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True iwak but my travel had the route to themselves, ryanair now doing over 50,000 a year on EMA and this impacted significantly on bimbaby particularly in last few years - that said definitely a market for both EMA and BHX
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IRELAND WEST AIRPORT KNOCK
I often wonder at the lack of Scottish routes. If it doesn't work on a jet why does the airport not approach turboprop operators such as Stobart Air/Loganair/Eastern Airways. I'd imagine a couple of times weekly to EDI/GLA/ABZ could work?
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Flybe operated EDI-NOC for a few years until they restructured. As far as I know, of the routes flybe cut at the time, that was one of the better performing ones and summer loads were strong - but not strong enough for the route to be saved as flybe switched their focus more towards strong business routes.
At that time the route was competing with EIR's EDI-SNN which is about to be cut by Stobart so any operator now would have the market to themselves, which would certainly help - but there is no obvious operator out there. Given the summer numbers on PIK-NOC this year I think Ryanair could have some success on EDI-NOC which would be a stronger pairing as a summer route.
However, with Shannon seemingly able to offer Ryanair virtually free landing slots these days since they were handed a big bag of money by the Government, EDI-SNN as a summer route would seem more likely at the moment. I think it has been shown that Knock does not work from any Scottish airport other than EDI at this point in time - and any airline looking at EDI would only find money to be made during the summer months.
IMO there are a handful of routes around the country at airports like WAT, SNN and NOC that would suit a turboprop airline. However, there are only two turboprop airlines operating to Irish regional airports at the moment and neither seem interested in growth at these airports.
At that time the route was competing with EIR's EDI-SNN which is about to be cut by Stobart so any operator now would have the market to themselves, which would certainly help - but there is no obvious operator out there. Given the summer numbers on PIK-NOC this year I think Ryanair could have some success on EDI-NOC which would be a stronger pairing as a summer route.
However, with Shannon seemingly able to offer Ryanair virtually free landing slots these days since they were handed a big bag of money by the Government, EDI-SNN as a summer route would seem more likely at the moment. I think it has been shown that Knock does not work from any Scottish airport other than EDI at this point in time - and any airline looking at EDI would only find money to be made during the summer months.
IMO there are a handful of routes around the country at airports like WAT, SNN and NOC that would suit a turboprop airline. However, there are only two turboprop airlines operating to Irish regional airports at the moment and neither seem interested in growth at these airports.
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However, with Shannon seemingly able to offer Ryanair virtually free landing slots these days
Shannon is slot free. Only DUB would possibly be busy enough to warrant their use in ROI, and seeing as I've never worked there, I can't say whether they use them for sure
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Shannon is slot free. Only DUB would possibly be busy enough to warrant their use in ROI, and seeing as I've never worked there, I can't say whether they use them for sure
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What about the supposedly "big bag of money" knock is getting from Mayo County council? Didn't think of that did you? Knock is actually getting the money from the council, which means that people in the county will have to do without other services. Far worse than the money the DAA used to pay a debt that was endowed upon Shannon while in their leadership. If the money had not been given to Shannon, it would of been wasted somewhere in the DAA. I don't see that having any negative effect on taxpayers anywhere. Research your facts.
As well as that, Knock should have a Scottish route, but sadly there is very few available turboprop's in both countries. Shannon not having a Scottish route hurts knoc ks chances of getting such a route, not only due to the fact that Shannon has a better route support scheme, but also due to the fact that Shannon would have a better ability to gain passengers on the route. Basically Shannon has a better catchment, is connected to a motorway network and is well connected to 2 cities.
Ryanair may set up these routes in September when the aircraft become available, but until then its rather unlikely that either knock or Shannon will see Birmingham or Scotland.
As well as that, Knock should have a Scottish route, but sadly there is very few available turboprop's in both countries. Shannon not having a Scottish route hurts knoc ks chances of getting such a route, not only due to the fact that Shannon has a better route support scheme, but also due to the fact that Shannon would have a better ability to gain passengers on the route. Basically Shannon has a better catchment, is connected to a motorway network and is well connected to 2 cities.
Ryanair may set up these routes in September when the aircraft become available, but until then its rather unlikely that either knock or Shannon will see Birmingham or Scotland.
Don't go down that rout AerRyan or you'll spark an enormous row, the previous propping up of SNN with state funds is a sore topic for everybody who wouldn't consider it their local, especially those in DUB which suffered the worst as a result
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I had a massive point discussed and made in a post I was about to make, acknowledging all sides of the argument, praising the Irish aviation system and coming to a very detailed conclusion made to avoid any severe arguements, when my phone spasmed out and restarted. Despite me copy all the paragraphs bar the conclusion, I lost the entire post. Its 2:40 and I REALLY am not in that state of mind to spend another 15minutes typing out the same post. I may try again in the morning if I have not disabled my phone in some sort of way from my agitation.
I do apologise for this possibly spammy post, but I do agree partly with all points.
I do apologise for this possibly spammy post, but I do agree partly with all points.
turboprop operators such as Stobart Air/Loganair/Eastern Airways
I'd imagine a couple of times weekly to EDI/GLA/ABZ could work?
Loganair currently offer Donegal to Glasgow using spare capacity from the PSO Dublin - Donegal to access their Glasgow base.
It will be interesting to see if Stobart offer a similar service.
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Stobart Air ( when Aer Arann ) did CFN PIK then changed to GLA. They too operated this route when they had the PSO.
Naturally it is right to say Loganair in its various guises have been operating this route on and off over the last few decades ...
Realise slightly off the NOC topic
Naturally it is right to say Loganair in its various guises have been operating this route on and off over the last few decades ...
Realise slightly off the NOC topic
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The total for Knock in 2014 was 703,324 with a strong Christmas taking them over the 700k mark for the first time. Hopefully it wont be too long before these kind of figures are seen again, but it won't be in 2015.
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I hear there's a press conference called by the airport and the shrine in knock tomorrow assume some form of pilgrimage announcement anyone heat anything?? European maybe Rome ? Hardly transatlantic