 is a good aircraft but do you seriously imagine that Aer Lingus (or anyone) could make money from operating a brand new (=expensive) aircraft on relatively long sectors at low frequencies which guarantee pretty much leisure-only traffic and correspondingly low yields?
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The best option of all would have been to have kept the 737-500s - after all, if it has been good enough for Lufthansa to have hung on to their -300s and -500s it might have been a good idea too for Aer Lingus especially for Cork and Shannon operations to mainland Europe.
The ERJ190/5 series are bound to be far too expensive and the A318 sub type is far too heavy a frame in the same way a 737-600 would be.
The ERJ190/5 series are bound to be far too expensive and the A318 sub type is far too heavy a frame in the same way a 737-600 would be.
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An Embraer 175/195 is a LOT cheaper to purchase than an Airbus 319.. and I'm sure Bombardier must be pretty desperate by now to sell their brand new C series, part of which will be built in Belfast...Aer Lingus could become Bombardier's biggest customer like Ryanair is Boeing's biggest customer
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I dunno CCR, the bombardier is so over priced compared to the Emb (according to wiki atleast). But Flybe does great with the Emb... so I don't know why people think this would be a bad move!
If Bombardier come down in price, it would be great to see Aer Lingus flying an "Irish" built aircraft.
If Bombardier come down in price, it would be great to see Aer Lingus flying an "Irish" built aircraft.
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As has been alluded to, the difference between CDG and AMS is cultural. If your business is not francophone oriented then you don't need CDG, a lot of the interconnect options there are francophone - Africa, Canada, Caribbean, etc.
As someone said, we are not polyglot, more's the pity.
Of course AER L's insistence on staying in the archeological glacial age that Term 1 in CDG represents doesn't help.
As someone said, we are not polyglot, more's the pity.
Of course AER L's insistence on staying in the archeological glacial age that Term 1 in CDG represents doesn't help.
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With Bombardier's lack of C series sales and the prospect of the Airbus NEO, Bombardier must be at the point of offering competing prices to Embraer for their well proven jet. Either way, an Aer Lingus order for the Embraer 175/195 or Bombardier C series jets would be great news for Cork and also good news for the Irish economy if the C series is selected.
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They're very good. The best preforming routes are Katowice and Gdánsk, they can be sold out regularly during holidays, christmas and the summer especially. All of their routes are doing well though, Warsaw was only suspended because capcity at W6 WAW base was reduced last winter and Cork was cut, but i understand it is now year-round again. As for the new VNO route which begins this Saturday i have no idea of the present load factor but i suspect the route will do well, W6 have never had a failed route from Cork, a while back they where intrested in doing ORK-PRG/BUD among others, but these plans where dropped in early 2009.