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Not as far as I am aware.
It is a shame really as it is not particularly sensitive information either
(well not as much as yield data) but I suppose there would be additional costs separating the data.
Pete
Not as far as I am aware.
It is a shame really as it is not particularly sensitive information either
(well not as much as yield data) but I suppose there would be additional costs separating the data.
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Flybe New routes
New routes from BHX
Split Sat only
Dubrovnik Tue,Thu,Sat
Hamburg (former BACON) only once a day with mid day timing.
GLA and EDI onsale for summer but NO sign of 10 a day shuttle that has been sited on website??
Daza
Split Sat only
Dubrovnik Tue,Thu,Sat
Hamburg (former BACON) only once a day with mid day timing.
GLA and EDI onsale for summer but NO sign of 10 a day shuttle that has been sited on website??
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Only a guess but is the Split just selling off surplus seats on a flight that is for a tour operator? Perhaps even the Dubrovnik as well? I know these routes have been operated before for specialist tour ops.
Only a guess but is the Split just selling off surplus seats on a flight that is for a tour operator? Perhaps even the Dubrovnik as well? I know these routes have been operated before for specialist tour ops.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Split is just taking on empty seats from the IT. At least Dubrovnik does get a Tuesday and Thursday rotation.
Not surprised at the loss of Malaga, Alicante, Faro & Murcia but I don't
understand why Perpignan has been lost (Unless all of these are going
to be released later).
All the French routes took a battering and I assume that it was down
to Ryanair at East Mids (Dinard, Carcassonne etc).
Toulouse is down on Summer 2006 at four a week but Belfast City
is back to seven a day Monday to Friday.
So as expected still only five based aircraft until the BACON purchase
is complete.
Pete
Not surprised at the loss of Malaga, Alicante, Faro & Murcia but I don't
understand why Perpignan has been lost (Unless all of these are going
to be released later).
All the French routes took a battering and I assume that it was down
to Ryanair at East Mids (Dinard, Carcassonne etc).
Toulouse is down on Summer 2006 at four a week but Belfast City
is back to seven a day Monday to Friday.
So as expected still only five based aircraft until the BACON purchase
is complete.
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Yet more routes!! 
Mind you BHX needs 'em!!
Looking at the website I would say that both Split and the Sun Dubrovnik are just surplus seats on an already nearly full tour operator booked aircraft - prices are sky high (between £130-150 single) yet the Tues/Thurs Dubrovniks start at about £15 single! Still shouldn't be moaning, a last a brave move by a loco at BHX to tread where no one has before (well since the good old days of JAT at least!) I think both have the potential to do well...........am not in the least surprised that the BE have left the Spanish routes, with Baby and Monarch thats more than enough capacity. What does anyone think about the remaining BACON routes, especially those that are BACON only????? I can see MAD and MXP staying, not sure about TXL, STR, LYS and GVA (as a year round flight), which would leave a dent in schedules despite recent new route announcements.
Interesting times ahead - and why no PGF from BE? Lets hope thats still to be released, its not on from SOU either and i'm sure they did it from there last summer. PS amazed that we still have La Rochelle and Bergerac, can they survive yet another summer onslaught by Ryanair at NEMA? Oh yeah, any more on Jet Airways?? Or are they just another Qatar...........
Mind you BHX needs 'em!! Looking at the website I would say that both Split and the Sun Dubrovnik are just surplus seats on an already nearly full tour operator booked aircraft - prices are sky high (between £130-150 single) yet the Tues/Thurs Dubrovniks start at about £15 single! Still shouldn't be moaning, a last a brave move by a loco at BHX to tread where no one has before (well since the good old days of JAT at least!) I think both have the potential to do well...........am not in the least surprised that the BE have left the Spanish routes, with Baby and Monarch thats more than enough capacity. What does anyone think about the remaining BACON routes, especially those that are BACON only????? I can see MAD and MXP staying, not sure about TXL, STR, LYS and GVA (as a year round flight), which would leave a dent in schedules despite recent new route announcements.
Interesting times ahead - and why no PGF from BE? Lets hope thats still to be released, its not on from SOU either and i'm sure they did it from there last summer. PS amazed that we still have La Rochelle and Bergerac, can they survive yet another summer onslaught by Ryanair at NEMA? Oh yeah, any more on Jet Airways?? Or are they just another Qatar...........
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OK so I need glasses, PGF has been released from SOU making it I would assume unlikely from BHX this summer . Perhaps room for the Baby to grow a bit more as they already do it from MAN?
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Yes not sure why Perpignan was picked on more than the others but
Baby could squeeze it in between the Amsterdam's or three a week
when the MRS does not operate. Was this not rumoured?
As for Bacon routes, if it all goes ahead I would think Stuttgart might
stay 2 a day, Lyon will probably be one a day, Dusseldorf 2-3,
Frankfurt? (they will probably want to keep the slots they have).
Geneva I reckon will go & not sure about Berlin (again Baby filed for
slots in Summer 05).
Paris I am sure they will keep at 4 or 5 a day and Milan at two.
Barcelona will be interesting with Baby on the route but of course
they hold great slots (I assume they don't have to give them back).
Madrid hopefully will carry on although could it be a complete
Spanish pullout?
Don't forget wasn't some Eastern European routes promised?
Pete
Baby could squeeze it in between the Amsterdam's or three a week
when the MRS does not operate. Was this not rumoured?
As for Bacon routes, if it all goes ahead I would think Stuttgart might
stay 2 a day, Lyon will probably be one a day, Dusseldorf 2-3,
Frankfurt? (they will probably want to keep the slots they have).
Geneva I reckon will go & not sure about Berlin (again Baby filed for
slots in Summer 05).
Paris I am sure they will keep at 4 or 5 a day and Milan at two.
Barcelona will be interesting with Baby on the route but of course
they hold great slots (I assume they don't have to give them back).
Madrid hopefully will carry on although could it be a complete
Spanish pullout?
Don't forget wasn't some Eastern European routes promised?
Pete
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Pete - (and anyone else that knows)
Sitting on the website now and I can see a "summer 07" logo for ALC but cant get past March 07.
Does anyone KNOW anything please. Gonna try and play catchup and book with WW and MON if nothing is going to happen. This summers Fri 15:10 slot was great to get home and back on a Sunday evening - any thoughts ???
Sitting on the website now and I can see a "summer 07" logo for ALC but cant get past March 07.
Does anyone KNOW anything please. Gonna try and play catchup and book with WW and MON if nothing is going to happen. This summers Fri 15:10 slot was great to get home and back on a Sunday evening - any thoughts ???
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CVTDog
Both Malaga & Alicante are listed on the homepage with an * and the
explanation states travel on and before 27/3/07 and see website for
later (or similar). I would say it is not looking good and of no surprise.
Ian.
Yes of course, they are both definitely in Eastern Europe but four a week
and two of them are possibly pseudo charters is certainly pushing it a bit on the promotional side but I suppose technically correct!!!!!!!!!!
Pete
Both Malaga & Alicante are listed on the homepage with an * and the
explanation states travel on and before 27/3/07 and see website for
later (or similar). I would say it is not looking good and of no surprise.
Ian.
Yes of course, they are both definitely in Eastern Europe but four a week
and two of them are possibly pseudo charters is certainly pushing it a bit on the promotional side but I suppose technically correct!!!!!!!!!!
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CDG
Wasnt there a clause when Flybe ceased operating the CDG flights for Air France that they could not opertate the flights in their own name for a certain amount of time or did I just imagine that.
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Confused by FlyBe message from BHX
Had a e-mail last night announcing Summer 2007 sale in banner headline. Underneath in a panel "Sun Specials" from Birmingham it lists Bergerac (new) Alicante & Malaga
As you rightly state Pete, their booking page only goes to March 07
So I sent there customer relations dept a swift e-mail for clarification and got this repsonse :
Thank you for your email.
I regret to note any dissatisfaction felt with our new timetable. The decision is made by the commercial planning department not to continue the service from Birmingham to Alicante for commercial reasons. Whilst we have no current plans to re-introduce this service you may be assured your comment have been forwarded to those concerned.
Yours Sincerely
Customer Relations.
Better get on with BMI & Mon now - no Friday afternoon flights so thats my weekends messed up
Wish they could have told us earlier -
As you rightly state Pete, their booking page only goes to March 07
So I sent there customer relations dept a swift e-mail for clarification and got this repsonse :Thank you for your email.
I regret to note any dissatisfaction felt with our new timetable. The decision is made by the commercial planning department not to continue the service from Birmingham to Alicante for commercial reasons. Whilst we have no current plans to re-introduce this service you may be assured your comment have been forwarded to those concerned.
Yours Sincerely
Customer Relations.
Better get on with BMI & Mon now - no Friday afternoon flights so thats my weekends messed up
Wish they could have told us earlier -
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CVTDog
At least they have finally cleared that up and I am going to do the same
with Perpignan as this was on my Summer 2007 shortlist.
I know it is of no consolation to you but at least losing Malaga and
Alicante for BHX is not as bad as some others and as many predicted
it is of no surprise.
Good luck with booking and I will post any reply I get from flybe re
Perpignan etc.
Pete
At least they have finally cleared that up and I am going to do the same
with Perpignan as this was on my Summer 2007 shortlist.
I know it is of no consolation to you but at least losing Malaga and
Alicante for BHX is not as bad as some others and as many predicted
it is of no surprise.
Good luck with booking and I will post any reply I get from flybe re
Perpignan etc.
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Confirmed as gone, another extremely prompt reply from flybe
customer relataions: -
Thank you for your email
At present, Flybe intend to operate the current BA Connect schedule however any new routes will be announced on the Flybe website. At present, we do not have any plans to reinstate the Perpignan service however your comments have been forwarded to our Commercial Planning Department for information.
Yours sincerley
Customer Relations
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One for baby? Certainly room in their current 2007 schedule?
Pete
customer relataions: -
Thank you for your email
At present, Flybe intend to operate the current BA Connect schedule however any new routes will be announced on the Flybe website. At present, we do not have any plans to reinstate the Perpignan service however your comments have been forwarded to our Commercial Planning Department for information.
Yours sincerley
Customer Relations
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One for baby? Certainly room in their current 2007 schedule?
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CO reduction
I think we're seeing the effects of years of under investment in BHX now. BHX are charging a premium price (4th in the WORLD was it?) for a substandard product. The international pier is just horrendous, and when business pax are paying alot of money to fly with you, those grotty little lounges must put airlines right off.
Then there's the old runway extension (how long has it dragged on for?), it's obvious that yields reduce outside the capital and freight is probably the main way to compensate for this.
Also CO at BHX has usually been more expensive than MAN or London, I would guess the reason is to recuperate the charges levied.
A recent comment from BHX management entitled 'BHX a significant alternative to Heathrow'
'At the moment, 56 percent of people that are from [the airport's] catchment area use other airports - Gatwick, Heathrow, Manchester - because we do not have the route network.'
Morris said that more long-haul routes are on the cards for the airport. Plans for a runway expansion would permit 'direct flights to China, south-east Asia and the western USA'. He added: 'There is no need for an obsession with Heathrow when many of its users come from more than 100 miles away.'
but how can they expect to get the route network without investment in the infrastructure?
I think BHX is in a catch 22 situation, it needs the money from the airlines to make a major investment, but without major investment it's doubtful many airlines would be interested unless the price was right. Something has to give sooner or later because if BHX aren't prepared to offer what they want, others will. Who'd have thought a few years ago that EMA's long haul IT network would equal, probably even surpass BHX's?
Given that the management seemingly will settle for less paying more than more paying less I can see it getting worse before it gets better.
Then there's the old runway extension (how long has it dragged on for?), it's obvious that yields reduce outside the capital and freight is probably the main way to compensate for this.
Also CO at BHX has usually been more expensive than MAN or London, I would guess the reason is to recuperate the charges levied.
A recent comment from BHX management entitled 'BHX a significant alternative to Heathrow'
'At the moment, 56 percent of people that are from [the airport's] catchment area use other airports - Gatwick, Heathrow, Manchester - because we do not have the route network.'
Morris said that more long-haul routes are on the cards for the airport. Plans for a runway expansion would permit 'direct flights to China, south-east Asia and the western USA'. He added: 'There is no need for an obsession with Heathrow when many of its users come from more than 100 miles away.'
but how can they expect to get the route network without investment in the infrastructure?
I think BHX is in a catch 22 situation, it needs the money from the airlines to make a major investment, but without major investment it's doubtful many airlines would be interested unless the price was right. Something has to give sooner or later because if BHX aren't prepared to offer what they want, others will. Who'd have thought a few years ago that EMA's long haul IT network would equal, probably even surpass BHX's?
Given that the management seemingly will settle for less paying more than more paying less I can see it getting worse before it gets better.
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As a regular plane spotter & SLF, at BHX since I was knee high to a grasshopper, I've heard lots of stories about different airlines who want to come to BHX, but are put off due to shortness of runway/landing charges/lack of terminal space etc.
So I've resigned myself to the fact that BHX will never get the runway extension it so badly needs. This is due to the local NIMBYS who will protest about anything connected to BHX. They moan saying that there will be an increase in noise, pollution etc.....
If you don't like it MOVE HOUSE!!
(Or if you live close enough, take up the offer that BHX gave you for buying your property, & go live somewhere far far away!)
BHX has been there for many many years, why buy a house next to or near and airport? Didn't they notice the planes when they signed the contract?!!!
But the ironic things is, when these's NIMBY'S want to visit Aunty Jean in USA/NZ/Auz, they'll be the first to moan about having to travel to LHR/LGW?MAN etc when they got an airport "right on there doorstep!"
And due to the current management team at BHX pandering to NIMBY's, the only new routes that BHX will be able to attract will be new European destinations!
Sorry for the rant but its been buiding up for 20+ years!!
Best Wishes
Adam
So I've resigned myself to the fact that BHX will never get the runway extension it so badly needs. This is due to the local NIMBYS who will protest about anything connected to BHX. They moan saying that there will be an increase in noise, pollution etc.....
If you don't like it MOVE HOUSE!!
(Or if you live close enough, take up the offer that BHX gave you for buying your property, & go live somewhere far far away!)
BHX has been there for many many years, why buy a house next to or near and airport? Didn't they notice the planes when they signed the contract?!!!
But the ironic things is, when these's NIMBY'S want to visit Aunty Jean in USA/NZ/Auz, they'll be the first to moan about having to travel to LHR/LGW?MAN etc when they got an airport "right on there doorstep!"
And due to the current management team at BHX pandering to NIMBY's, the only new routes that BHX will be able to attract will be new European destinations!
Sorry for the rant but its been buiding up for 20+ years!!
Best Wishes
Adam
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I used to work at BHX too, worked in the Bond Warehouse for 5 years with A*PHA!
Sad thing is that its like that at every major airport in UK!
Heathrow, new runway & T5,
Gatwick, 2nd runway (yes I know about how they can't have a 2nd runway till 20**!)
Manchester, how long did it take them to build there 2nd runway?
Stansted, 2nd runway refused!
And all the time our European neighbours get bigger & bigger!
At Amsterdam, if you have to take off from the new runway, thats a long taxi time till you actually get to it!!
Best Wishes
Adam
Sad thing is that its like that at every major airport in UK!
Heathrow, new runway & T5,
Gatwick, 2nd runway (yes I know about how they can't have a 2nd runway till 20**!)
Manchester, how long did it take them to build there 2nd runway?
Stansted, 2nd runway refused!
And all the time our European neighbours get bigger & bigger!
At Amsterdam, if you have to take off from the new runway, thats a long taxi time till you actually get to it!!
Best Wishes
Adam
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I too worked for A*PHA in duty paid/free in the EUROHUB 95-98 and Servisair 98-00, since then I have worked out of LTN, LGW and LHR for my last and current airline. The prob with BIA Management compared to some is that they live a bubble thinking all is going swimmingly. Granted, there seems to be more short expansion than there has been for quite a while, but until they sort out the runway extension, constantly failing baggage belt facilties (causing pax delays), massive queues at security during peak times, may big players in the airline world will over look us.