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Details on the new AF/WX schedule:
GVA: new, 5th rotation GVA 1230 - 1315 LCY 1345 - 1630 GVA
EDI: goes all RJ85 with the exception of one daily flight that remains on a D328 (LCY 2025 - 2150 EDI 0750 - 0915).
PAR: one daily rotation added. Departures to ORY now at 0800, 1200, 1550, 1830 and 1940.
SXB: one daily rotation axed. Departures to SXB now only at 0945 and 1655.
ZRH: route axed.
So all in all 5 frequencies go (4x ZRH, 1x SXB) and 2 are added (1x GVA, 1x ORY), so a net loss frequency-wise of 3 departures. Either this in preparation of surrendering the slots in order to obtain the OFT clearance for the VLM take-over, or for starting up a new thrice-daily route (JER?, IOM?). Haven't really checked in detail. but the slots should allow for a decent timetable and for both basing an aircraft at LCY or elsewhere.
Scot Airways operation down to three aircraft, with one each based at DND, LCY and EDI. I think they have four on the franchise at the moment.
GVA: new, 5th rotation GVA 1230 - 1315 LCY 1345 - 1630 GVA
EDI: goes all RJ85 with the exception of one daily flight that remains on a D328 (LCY 2025 - 2150 EDI 0750 - 0915).
PAR: one daily rotation added. Departures to ORY now at 0800, 1200, 1550, 1830 and 1940.
SXB: one daily rotation axed. Departures to SXB now only at 0945 and 1655.
ZRH: route axed.
So all in all 5 frequencies go (4x ZRH, 1x SXB) and 2 are added (1x GVA, 1x ORY), so a net loss frequency-wise of 3 departures. Either this in preparation of surrendering the slots in order to obtain the OFT clearance for the VLM take-over, or for starting up a new thrice-daily route (JER?, IOM?). Haven't really checked in detail. but the slots should allow for a decent timetable and for both basing an aircraft at LCY or elsewhere.
Scot Airways operation down to three aircraft, with one each based at DND, LCY and EDI. I think they have four on the franchise at the moment.
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Scot do have 4 on Cityjet work at the moment. But I heard something about them looking at a Jersey base (one of their Dorniers is currently subchartered out in Guernsey). Could this be a Jersey-LCY route ? FlyBe used to do this 3 times a day and get loads which, while not quite justifying a Dash 8, could suit a Dornier, especiall feeding into connections at LCY.
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Given that Air France is apparently running into difficulties operating on routes to the continent from LCY on which Star and Oneworld already have a strong foothold, a high-yielding niche route certainly would be a good option if they cannot find suitable employment for an Avro RJ85 on those slots.
With a decent schedule form JER, a JER route would allow good - and most importantly - quick connections to places like AMS, RTM, GVA, PAR, SXB, EIN, NCE, LUX, DUB, EDI, MAN or DND on top of the local traffic.
If a Cityjet service would replace the existing daily VLM flight, we would be looking at only 50 additional seats a day. However, the big question really is how long 30 seater flights into LCY will last. Given the high fees, the economics must be quite terrible, and with a certain percentage of connceting traffic, yields will be even poorer unless AF is able to charge sky-high connecting fares from JER to the banking community. It will probably also depend on the fate of the existing LER-LHR link. IIRC from the Jersey-thread, there are rumours that it might face the axe.
With a decent schedule form JER, a JER route would allow good - and most importantly - quick connections to places like AMS, RTM, GVA, PAR, SXB, EIN, NCE, LUX, DUB, EDI, MAN or DND on top of the local traffic.
If a Cityjet service would replace the existing daily VLM flight, we would be looking at only 50 additional seats a day. However, the big question really is how long 30 seater flights into LCY will last. Given the high fees, the economics must be quite terrible, and with a certain percentage of connceting traffic, yields will be even poorer unless AF is able to charge sky-high connecting fares from JER to the banking community. It will probably also depend on the fate of the existing LER-LHR link. IIRC from the Jersey-thread, there are rumours that it might face the axe.
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I would hope that City Airport would ensure they have a good mix of traffic. A wider spread of routes would benefit them more longer term than a third "me-too" operator on Zurich, for example, has done.
Jersey-London is a good business route mornings and evenings (look at all those banks, solicitors, etc in St Helier), with tourist traffic in the middle of the day. It also, compared to other UK domestic destinations like Newcastle, has a high proportion of O&D traffic rather than less-yielding connectors, but there are sufficient of those as well to other CityJet destinations to occupy some empty seats. VLM's once-daily off-peak operation, although just a fill-in from their mainstream business routes, does not meet this nee at all; I am surprised it has lasted as long as it has.
I would encourage Scot/CtyJet to go for 3xdaily Jersey, based from there. I'd also suggest that CityJet use them for some of their lower-load midday flights rather than an RJ. You would have to keep this to the non-competitive routes.
Jersey-London is a good business route mornings and evenings (look at all those banks, solicitors, etc in St Helier), with tourist traffic in the middle of the day. It also, compared to other UK domestic destinations like Newcastle, has a high proportion of O&D traffic rather than less-yielding connectors, but there are sufficient of those as well to other CityJet destinations to occupy some empty seats. VLM's once-daily off-peak operation, although just a fill-in from their mainstream business routes, does not meet this nee at all; I am surprised it has lasted as long as it has.
I would encourage Scot/CtyJet to go for 3xdaily Jersey, based from there. I'd also suggest that CityJet use them for some of their lower-load midday flights rather than an RJ. You would have to keep this to the non-competitive routes.
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I personally believe that routes from LCY to Jersey, Guernsey and the IOM should be encouraged. The three islands are large respectable financial centres. Guernsey and Jersey both manage to sustain flights to ZRH and GVA on a daily basis and between the Channel Islands and the IOM, according to the IOM stats it seems that up to double daily between the two is also popular. Im sure at least double daily flights to all three islands from LCY would be sustainable at business prices. I beleive Scot/BlueIslands/Cityjet/Eastern should all be looking carefully at these options.
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Agree completely in principle with last 2 posters, except the problem of slots. I believe Eastern looked at IOM-LCY for a time after EMX departure but couldn't get the slots for their aircraft; and not sure any of the routes could sustain 70+ seaters 
Disappointing though as it's a great loss for the IOM...
Disappointing though as it's a great loss for the IOM...
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BACF will start there additional EDI Frequencys and it's second daily NCE flights on the 08th Sept. According to BA.COM It says that flights will operate using and RJ85.
However BA's 2 RJ85's are scheduled to operate the ZRH and MAD services. Does anyone know where this aircraft is coming from. Infact if it has been sourced yet ??
However BA's 2 RJ85's are scheduled to operate the ZRH and MAD services. Does anyone know where this aircraft is coming from. Infact if it has been sourced yet ??
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Has the BA Flightline aircraft gone tech?
I flew KLM to AMS this evening and noticed Flightline's G-FLTB parked at the end of the rub way. Did it go tech and does this explain why there were again a variety of BA delays, which caused some overcrowding?
Also I overheard that one plane into City had diverted to Southend because of a shortage of fuel. Was this a BA Plane from Madrid?
Also I overheard that one plane into City had diverted to Southend because of a shortage of fuel. Was this a BA Plane from Madrid?
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Was the southend diversion today?
I was due to fly MUC-GVA-LCY on tuesday on the 21:35 arrival into LCY and apparently the previous flight had been diverted meaning the a/c wouldn't have time to operate my flight.
So Swiss kindly sent me on LH MUC-LHR and told me to get the tube!
I was due to fly MUC-GVA-LCY on tuesday on the 21:35 arrival into LCY and apparently the previous flight had been diverted meaning the a/c wouldn't have time to operate my flight.
So Swiss kindly sent me on LH MUC-LHR and told me to get the tube!
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Re: Has the BA Flightline aircraft gone tech?
Have asked a mate at BACF in EDI,
BA8727 From GLA was diverted to SEN. Unsure of reason. Pax coached to LCY. Possibly a tech problem.
BA8728 to GLA was delayed 2hrs 45 min awaiting a aircraft to operate service. Aircraft used was either the late ZRH or DUB arrival.
He said when he left work yesterday it looked like a BACF RJ100 was going to operate the DUB due 146 tech.
A couple of the 15-20 mins delays where caused by ATC into LCY last night.
No MAD diversion. Just delayed due to crew hours that have been a knock on effect since Wednesday.
BA8727 From GLA was diverted to SEN. Unsure of reason. Pax coached to LCY. Possibly a tech problem.
BA8728 to GLA was delayed 2hrs 45 min awaiting a aircraft to operate service. Aircraft used was either the late ZRH or DUB arrival.
He said when he left work yesterday it looked like a BACF RJ100 was going to operate the DUB due 146 tech.
A couple of the 15-20 mins delays where caused by ATC into LCY last night.
No MAD diversion. Just delayed due to crew hours that have been a knock on effect since Wednesday.
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That doesn't quite explain the BA/Flightline aircraft dumped in the weeds in front of the Jet Centre yesterday. It was there at lunchtime, and Frankdjs describes it above as still there in the evening.
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Our DUB aircraft (flightline 146) was on a remote stand when I left LCY at 1920uk to Frankfurt.
On approach to LCY we saw one of our aircraft at Southend. Don't know the exact reason why.
Big delay's into LCY last night and ATC didn't know the reason. We got slowed down as far out as overhead Brussel to minimum clean spead and had to hold at Logan. Took us 2 hours block time to get to LCY! And we were not the only one that night.
On approach to LCY we saw one of our aircraft at Southend. Don't know the exact reason why.
Big delay's into LCY last night and ATC didn't know the reason. We got slowed down as far out as overhead Brussel to minimum clean spead and had to hold at Logan. Took us 2 hours block time to get to LCY! And we were not the only one that night.
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LCY & ExCeL Centre
I see the Excel centre near the airport is going to double in size. Good news passengers wise for LCY then? And can anyone confirm if LCY has it's new WiFi in operation? I am travelling through there again next week.
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Not only is the Excel expanding but the extension is on the land towards LCY so it will be even quicker to walk between the two. The distance between the west end of the jet centre apron and the Excel building will become just a few hundred metres; it's coming right up to the Ramada hotel. Will a connection be built ?
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BACF add LYS and GVA ex LCY and 5th GLA rotation
Just found this announcement on BA.COM
From 15 December 2008, passengers will be able to take advantage of two new winter snow destinations, Geneva and Lyon direct from London City airport. This will bring the total number of destinations from London City Airport to 12.
With effect from 27 October 2008 we will be increasing our daily frequency to Glasgow from 4 to 5 flights a day.
Can't seen to find the LYS/GVA flights in booking system. Anyone any ideas when the flights are timetabled to operate??
From 15 December 2008, passengers will be able to take advantage of two new winter snow destinations, Geneva and Lyon direct from London City airport. This will bring the total number of destinations from London City Airport to 12.
With effect from 27 October 2008 we will be increasing our daily frequency to Glasgow from 4 to 5 flights a day.
Can't seen to find the LYS/GVA flights in booking system. Anyone any ideas when the flights are timetabled to operate??