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Look Fred. Flybe deserted the Rock nearly 2 years ago and if they had wanted to come back and take it over they could have done so at any time. Their return is only by default due to the BA take over. So whether or not the IOM fits in with their overall plans, who knows, but you can be pretty sure that if it doesn't then they'll be off. There are a lot of far more lucrative markets and routes around.
But.........Euromanx has got to be vulnerable if flybe was to move in. It's been too inactive and appears to be running on inertia. As GMIMA and Tinwald have said, it's going to be interesting for 'Rock' watchers over the next six to nine months and who knows what surprises are in store. Blackpool, though, is third division stuff and surely best left to the minnows - which could include the Euros, I suppose.
And what about Eastern?
But.........Euromanx has got to be vulnerable if flybe was to move in. It's been too inactive and appears to be running on inertia. As GMIMA and Tinwald have said, it's going to be interesting for 'Rock' watchers over the next six to nine months and who knows what surprises are in store. Blackpool, though, is third division stuff and surely best left to the minnows - which could include the Euros, I suppose.
And what about Eastern?
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What the IOM needs is some sort of commitment from one of the airlines.......I know in the past i have slatted Euro Manx, however, they are the only airline who seems to be promoting the IOM and they are becoming stable at last
It would be nice to see the IOM Government get involved and give them some help like the old MANX AIRLINES. When manx airlines was set up in Nov 1982, the IOM Gov waivred land fees and additional costs and help manx borrow money for reinvestment Etc.
If flybe put 3 Dash 8s on the IOM ie, LGW, MAN, BHX i cant see eastern competing on the IOM BHX route for one who can compete with £80 return!
HOPE ALL THE LADS AND GIRLS IN THE hangar AT IOM GET SORTED SOON WITH JOBS ETC
It would be nice to see the IOM Government get involved and give them some help like the old MANX AIRLINES. When manx airlines was set up in Nov 1982, the IOM Gov waivred land fees and additional costs and help manx borrow money for reinvestment Etc.
If flybe put 3 Dash 8s on the IOM ie, LGW, MAN, BHX i cant see eastern competing on the IOM BHX route for one who can compete with £80 return!
HOPE ALL THE LADS AND GIRLS IN THE hangar AT IOM GET SORTED SOON WITH JOBS ETC
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Yessir, that littel t***pot from Oxford is going to have another go from the island of aviation dreamers. Take a look at the thread Alpha One. 10/10 for persistance, 0/10 for any crediblity here on the rock. Can't people like him be put down - somewhere? Course, believe it when it happens. Yessir.
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G-MIMA, I can assure you that while the Manx Government gave the 'old MANX AIRLINES' absolute support at the time it was set up and in subsequent years - in particular Tom Corlett (Airport Director), 'Jack' Nivison (neither of these gentlemen are still with us, but their contibution and friendship was both very much appreciated and highly valued) and the rest of the Airport Board they were not involved in the airline's financing and standard landing fees etc were paid until the Farecracker initiative was launched (on which there was a concession negotiated at the airline's initiative) to the resulting benefit of the airport, airline and travelling public (the first UK loco operation ?)
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It's just a shame that the IOM Govt. didn't do a thing to help or protect Manx when the owners floated it and got their 20 years worth of investment in time and effort turned into cash.
The one thing that's stayed constant is that the crews that flew the LHR route, are the same crews that fly the BACON 146-100 to LGW and they'll be the same crews that fly the Flybe 146 to LGW after the dust settles.
A very recent rumour is that the BACON Dash8Q300 will be replaced in the new year with an Embraer 145. This will stay until a Q400 arrives sometime in the future, but the likelihood will be a 146 and an Emb145 in Flybe colours for most of next year, handled by Manx Regional and operating the schedule as it is now. Not confirmed, but there is strong belief that all the BACON Dash8 Q300 will be disposed of ASAP as the crews can be retrained quickly onto the Q400.
So, same faces and same service. The big difference is that he same crews have faced uncertainty, worry, the friends and colleagues around them looking at redundency and having to swap uniform and badges more times in 4 years than they can remember. It's a miracle they still smile at all.
The question is will Euromanx ever become an Island company? It definitely looks Austrian to me. Not exactly home grown. Flybe has strong presence in Guernsey, Jersey and in Belfast. I think they are well aware of how to serve Islands well. They left 2 years ago because the LCY route only warrants small aircraft like the 35 seater mostly, and they were beginning to rationalise the fleet and move to the Q400, something that is not suited to IOM-LCY.
Charging for baggage is not my idea of warm old fashioned service, but it rationalises the costs as they are charged for baggage handling and the costs are transferred appropriately. For day return Business travel, that's surely fairer?
I still don't think the LGW route will go to a Q400, because the holds are not able to cope with the freight and courier which is both lucrative and takes virtually half the -100's holds as it is.
The one thing that's stayed constant is that the crews that flew the LHR route, are the same crews that fly the BACON 146-100 to LGW and they'll be the same crews that fly the Flybe 146 to LGW after the dust settles.
A very recent rumour is that the BACON Dash8Q300 will be replaced in the new year with an Embraer 145. This will stay until a Q400 arrives sometime in the future, but the likelihood will be a 146 and an Emb145 in Flybe colours for most of next year, handled by Manx Regional and operating the schedule as it is now. Not confirmed, but there is strong belief that all the BACON Dash8 Q300 will be disposed of ASAP as the crews can be retrained quickly onto the Q400.
So, same faces and same service. The big difference is that he same crews have faced uncertainty, worry, the friends and colleagues around them looking at redundency and having to swap uniform and badges more times in 4 years than they can remember. It's a miracle they still smile at all.
The question is will Euromanx ever become an Island company? It definitely looks Austrian to me. Not exactly home grown. Flybe has strong presence in Guernsey, Jersey and in Belfast. I think they are well aware of how to serve Islands well. They left 2 years ago because the LCY route only warrants small aircraft like the 35 seater mostly, and they were beginning to rationalise the fleet and move to the Q400, something that is not suited to IOM-LCY.
Charging for baggage is not my idea of warm old fashioned service, but it rationalises the costs as they are charged for baggage handling and the costs are transferred appropriately. For day return Business travel, that's surely fairer?
I still don't think the LGW route will go to a Q400, because the holds are not able to cope with the freight and courier which is both lucrative and takes virtually half the -100's holds as it is.
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Hey fella! if you're after a job in BA's PR department you've missed the boat. And whatever you're on, keep taking it 'cos you'll have helluvva shock when you wake up from your dream and smell that there coffee. Yessir
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Fred - free coffee with the Redtails. The Irish mob has done no good to the Island's air services since thay came on the scene - s......ed things right royally, they have. Yessir!
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Agree with that Tinny, the sooner they return to Dublin the better for everyone on FrazzleRock. Presume the pending arrival of FlyMayBe on LGW and MAN has got everyone in a twitch and re-aligning in advanse of March. Any sign yet of there final plans for the MAN timetable? I'd heard 146 on LGW with EMB145 initially on Man while BA baby dash crews retrain onto Dash8Q400s which will then go onto 4x rotations MAN, 3x LPL, 2x BHX and single daily BHD?
Agree with that Tinny, the sooner they return to Dublin the better for everyone on FrazzleRock. Presume the pending arrival of FlyMayBe on LGW and MAN has got everyone in a twitch and re-aligning in advanse of March. Any sign yet of there final plans for the MAN timetable? I'd heard 146 on LGW with EMB145 initially on Man while BA baby dash crews retrain onto Dash8Q400s which will then go onto 4x rotations MAN, 3x LPL, 2x BHX and single daily BHD?
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Well Fred, there's lots of rumours circling the Rock at present and yours seem to be the same as that fella flapoperator's. Meself, can't see it. Them there big Dash's can't be economic to run on tiddly runs like Liverpool and Belfast and Manchester. Can't be any money in them compared to when you take a look at the big routes flybe go to. If it did happen though them Redtails had better watch out, yessir!
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FlyBe plans
My spys 
on Frazzle Rock tell me that FlyMaybe will be installing a 146 for LGW and Emb 145 to do MAN as they can then take on local engineering support as BAcon engineering look after these two planes on the rock but not the Q400. Aparentley decision on second 145 for LPL is still pending
. All to happen in March supposedley. ?
on Frazzle Rock tell me that FlyMaybe will be installing a 146 for LGW and Emb 145 to do MAN as they can then take on local engineering support as BAcon engineering look after these two planes on the rock but not the Q400. Aparentley decision on second 145 for LPL is still pending . All to happen in March supposedley. ?
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The BE plan linked from another thread shows a 145 and 146 based in IOM but c'mon Fred, do you really see a 145 being able to compete with a 70 seat ATR72 on Liverpool, where the flight times will be very similar? A 145 on Birmingham would be interesting for you though
That said, wouldn't it be really interesting if BE made a pitch for Euromanx and became the Rock's Favourite (and maybe only) Airline?
The BE plan linked from another thread shows a 145 and 146 based in IOM but c'mon Fred, do you really see a 145 being able to compete with a 70 seat ATR72 on Liverpool, where the flight times will be very similar? A 145 on Birmingham would be interesting for you though
That said, wouldn't it be really interesting if BE made a pitch for Euromanx and became the Rock's Favourite (and maybe only) Airline?
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It would seem the 145/146 info was corect then? Can you atatch the link pls?
I guess the jet on LPL theory is for 2 reasons.
Some people would pay more to fly on a jet than an ATR 
and if you want to become the rock's favourite airline all you'd need to do is hit them red tails very hard on LPL and MAN. It seems that Club328 is retrencshing as well so maybe Euro's parent companiy
is losing its enthuseyasm for aviation?
It would seem the 145/146 info was corect then? Can you atatch the link pls?
I guess the jet on LPL theory is for 2 reasons.
Some people would pay more to fly on a jet than an ATR and if you want to become the rock's favourite airline all you'd need to do is hit them red tails very hard on LPL and MAN. It seems that Club328 is retrencshing as well so maybe Euro's parent companiy is losing its enthuseyasm for aviation?