IRELAND WEST AIRPORT KNOCK
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So Shannon is getting its edinburgh flight back next March it will be operated 6 weekly with stobart air .Im sure this will be a bit of a blow for flybe but I still think with the right marketing and with the stronger economy the two can co exist .In saying that I do think 4 weekly is a more realistic timetable.
Good to see Aer Lingus adding 3 extra rotations over the Xmas hols to Lgw !
Good to see Aer Lingus adding 3 extra rotations over the Xmas hols to Lgw !
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Flybe been at the airport since 2012 and appear to be having their best year on record on Manchester service - why wouldn't they hang around ?? Plenty enough market for both SNN and NOC although sgree six per week a bit heavy although only for the summer at those frequencies
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So Shannon is getting its edinburgh flight back next March it will be operated 6 weekly with stobart air .Im sure this will be a bit of a blow for flybe but I still think with the right marketing and with the stronger economy the two can co exist .In saying that I do think 4 weekly is a more realistic timetable.
Good to see Aer Lingus adding 3 extra rotations over the Xmas hols to Lgw !
Good to see Aer Lingus adding 3 extra rotations over the Xmas hols to Lgw !
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They won't stick around simply because they are Flybe. Okay maybe the MAN service will stay, maybe it won't. Looking at their past they really decide that new routes are more important than sustaining existing ones. Look at the amount of routes that have commenced and been pulled over the past few years in Ireland by Flybe.
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They won't stick around simply because they are Flybe. Okay maybe the MAN service will stay, maybe it won't. Looking at their past they really decide that new routes are more important than sustaining existing ones. Look at the amount of routes that have commenced and been pulled over the past few years in Ireland by Flybe.
Stobart air wouldn't exactly cover themselves in glory in this regard either
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They won't stick around simply because they are Flybe. Okay maybe the MAN service will stay, maybe it won't. Looking at their past they really decide that new routes are more important than sustaining existing ones. Look at the amount of routes that have commenced and been pulled over the past few years in Ireland by Flybe.
I don't think the Shannon to Edinburgh route will have too much relevance to Knock to be honest. I can't imagine too many people in the west/north-west travelling down to Shannon to fly on an ATR at the prices Stobart charge. Similarly, next to nobody from or going to the mid west region was going to travel via Knock. Most passengers in the 'battleground' area between the two airports along the M6 corridor will probably choose Ryanair from Dublin rather than either turboprop option - and that's where both of these routes are competing really, to convince passengers in their respective regions not to fly via Dublin. Hopefully they will both succeed, with jet fuel prices down and staying down they should have a good chance.
The main concern I had for the Knock route was that Shannon might secure a Ryanair service to Edinburgh. Ryanair's fares tend to pull in passengers from further afield and a Ryanair service from Shannon to Edinburgh would have eaten into Knock's catchment area and put huge pressure on the new Knock route. However that hasn't happened.
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uve hit the nail on the head there Kinocker superb summary and I think you are spot on with your comments in this regard - your 100% right in that a Ryanair operation to Edinburgh out of either airport would have sucked up most of the traffic - both Stobart and Flybe have similar pricing models so galway be main battleground
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I agree with kinocker also it's probably a better option having stobart rather than fr.Kinocker you were a regular user of the edi service the last time it operated and you always reported a pretty good load factor when you travelled .Timings are important for knock routes as they are mainly used for leisure .I think a late eve Sunday flight should be a must for the winter .i know there are many students from the west of Ireland studying in Edinburgh and good weekend timings are important for inbound and outbound passengers.
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Comparing the two services now, on the cheapest days, SNN-EDI is €64.98 and NOC-EDI is €78.55. The lower fares are also alot less frequent on the Knock service. Both are 6 weekly and not operating on Saturdays.
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I genuinely don't think €15 fate difference is going to entice people from either catchment to travel to the other airport - as rightly pointed out by most the big advantage would have been if either airport had got Ryanair on the route - the €10 fares would have mopped up the passengers - Flybe snd stobart are much the same so don't see that there will be very much at all between the fares on offer - plus very early days profile of UK bookers is 3-4 weeks in advance of travel
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Not from each others catchment, but the place In the middle, Galway. At €65 it compared very favourably to Ryanair from Dublin, with also good bus links now from Galway to Shannon it may be a deal breaker.
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Good point Galway is probably the price sensitive point - that said Ryanair will no doubt crank up the pressure on the fares and neither stobart / Flybe will be able to compete - you won't get the €60/70 fare from June to August but Ryanair will still drive the price down during these months
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Agree. I think that applies at all airports in Ireland really - some people think Ryanair fly ever route from all airports !!!! They win the fares battle hands down as well though in fairness versus the turbo prop operators
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Another charter from the US - Boston this time to come into knock airport in July - keeps the momentum going after the New York charter last summer hopefully something more substantial for 2017! Definitely a market there to capitalise on in the summer at least
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One off proves nothing - market there as was demonstrated in 2007 when they had an unknown carrier service both Boston and New York - certainly a seasonal operation with an established carrier would do well - while north west of Ireland market to cater for - especially given the current strong dollar and influx of US tourists - you not agree ??