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Late delivery of number 3 EMB195
Due to the late delivery of the third EMB195 the company is leasing in an ATR72 to cover very odd cannt afford a jet to do this?.
Am I missing something how can you say a Turbo Prop can cover for a Jet aircraft the seating of the two aircraft are differant any way.
Are Flybe losing the plot big time or is this just a little or very big glitch?
Am I missing something how can you say a Turbo Prop can cover for a Jet aircraft the seating of the two aircraft are differant any way.
Are Flybe losing the plot big time or is this just a little or very big glitch?
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This sounds like a minor short-term issue to me. The ATR72 is perfectly adequate to fill the gap on a route such as BHX-BHD (on which the E195 flies) until the new aircraft is available. Range is not an issue and the flying time penalty is probably limited to around 10 minutes. The jet / prop flight-time differential is minor on most of FlyBe's network.
I'm not saying that BHX-BHD is necessarily amongst the routes directly affected - I don't know FlyBe's plan - but much of the airline's network matches the criteria of this example. It seems to me that FlyBe is acting responsibly towards its customers by leasing in capacity to make good the shortfall caused by the delivery delay. Some companies would not do this.
This sounds like a minor short-term issue to me. The ATR72 is perfectly adequate to fill the gap on a route such as BHX-BHD (on which the E195 flies) until the new aircraft is available. Range is not an issue and the flying time penalty is probably limited to around 10 minutes. The jet / prop flight-time differential is minor on most of FlyBe's network.
I'm not saying that BHX-BHD is necessarily amongst the routes directly affected - I don't know FlyBe's plan - but much of the airline's network matches the criteria of this example. It seems to me that FlyBe is acting responsibly towards its customers by leasing in capacity to make good the shortfall caused by the delivery delay. Some companies would not do this.
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Where handling for FLYBE and BACon are different anyone heard who they'll go with? I know JER is handled by servisair for FLYBE and airline services/aviance combination for BACon.
Does anyone know if there will be further expansion by Flybe from CWL in the near future?
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Chairmans Announcement
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Too be totaly the flybe by April 2007, Talks with the unions went well for CC. So, when will the fully published time tables come out?
The enigeering announcement will come out on Monday at manchester, especialy mentioning IOM.
Too be totaly the flybe by April 2007, Talks with the unions went well for CC. So, when will the fully published time tables come out?
The enigeering announcement will come out on Monday at manchester, especialy mentioning IOM.
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I have been told by a friend who was told by someone at Easy, that they a specifically targeting BA Connect pilots for recruitment ahead of all other applications, so as to try and shaft Flybe as much as possible. How's that for strategy.
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Emb195
On a differant note we understand the EMB 195 delivery for the next aircraft is 240 days behind schedule but why and what are we doing if anything?
If this is correct how on earth is the company going to go into the summer programe with this sort of delay with the new aircraft??
Will we servive?? Gloria Gaynor said I will servive but will we??
If this is correct how on earth is the company going to go into the summer programe with this sort of delay with the new aircraft??
Will we servive?? Gloria Gaynor said I will servive but will we??
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Why not 240 days
The company are bring in at least two of the Air Atlantique ATR fleet for the next ten weeks, this would take it to the end of march and the full hopefully changeover over the B.A. Connect deal so that is seventy days to start.
The had a Danish ATR the week before on a weeks lease
When the B.A. Connect deal finishes there could well be a number of Dash Eight 300 operating for a number of weeks after.
Not looking to bright for the new jet jockies at the moment it might be some time before they have ther hands on the third one.
The company are bring in at least two of the Air Atlantique ATR fleet for the next ten weeks, this would take it to the end of march and the full hopefully changeover over the B.A. Connect deal so that is seventy days to start.
The had a Danish ATR the week before on a weeks lease
When the B.A. Connect deal finishes there could well be a number of Dash Eight 300 operating for a number of weeks after.
Not looking to bright for the new jet jockies at the moment it might be some time before they have ther hands on the third one.
Story I heard a coupke of weeks ago was that delivery delays to the EMB 195 were now two months due to relocation of the wing jigs. Anyone else heard similar or is this not correct?
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Flybe have been on the local news tonight regarding the new owners of the airport. They intimated that AMS frequency could be expanded and that they use SOU to test new routes and subject to them being popular they hope to copy them in EXT within the year. We know DUS is coming soon, be nice if a couple more German cities came as well as somewhere like Prague or Copenhagen.
The new owners are keen to market the airport to northern Europe and the guy from RCA said they were working hard with BE to get this happening. Can't help but think they are putting all their eggs into one basket, why not get another airline to have a base?
The new owners are keen to market the airport to northern Europe and the guy from RCA said they were working hard with BE to get this happening. Can't help but think they are putting all their eggs into one basket, why not get another airline to have a base?
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Flybe Aircraft
I notice from Jethro's that two 146-200's have recently gone to Southend
(AW & AY) but AS is still flying in and out of BHX (today in fact) yet it's
time was supposed to be up in December.
Have flybe managed to put back the return of the 146-200's (I think there are two left) and is there any intention to lease in anything other than the ATR's, as previously mentioned?
My concern is with the BHX summer schedule as there is quite a lot of
cross-over with BACON routes and will the axe fall even more than
first anticipated?
OP
(AW & AY) but AS is still flying in and out of BHX (today in fact) yet it's
time was supposed to be up in December.
Have flybe managed to put back the return of the 146-200's (I think there are two left) and is there any intention to lease in anything other than the ATR's, as previously mentioned?
My concern is with the BHX summer schedule as there is quite a lot of
cross-over with BACON routes and will the axe fall even more than
first anticipated?
OP
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To my knowledge Flybe now just have the one remaining 146-200 in the fleet. G-JEAS is owned and not leased, hence it still being about.
3 or 4 of the 146-300's are also owned so I guess Flybe will try to work out if there are buyers for these, or arrange for them to be parted out as a last resort. In the interim there is little cost associated to flying these hulls and so providing the operating costs are covered and they can afford the thirsty fuel bills, all is good for Flybe!
3 or 4 of the 146-300's are also owned so I guess Flybe will try to work out if there are buyers for these, or arrange for them to be parted out as a last resort. In the interim there is little cost associated to flying these hulls and so providing the operating costs are covered and they can afford the thirsty fuel bills, all is good for Flybe!
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Delivery
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This is keeping it simple the makers of the wings for the aircraft have changed and this has caused delays to the next EMB195 for Flybe.
The amout of delay so far as mensioned before os at least 240 days which I understand will be more so on the bases it might not be before 2008.
Is that simple enough?
As we know in Aviation things change from week to week and Flybe will want compensation in some way so who knows what will turn up to do some of the planned EMB routes out of Sou this summer
From information passed on there has been a number of ATR aircraft operating for them out of Sou already this year so there must be more to come
This is keeping it simple the makers of the wings for the aircraft have changed and this has caused delays to the next EMB195 for Flybe.
The amout of delay so far as mensioned before os at least 240 days which I understand will be more so on the bases it might not be before 2008.
Is that simple enough?
As we know in Aviation things change from week to week and Flybe will want compensation in some way so who knows what will turn up to do some of the planned EMB routes out of Sou this summer
From information passed on there has been a number of ATR aircraft operating for them out of Sou already this year so there must be more to come
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I think you'll see the next E195 much sooner. Not sure where the 240days has come from.
The new one should be with Flybe within the next couple of months, and is expected in service sometime around the start of the coming summer season.
The new one should be with Flybe within the next couple of months, and is expected in service sometime around the start of the coming summer season.