LONDON CITY - 2
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The new Cityjet/Air France schedules don't seem completely set up yet (like Milan times were still missing the last time I checked) but there appear to be at least two night stopping aircraft, and if there is an early morning departure to Milan that would make it three.
Is Cityjet setting up a crew base at London City ? If I am correct Scot already have a small base but this will be the first jet basing. How many crew will be here ?
I'm off at a grossly early hour tomorrow to Heathrow to get to Belfast City. Roll on the new Scot BHD service (although the times give a bit of a short business day in Belfast).
Is Cityjet setting up a crew base at London City ? If I am correct Scot already have a small base but this will be the first jet basing. How many crew will be here ?
I'm off at a grossly early hour tomorrow to Heathrow to get to Belfast City. Roll on the new Scot BHD service (although the times give a bit of a short business day in Belfast).
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Hi all just seen a programme Flight Deck with BAE 146-200 and it going into LCY and I was wondering can the Fokker 70 land at LCY,If so has anyone flown it into LCY ?
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JAmes
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The F70 operated into London City for a few years in the late 1990s on the Air France flights from Paris. From the ground it was a noisy little thing in comparison to the 146. It was replaced by the franchise arrangement Air france struck with Cityjet to use 146s instead in AF livery, which also gave about 20 more seats per flight.
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Air France replaced the Fokker 70 because of performance issues, mainly related to braking in wet conditions IIRC. These problems were the triggering event to join forces with Cityjet who had a more suitable aircraft available.
By the way, the Fokker 70 needs a few modifications for LCY ops, mainly software-wise. the onyl aircraft modified as such are the ex Air Littoral Fokker 70s which are flying with Regional, if memory serves.
By the way, the Fokker 70 needs a few modifications for LCY ops, mainly software-wise. the onyl aircraft modified as such are the ex Air Littoral Fokker 70s which are flying with Regional, if memory serves.
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Rubbish! BA take over another airline? Crikey that would never happen again surely......really ? You reckon? Are they SO stupid? They are? Oh sorry........I am so naive.
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Originally Posted by virginblue
Who knows - with all these rumours about BA being interested in taking over VLM to expand the LCY operation....
...aha. Further research suggests that "industry sources" told the Evening Standard this, but not much more.
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A BA F50 that could work, Hope they dont take them over then all 22 F50 will be gone
I see on the BA cityflyer post they have ordered some A318?
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I see on the BA cityflyer post they have ordered some A318? James
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I see on the BA cityflyer post they have ordered some A318
Given that the person who posted this sensational rumour in the Cabin crew forum is also under the impression that VLM is Dutch, I suspect that a little inaccuracy has crept in. BA mainline, BA cityflyer, A320s, A318s, what's the difference?
(Note: BA *could* decide to order A318s in the future. They have a pile of A319 options which could be converted to other types in the family. But they have not ordered A318s yet, and frankly if I were launching a new operation at LCY I'd want to be reasonably sure that it was going to work out and hit my 10% operating margin target before I signed up for a few hundred million $ worth of rather niche-y aircraft.)
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Why not ? It will be the easiest way to get slots at slot-constrained LCY, the expertise of an airline that has been running a succesful operation for more than 15 years from LCY and a network that certainly must be of interest to anyone who is seriously interested in developing LCY into a new market in addition to LHR and LGW. Plus, on most routes VLM is now facing the problem that they require a larger type of aircraft than the Fokker 50.
This is from a Dutch website:
= A VLM spokeswoman has said that there are no take-over talks and VLM is unaware of any interest by BA. VLM's owner (Panta, also the owner of Denim) has not been available for comment, BA has refused to make a comment.
This is from a Dutch website:
Bij VLM Airlines is niets bekend over de vermeende overnameplannen van British Airways. “In ieder geval zijn er geen overnamegesprekken gaande”, meldt woordvoerster Catherine Stuyck aan Luchtvaartnieuws.nl.
Bij Panta Holdings, het moederbedrijf van VLM Airlines, was donderdag niemand bereikbaar voor commentaar. BA weigert in Britse media commentaar op speculaties over VLM.
Bij Panta Holdings, het moederbedrijf van VLM Airlines, was donderdag niemand bereikbaar voor commentaar. BA weigert in Britse media commentaar op speculaties over VLM.
up regional airlines. Maybe they could put DE in charge.
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Thats very unfair. DE has been a driving force in the expansion of UK regional airlines - Air Southwest, Eastern and Loganair for example have all profited from his and his employers wisdom of offloading profitable routes - just a shame the regional airline he was meant to be running went down the pan in the process.......
Thats very unfair. DE has been a driving force in the expansion of UK regional airlines - Air Southwest, Eastern and Loganair for example have all profited from his and his employers wisdom of offloading profitable routes - just a shame the regional airline he was meant to be running went down the pan in the process.......
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on most routes VLM is now facing the problem that they require a larger type of aircraft than the Fokker 50.
And has the A318 got rights now to land at LCY?Regards
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Yes, but they are now expanding outside LCY, e.g. with the new ANR-MAN route. This is pretty much what their CEO said in an interview last year. Given the current situation - only destinations less than 500mls away being feasible with Fokker 50, almost all promising destiations within this perimeter being served now and the difficulties to get peak time slots at LCY, growth will focus on markets outside LCY until the airport has added capacity and the airline sorted out its future fleet.
VLM could easily fill larger aircraft during peak times on most of their routes, but so far had to try to squeeze in additional Fokker 50 flights. While frequency is on eof VLM's main selling points, it does not really make sense to have aircraft departing in 15minute intervals. With routes like AMS, RTM, MAN now hat 9+ flights on weekdays, it certainly would help to have a larger type of aircraft for the mornings and evenings.
VLM could easily fill larger aircraft during peak times on most of their routes, but so far had to try to squeeze in additional Fokker 50 flights. While frequency is on eof VLM's main selling points, it does not really make sense to have aircraft departing in 15minute intervals. With routes like AMS, RTM, MAN now hat 9+ flights on weekdays, it certainly would help to have a larger type of aircraft for the mornings and evenings.
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Jersey
A senior person from Jersey Airport managment spoke on Monday last and said, there could be more London City-Jersey flights, they are working on it at the moment any ideas on this or comments.
The Manchester flight into City in the morning modnay to friday goes down to Jersey and has a seven hour lay over, is this where they are looking at doing something like operate the aircraft back to City in the morning and then down to Jersey to make good the late afternoon?
Or are they looking at weekend service?
The Manchester flight into City in the morning modnay to friday goes down to Jersey and has a seven hour lay over, is this where they are looking at doing something like operate the aircraft back to City in the morning and then down to Jersey to make good the late afternoon?
Or are they looking at weekend service?
