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I certainly hope that by summer 2007 BHX will have at least 4 BE "Jets", as you say Frankfurt (if kept, which I am sure they will), Milan and to a lesser extent Paris probably need the 195 or at least 143.
Dusseldorf I fear will be a Dash 8 and if they are going to be tight on
aircraft I would not be surprised to see frequency reductions.
I wonder if there will be any reaction from Lufthansa, rich pickings one
thinks for the business end of the plane or have these people already
moved when BACON began?
Pete
I certainly hope that by summer 2007 BHX will have at least 4 BE "Jets", as you say Frankfurt (if kept, which I am sure they will), Milan and to a lesser extent Paris probably need the 195 or at least 143.
Dusseldorf I fear will be a Dash 8 and if they are going to be tight on
aircraft I would not be surprised to see frequency reductions.
I wonder if there will be any reaction from Lufthansa, rich pickings one
thinks for the business end of the plane or have these people already
moved when BACON began?
Pete
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I will not post the link as I know its been removed once from the flybe/BA Connect thread. But if you go to the Flybe web site click news then regional press releases you will find another link to NCL.
I will not post the link as I know its been removed once from the flybe/BA Connect thread. But if you go to the Flybe web site click news then regional press releases you will find another link to NCL.
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Well Easyjet were considering using one of their new Madrid aircraft to introduce MAD - ACE (Lanzarote), so the idea of flying to the Canary Islands isn't completely foreign to them.
Cesare, about Ryanair introducing 5 destinations from TFN, does that mean DUB, GRO and 3 others? I would say that one will definitely be MAD. They were considering it already (i.e. applied for slots).
Looks like FUE is going to be a bigger winner also in this deal as Ryanair seem to be forming the habit of flying from bases on a 1-3-5-7 frequency to TFN and -2-4-6- to FUE
Cesare, about Ryanair introducing 5 destinations from TFN, does that mean DUB, GRO and 3 others? I would say that one will definitely be MAD. They were considering it already (i.e. applied for slots).
Looks like FUE is going to be a bigger winner also in this deal as Ryanair seem to be forming the habit of flying from bases on a 1-3-5-7 frequency to TFN and -2-4-6- to FUE
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Have just read in a past issue of "Airports" that BHX has the distinction of being the world's fourth most expensive airport as far as landing fees are concerned.
No. 1 Toronto
No. 2 Kansai
No. 3 Narita
No. 4.... Brum!
Find the odd one out!
At least Kansai and Narita have world-class facilities (plus Kansai was built on an artificial island etc.). Toronto is one of Canada's major gateways. But Brum? That, in a nutshell, is the problem with BIA (mis)management: they live on another planet!
Now the ever-decreasing PAX figures make complete sense!
Local rumour has it that heads will roll in the marketing dept (if one can call it that). About bl***y time too!
Rant over (for tonight)!
Cheers
No. 1 Toronto
No. 2 Kansai
No. 3 Narita
No. 4.... Brum!
Find the odd one out!
At least Kansai and Narita have world-class facilities (plus Kansai was built on an artificial island etc.). Toronto is one of Canada's major gateways. But Brum? That, in a nutshell, is the problem with BIA (mis)management: they live on another planet!
Now the ever-decreasing PAX figures make complete sense!Local rumour has it that heads will roll in the marketing dept (if one can call it that). About bl***y time too!
Rant over (for tonight)!
Cheers
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with the FlyBE/BACON merger, I wonder if Sunair will continue flying the Billund - Birmingham route which is currently code-shared with BA? (could be the only chance of seeing an aircraft in BA colours at BHX!)
Also, I presume Eastern, SN Brussels (or whatever they're going to be called) & Sunair (if they stay) will have to find new handling agents as they're currently handled by BA.
Also, will FlyBE take over the hangar currently leased by BACON or will it now go empty & the airport will use it to store ground equipment in it.
Fried Chicken
Also, I presume Eastern, SN Brussels (or whatever they're going to be called) & Sunair (if they stay) will have to find new handling agents as they're currently handled by BA.
Also, will FlyBE take over the hangar currently leased by BACON or will it now go empty & the airport will use it to store ground equipment in it.
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Just a small point if I may. The Birmingham 2 thread had reappeared briefly a little earlier and there was mention of increased Cork-Birmingham Aer Lingus flights next year. As much as it would be very welcome it looks like EI are to stay at 4 weekly on ORK-BHX for next summer. A pity as daily would do just fine. Beats me why EI want to put 5 a week on the restored ORK-MAN and leave BHX at 4 when Birmingham has a history almost always doing better than MAN from/to Cork. Ah, well, they know better at EI and as for the wisdom of having no Friday flight from Cork to Manchester my head is just spinning! 
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EI Cork
Does this mean the increase on the Cork is a comparison between summer 2006 and summer 07 and ignoring the fact that it is already 4 a week this winter?
Four a week is definitely an increase on summer 06 but certainly not on winter 06. This is the kind of press release I am more used to seeing from FR & BE, technically correct in one sense but you need to read the small print!!!!
I would have thought that EI could have gone daily if not 5 a week.
Pete
Ps. Have I had a hard night but is there Newcastle posts included in this thread? I'm off for another sleep
Four a week is definitely an increase on summer 06 but certainly not on winter 06. This is the kind of press release I am more used to seeing from FR & BE, technically correct in one sense but you need to read the small print!!!!
I would have thought that EI could have gone daily if not 5 a week.
Pete
Ps. Have I had a hard night but is there Newcastle posts included in this thread? I'm off for another sleep
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Dont think EI were spinning it about more ORK-BHX next summer, it was just mentioned here on Pprune FM! Anyway, as for now it is four weekly ex Cork to BHX next summer as per this season's winter schedule. Yes, daily would be obvious to do but there you go and it is all about utilisation of scarce resources. Only for the 5th Airbus, eh!?
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I hear from the Rock that FlyBe will be stepping up to a double daily out of BHD in March
into IOM (wonder if they'll resusitate the old flight numbers) then onto BHX. This'll cause some grief for EuroManx 
who operates a badley timed 2x dayly servis presentley and will also impact on Eastern's 3x daily into BHX. But with Dash8 replacing 30 seaters should push prices down and capacity up
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into IOM (wonder if they'll resusitate the old flight numbers) then onto BHX. This'll cause some grief for EuroManx who operates a badley timed 2x dayly servis presentley and will also impact on Eastern's 3x daily into BHX. But with Dash8 replacing 30 seaters should push prices down and capacity up .
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Oh well at least it is good for the BHX publicity and media relations department.
It has solved one of their big headaches as the excuse box was empty for the poor passenger figures.
May 2007 ditto May 2008.
The drop in passengers figures this month is due to the rationalisation of the BAcon and flybe operations, however there was strong groth in the following areas...............
It has solved one of their big headaches as the excuse box was empty for the poor passenger figures.
May 2007 ditto May 2008.
The drop in passengers figures this month is due to the rationalisation of the BAcon and flybe operations, however there was strong groth in the following areas...............
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The shareholders (or some of them) seemed to think their BACON Cash Cow was going to last forever - despite blinding evidence to the contrary! As I said earlier, the BACON/Flybe tie-up will now force them to come into the real world. 
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Does anybody know anything about the Italian invasion tomorrow??
Check out all of these:
08:30 NO 5530 Milan/Malpensa
08:45 FHE 6920 Naples
08:45 XLA 4305 Rome-Fiumicino
08:50 FHE 6934 Pisa
09:00 4R 8014 Turin
09:00 XLA 4277 Rome-Fiumicino
09:00 TOM 8093 Rome-Fiumicino
09:10 TOM 8191 Genoa
All depart again in the evening!
Anyone know anything about QR starting next year? Been reading about it all over the place but no announcement as yet!
Oh and btw, all those slating the Marketing department at BHX, you obviously don't know these people. They all try really hard to attract new airlines and routes, just look at the last few years: EK, AI, WW and ZB! And so passenger figures are going down at the moment, what can the Marketing team do if their hands are tied by the top brass and shareholders????
Check out all of these:
08:30 NO 5530 Milan/Malpensa
08:45 FHE 6920 Naples
08:45 XLA 4305 Rome-Fiumicino
08:50 FHE 6934 Pisa
09:00 4R 8014 Turin
09:00 XLA 4277 Rome-Fiumicino
09:00 TOM 8093 Rome-Fiumicino
09:10 TOM 8191 Genoa
All depart again in the evening!
Anyone know anything about QR starting next year? Been reading about it all over the place but no announcement as yet!
Oh and btw, all those slating the Marketing department at BHX, you obviously don't know these people. They all try really hard to attract new airlines and routes, just look at the last few years: EK, AI, WW and ZB! And so passenger figures are going down at the moment, what can the Marketing team do if their hands are tied by the top brass and shareholders????
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Don't know about the Italian job! There doesn't seem to be anything too obvious at the NEC.
I agree with you (up to a point) about the Marketing dept, but if you are right then the top tier of management should be unceremoniously sacked for allowing the situation to develop as it has at BHX.
And whilst not wishing to be too negative about the airlines you mentioned it simply isn't enough in such a growth area with so few destinations served from BHX. And whilst airlines like other companies make decisions on a commercial basis why so many duplications?
The fact that the UK's second city has only one Bona Fide trans-atlantic air link is a disgrace, of methinks BHX's (mis)managment team. I just wonder how much they get paid for their ongoing failiures.
I agree with you (up to a point) about the Marketing dept, but if you are right then the top tier of management should be unceremoniously sacked for allowing the situation to develop as it has at BHX.
And whilst not wishing to be too negative about the airlines you mentioned it simply isn't enough in such a growth area with so few destinations served from BHX. And whilst airlines like other companies make decisions on a commercial basis why so many duplications?
The fact that the UK's second city has only one Bona Fide trans-atlantic air link is a disgrace, of methinks BHX's (mis)managment team. I just wonder how much they get paid for their ongoing failiures.
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Italian Job & October Pax
Reported on a local forum as Italian Car Company charters.
Needed them last month by the look of it - another woeful performance apparently at 826k down 7.7%.
Pete
Needed them last month by the look of it - another woeful performance apparently at 826k down 7.7%.
Pete
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Summer 2007 timetable shows 5 flights a day in the week as per now
and summer 06. However when you try to book there are six a day
but all AR8's no 319's.
Tried all months and it was the same, which is suspicious as August usually sees only three a day.
Pete
and summer 06. However when you try to book there are six a day
but all AR8's no 319's.
Tried all months and it was the same, which is suspicious as August usually sees only three a day.
Pete
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Marketing/Pax/Bean Counters
From the outside it is difficult to know who to blame (Market or Bean)
but at present there is a lack of or too much choice with some routes
- 15 EdI's a day (okay soon to change) but no Rome, Stockholm etc etc.
However it is not all doom and gloom, still over 9 Million pax, 2 Dubai's
a day and yes Management did hang on to BA's coat-tails for far too long
but if the rumours are correct they were actually trying to do
something about it before the BA/BE announcement (not just Baby).
Add a few Eastern European, Italian flights, one more transatlantic and perhaps Qatar and I think matters would be a whole lot different.
Ideally Easy would be a good alternative (FR is never going to happen)
to add competition to BE & WW but that is just wishful thinking .
Pete
but at present there is a lack of or too much choice with some routes
- 15 EdI's a day (okay soon to change) but no Rome, Stockholm etc etc.
However it is not all doom and gloom, still over 9 Million pax, 2 Dubai's
a day and yes Management did hang on to BA's coat-tails for far too long
but if the rumours are correct they were actually trying to do
something about it before the BA/BE announcement (not just Baby).
Add a few Eastern European, Italian flights, one more transatlantic and perhaps Qatar and I think matters would be a whole lot different.
Ideally Easy would be a good alternative (FR is never going to happen)
to add competition to BE & WW but that is just wishful thinking
.Pete
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Just my opinion but,
I think that 2008 may be the best bet for any real improvement for BHX. By that time the BA/BE situation will be sorted out fully and there will be at least 1 more transatlantic operator (DL,NW,US,AA?) and then another Middle eastern operator (most likely QR). With all of the recent transatlantic expansion I was very surprised to see BHX not taken up by any of them, but are CO going double daily again next year? I know they lost a packet last time they did that!
It's going to be an interesting time though to see what routes BE keep of BA's and if anyone will take over any they drop. Could we see Click to BCN and MAD, AF doing LYS, more LH from FRA, DUS and new routes to TXL, HAM, STR or more HLX if not and AZ back to do MXP and FCO?? And what are WW going to do? More GLA and EDI i guess and perhaps increasing on their exciting routes like PMI, AGP, ALC!!!
I think that 2008 may be the best bet for any real improvement for BHX. By that time the BA/BE situation will be sorted out fully and there will be at least 1 more transatlantic operator (DL,NW,US,AA?) and then another Middle eastern operator (most likely QR). With all of the recent transatlantic expansion I was very surprised to see BHX not taken up by any of them, but are CO going double daily again next year? I know they lost a packet last time they did that!
It's going to be an interesting time though to see what routes BE keep of BA's and if anyone will take over any they drop. Could we see Click to BCN and MAD, AF doing LYS, more LH from FRA, DUS and new routes to TXL, HAM, STR or more HLX if not and AZ back to do MXP and FCO?? And what are WW going to do? More GLA and EDI i guess and perhaps increasing on their exciting routes like PMI, AGP, ALC!!!