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Stats ion globe span completely wrong from what I understand AerRyan - the NOC legs on both route accounted for over 70% of the sold seats - there's that never word again !!!
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Massive assumption that all 'will remain well' between SNN and its biggest customer ... Relationship with NOC on the other hand has 'appeared to be' much more collaborative and 'working together'. Hence why I believe NOC would feature in any TA activity. However, massively subjective as in the future some day...
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Genuinely feel with ryanairs move into more primary airports across Europe and more high yielding markets that regional airports like shannon and knock might find their growth options with ryanair challenging - their strategy has and will very much change and that makes filler routes into regional airports challenging going forward - thst said one thing about aviation is that's it's ever changing !!!
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I have to say fair play to knock for wangling aer lingus for the charter .all be it one flight it will prove they can handle 757 American flights. With a bit of luck we will see an increased service in 2016.
Birmingham route ending in march. First time knock is without a bhx link since 2003.It will probably be winter before we get a new bhx route!
Birmingham route ending in march. First time knock is without a bhx link since 2003.It will probably be winter before we get a new bhx route!
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I have to say fair play to knock for wangling aer lingus for the charter .all be it one flight it will prove they can handle 757 American flights. With a bit of luck we will see an increased service in 2016.
Birmingham route ending in march. First time knock is without a bhx link since 2003.It will probably be winter before we get a new bhx route!
Birmingham route ending in march. First time knock is without a bhx link since 2003.It will probably be winter before we get a new bhx route!
BHX has ended in Shannon and will end in Knock, which I find unbelievably peculiar. Surely with the ending of the shannon service the Knock service would gain quite a few passengers? Shannon almost defiantly get a bhx route in September, its quite possible that knock may have to wait longer. There is a strong market for Birmingham, just no aircraft available to do it. EI regional have no spares, flybe obivously have a better use for the aircraft, and that only leaves ryanair, which in fairness isnt too likely until at least next summer. I hope im wrong though:P
I have came across slightly anti-knock in the past few posts, but Im not. Its great to have these 2 airports on the west coast as it brings employment to these Disadvantaged areas. I just dont see an airline doing a scheduled T/A service from knock. The aircraft is already being used on which is probably higher yield routes. If there was 100 more 757's in the world, I wouldn't doubt Knock would have one, but there is a severe shortage of these longer range, low passenger capacity aircraft.
If there was no 757's, Shannon would probably have a year round service to new york and a seasonal one to Boston, thats it. This is why the introduction of the A321 NEO is vital to the survival to thin t/a routes. In 10 years, the new A321 NEO will probably lead to plenty more thin long haul routes, but for the time being knock looks like it will be at a loss to a T/A service.
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Very interesting comments from Willie Walsh on the proposed Aer Lingus takeover by IAG this afternoon - he has stated that one part of the plan would be to strengthen the Knock to Gatwick route to become a genuine connection route onwards internationally. I had thought that this route would be quickly dropped following a takeover but maybe not.
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We could possibly see it go double daily then to offer more connection to BA's LGW network, although that is quite a lot of capacity. EI regional could be an option 2-3 daily although LGW isn't the most cost effective place to be flying an ATR which makes that seem unlikely. One things for sure once BA move to the South Terminal during 2016 connections between them and EI will be a good deal easier than they are currently.
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The only real carrier likely to pick up BHX from either knock or shannon is ryanair - it says a lot about ryanairs new strategy that they haven't picked up any of the lost UK routes out of shannon - they obviously have better utilisation and more profitable opportunities in primary airports across Europe - this will be the challenge going forward for regional airports like knock and shannon - I can see ryanair picking up BHX from knock but it will be at the expense of the EMA service. There simply are no other carriers out there to service these routes from knock or shannon - Otherwise they would have been picked up ahead of the summer season
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Runway, that has been stated several times over.
Anyway, I very much doubt Ryanair will take up BHX from Knock, as Shannon supported over 100 daily seats to BHX on expensive tickets. Knock wasnt so lucky.
With a larger market and lower fees at Shannon, you can be guaranteed that FR will not be taking up BHX from knock without them picking it up at Shannon first.
Meanwhile, 4 flights heading to Knock diverted to Shannon today. 3 of them flights returned to Knock and did the return Journey, and the other 1 flight to London Stansted took off with passengers transferred from Knock transferred by bus to Shannon.
A new charter to Turkey runs next September/october bookable through Sunway.ie
Anyway, I very much doubt Ryanair will take up BHX from Knock, as Shannon supported over 100 daily seats to BHX on expensive tickets. Knock wasnt so lucky.
With a larger market and lower fees at Shannon, you can be guaranteed that FR will not be taking up BHX from knock without them picking it up at Shannon first.
Meanwhile, 4 flights heading to Knock diverted to Shannon today. 3 of them flights returned to Knock and did the return Journey, and the other 1 flight to London Stansted took off with passengers transferred from Knock transferred by bus to Shannon.
A new charter to Turkey runs next September/october bookable through Sunway.ie
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AerRyan you should know there is no such thing as 'guarantees' in aviation - from looking at the stats Knock were supprting over 60,000 PAX with bmibaby even with the EMA service there so clearly a significant market, which Ryanair would likely stimulate event further. easily a market of close to 100,000 if there was no EMA service. if the market supported such volume at expensive prices in Shannon why isnt there a new carrier jumping to get in there for summer 2015??
Weather playing havoc last couple of days in Knock credit to ryanair for coming back and operating the outbound services
Weather playing havoc last couple of days in Knock credit to ryanair for coming back and operating the outbound services
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I know there is no guarantees, but theres smart business decisions and not so smart ones. Im not guaranteeing a BHX service to either NOC or SNN. Im also not doubting the market at NOC. But there is clearly a larger market at Shannon.
No carrier has the Aircraft to start a service. The BHX service would have stayed if EI regional had not started a CFN-DUB service with the help of getting paid to do so.
Flybe are pursuing other ventures so they are intrested in neither Knock or Shannon.
Also, why give credit to Ryanair? It's really an operational issue and any airline would do the same if they could. FYI they operated one of knocks services from Shannon.
No carrier has the Aircraft to start a service. The BHX service would have stayed if EI regional had not started a CFN-DUB service with the help of getting paid to do so.
Flybe are pursuing other ventures so they are intrested in neither Knock or Shannon.
Also, why give credit to Ryanair? It's really an operational issue and any airline would do the same if they could. FYI they operated one of knocks services from Shannon.
credit to ryanair for coming back and operating the outbound services
They were always going to try get in at some stage.
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Shannon supported over 100 daily seats to BHX on expensive tickets
Please define 'expensive tickets'. This is a fantastic statement, where on earth do you get your information from?
There is no compelling reason why Ryanair would ever want to fly from Knock to Birmingham when there is no existing carrier on the route, as they have East Mids, which is there alternative and the midlands airport that they have developed the most. Once can only assume due to lower cost base etc.
Shannon on the other hand had an incumbent on a route to the midlands and therefore FR went after that.
Equally, there are no carriers, who wish to come in and burn cash trying to occupy the space where Ryanair is at. Day returns on business are an attractive proposition, but with a daily 738 plying the route, the day return piece will never be sustainable.
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Despite me having stated on PPRuNe at keast twice before, I'll say it again.
With Stobart air, you could not get to Manchester for cheaper than €80 return with 7kg hand luggage only.
With Ryanair its often as cheap as €20 with 10kg luggage.
For the regional routes, Ryanair underprice Stobart and everyone else by a mile. They will always be the winners at high demand regional routes.
I believe that a 1x daily BHX service is sustainable from SNN while a 1x daily EMA service is at NOC.
With Stobart air, you could not get to Manchester for cheaper than €80 return with 7kg hand luggage only.
With Ryanair its often as cheap as €20 with 10kg luggage.
For the regional routes, Ryanair underprice Stobart and everyone else by a mile. They will always be the winners at high demand regional routes.
I believe that a 1x daily BHX service is sustainable from SNN while a 1x daily EMA service is at NOC.