IRELAND WEST AIRPORT KNOCK

[mart901]

Yep indeed looking at the NOC website you can see both WW today and EIR on tomorrows board! At least it has been seamless. Also in effect BFS with EZY will compensate WW/BHD later in the year.

[airnoc]

Hi Aer Lingus Regional

Bad start to NOC/BHX first day just one hour late hope this does not continue. The flight was in from shannon ontime so what the delay?

[mart901]

As I said on the aer lingus regional page it left BHX 10 mins early so heaven only knows

[mart901]

Its diverted into DUB so looks like a tech prob but not sure. Left DUB at 11am.

[CabinCrewe]

I am always amazed at how much activity there is on this thread, compared to other much larger airports. What is it they say... quanitity, not quality ?

[mart901]

Amazing people can post on all sorts of other airport threads about delays, positioning flights, all sorts of trivia. Then you put it on Knock airport and it causes a snide remark. Next we will be referring to it as the foggy boggy airport on the Mayo hills.

[ryan2000]

Never mind Mart, monsignor Horan has proved all of his critics wrong. I'm convinced that Knock will pass the milion mark once the economic situation improves.

[fivejuliet]

airnoc, it was on purpose. Don't you know the crew were part of the "Shannon Brigade"

[sawtooth]

May UK stats:
LTN +23%
BHX +24%
EMA +25%
LPL +15%
BRS +9%
MAN -37%

Winter:
Looks like most flights loaded other than BHX. Another quiet winter with TFS, LBA and Euro routes seasonal. Thought FR might keep BRS given numbers have been up each month, but they have at least regulated timings on London routes.

LTN 7x all 11.25
STN 7x all 13.25 ex Monday 8.35
LGW 7x all 16.50
LPL 7x
MAN MTW-F-S
EDI MTW-F-S
EMA --W-F-S
ACE ---T---
BHX n/a

[PPRuNeUser0176]

MAN MTW-F-S
EDI MTW-F-S

Think you mean MAN is M,W,F,Su (direct) and EDI T,F,Su (direct)

[sawtooth]

Thanks, I thought that looked odd, annoying how BE engine lumps in connecting flights.

[mart901]

looking at the BHX schedules for winter there is no room for EIR to run a W pattern flight out to NOC unless they are planning to amend the schedule. It will be interesting to see what happens there, I can't honestly see them dropping it, it will probably be a real money spinner for them with the drop in capacity.

[Jack1985]

looking at the BHX schedules for winter there is no room for EIR to run a W pattern flight out to NOC unless they are planning to amend the schedule. It will be interesting to see what happens there, I can't honestly see them dropping it, it will probably be a real money spinner for them with the drop in capacity.

The Aer Lingus Regional winter schedule wont be loaded into the GDS until July at the latest.

[iwak]

I see new euro routes are now only bookable till early sept. Not a good sign!

[PPRuNeUser0176]

BVA ends 13 September.
BGY ends 12 September.
HHN ends 13 September.
GRO ends 13 September.

This is not the first time FR pulled routes in September. They pulled a load last September from Dublin and I got an e-mail saying it was cancelled due to low demand and could transfer to another route or a refund.

Wonder if they will start again in March 2013.

[fivejuliet]

Loads on BVA and HHN in particular were notably poor. Doubt they will return anytime soon

[iwak]

Pity to hear that the euro routes weren't as successful as we thought they would be. Ryanairs aircraft are simply too big obviously. Maybe the future lies with the likes of lufthansa with smaller aircraft to key german cities once a week.

Any time I was at the airport girona seem to have good loads but maybe reus was more successful as it's a Bucket and spade route .

It quite obvious that uk and sun routes are knocks future .In my opinion stn should have a late night fri and sun for emigrants coming home for the weekend from London. Bhx daily is great news however ema should be 4/5 wkly for winter to make up for seats lost on bhx. Manchester should be 5/6 weekly as opposed to 4 with a sat am service a necessity for man u fans like the lpl route.Great to see edi still there for winter .

Looking ahead to summer 2013 management have indicated a Glasgow service !as for potential routes I would like to see a 2 wkly to malaga and palma and reus returning to replace girona. I can't see any other scheduled routes to be honest unless LHR by Ei if we were really lucky.!

[sawtooth]

Loads on BVA and HHN in particular were notably poor.

What about BGY and GRO? Looking at last AENA stats available GRO was around 62% load in May, reasonable for start of the season. REU did very well last few years, perhaps it suited the market for the coastal resorts and adventure park better than GIR as a city break. Not a good sign but it is just 3 months into the first season, and sadly much of the marketing funding and European promotion is only coming together in the last few weeks.

I wonder if they have a multi-year deal with FR, they seemed to have going on MOLs talk of doubling routes, and the DOT and Tourism Ireland involvement in Euro launch suggested the were offering longterm backing.

However I noticed FR slip a small dig in one of the articles about the latest cozy up to Shannon, could be playing them off:

Since the previous Shannon deal ended in 2009, airports such as Kerry and Knock have increased Ryanair services. Mr Cawley declined to go into detail on deals with these airports but confirmed it was much more competitive than what the DAA was seeking at Shannon. “What I can tell you is that free is expensive there (Knock and Kerry) now,” he said.

[EI-A330-300]

However I noticed FR slip a small dig in one of the articles about the latest cozy up to Shannon, could be playing them off:

Don't tend to speculate but I find it very strange that these flights were removed very recently after FR proposed to base another aircraft at SNN. However then it could nust be poor bookings..

[sawtooth]

Looking ahead to summer 2013 management have indicated a Glasgow service

Strong Donegal/NI-Glasgow connections, but BE probably wouldn't go against their own CFN route and EDI. EIR perhaps with another midday filler?

I can't see any other scheduled routes to be honest unless LHR by Ei if we were really lucky

Wonder if newcomer to the Irish market BA would take a look... hub dreams aside, London schedule should be the airports priority, obvious demand for late weekend services at the very least.

Also of note, NOC opened the new business lounge last week. Bit steep at €18 pre-booked but useful service.

The airport local area plan is due for approval next week which should facilitate future development of the site infrastructure, and possibly the proposed business park/Raddison hotel developments.