IRELAND WEST AIRPORT KNOCK

[EI-BUD]

BA are not going to touch Knock, simply the slots are too precious and they will feel London/Knock well enough served. Yes they would be more interested in longhaul feed, but there is limited point to point, and it's price sensitive, so in short I think not a hope until a new runway/airport for London is built. I would see Cork and then Shannon, in that order as the next Irish airports to be served if they have the appetite, but cant see it happening unless the arrangements with Aer Lingus go really sour.

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by sawtooth

I wonder if they have a multi-year deal with FR, they seemed to have going on MOLs talk of doubling routes, and the DOT and Tourism Ireland involvement in Euro launch suggested the were offering longterm backing.

Ryanair does tend to focus on multi-year deals, but the structure is usually that the airport guarantees the financial terms for four or five years, while Ryanair reserves the right to walk away whenever it wants. You can see this e.g. with recent EC publications of preliminary investigation results of other airports like Angouleme and Altenburg, where Ryanair pulled out part way through a deal period (typically after trying and failing to renegotiate the deal).

[airnoc]

HI,

Due to travel from NOC to LDE on thurs next.

Any info on what time flight is at and who doing as i got no word yet

[Keyvon]

Expect Ryanair to also cut Tenerife South.

[Shanwickman]

Already announced at news conference in Tenerife today.

Tenerife (4)
1 Doncaster
2 Knock
3 Oporto
4 Zaragoza

Cancelación de las rutas de Ryanair

Gran Canaria (7)
1 Bratislava
2 Baden Baden
3 Liverpool
4 Pisa
5 Santander
6 Shannon
7 Zaragoza

Lanzarote (6)
1 Eindhoven
2 Baden Baden
3 Santander
4 Valencia
5 Valladolid
6 Zaragoza


Fuerteventura (4)
1 Edimburgo
2 Frankfurt Hahn
3 Londres Luton
4 Cork

Link here (Spanish)

Canarias Ahora.es - Ryanair cancela 21 rutas con Canarias por los ''incumplimientos'' del Gobierno regional

[Kinocker]

Knock could really do with a boost for the winter schedule - it's looking very quiet again this year. Double daily Stansted or Luton, at least on Friday and Sunday, would be a big help - but will the airport prefer to reduce operating hours to the minimum again this winter rather than go after something like this?

[IrishFlyer2013]

NOC - DUS with Lufthansa is returning for Summer 2013. The flights are now bookable for next year. Good news.

[Mayfly1]

Thats good to hear, and I'm sure the way they work in Knock there will be more good news on the way for 2012...

[fivejuliet]

From what I hear the grass is not always greener on the other side...it's going to be quite quieter at Knock next summer

[Fly_bill]

Any further insight into that Juliet or whats the word on the street??

[fivejuliet]

Very probable that HHN, BVA and BGY won't run next summer, there were huge losses on the first two in particular.

Next summer will probably see mostly just ACE, ALC, probably FAO and probably GRO along with the UK flights. LTN doesn't look too good.

A proper German route i.e not Hahn would be worthwhile as the Germans like the west of Ireland- decades of charters from Germany and Austria to Shannon in the summer testify to that.

[Fly_bill]

Thanks for insight I'd be amazed if Tenerife and gran canaria don't operate next summer these routes have had big numbers this summer, also I don't see any chance of lutôn being dropped prob ryanairs best performing route from knock I'd be confident with a an earlier marketing campaign for new European routes next year they will improve good loads this month I hear as you say definitely market there for germany

[ryan2000]

They probably needed a greater marketing effort. The Shannon charters depended on large block bookings from Tour operators and these often make their plans 12 months in advance.

[iwak]

Looking at the cso statistics for April bva had the best loads out of all of the 4new routes.fr should never have swapped reus for girona. Reus was a great performer .paris was probably a better performer as it would get more pax ex noc where as the others were more reliant on just inbound to knock.

I think the management should just focus on bucket and spade routes and we might get Paris back if were lucky however I don't know what loads have been like since April.

Bristol has really been picking up since returning for summer.it should be. Brought back for winter also.

Lpl and ema are also showing big increases for June obviously picking up the slack from bmi baby's exit.

Pitty to see man numbers drop but at least lpl is gaining the pax andwe are not losing to snn .

[Kinocker]

Airport looking seriously busy today - Paris, Pau, Frankfurt, Barcelona, Bratislava, London x 3 etc...those three stands will be under pressure. 14 departures showing on the boards and at least one other (Beauvais) will have gone out earlier in the day.

Hopefully this summer isn't the last one where we see such schedules.

[mart901]

Anyone know how the EIR loads are looking?

[sawtooth]

14 departures showing on the boards

30 movements with Cityjet and Adria charters today.

Anyone know how the EIR loads are looking?

CAA provisional figure for June is 2911. WW ceased on 11th and EIR operated remaining 20 days so looks a reasonable start for a new daily.

...LTN doesn't look too good.

LTN figures grew most months of this year, up 16% in June. I wonder if they would cut LTN to facilitate double daily STN? Would mean losing major catchment of Irish population though.

[sawtooth]

Local Area Plan

The LAP was signed off this week for the airport and surrounding area. It should put clear planning guidelines in place, and will advance the SDZ application. It includes 25 ha north of the airport zoned for a business park development.

However they have added some restrictions including prohibiting retail development outside of the terminal area, and "rural character" zoning of some surrounding lands rural, which will rule out most development including proposed hotel (aim being to make sure such developments locate in nearby towns).

This rural zoning also includes a raised area around the old VOR site within the airport complex, but this is being reviewed following complaints from the airport management.

[Jamie2k9]

LBA being dropped from 9 September, was bookable until 25 October.

[EI-A330-300]

FR have increased EMA from 3 to 5 weekly for winter.

Also read on twitter that July pax up 8%