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Taxes and charges
I see Euromanx have totally dropped their fule surcharge but their taxes and charges per sector have shot up to £28 single. Has any background to this been published - I cant find anything on their website?
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As much as "fule surcharges" have anything to do with actual fuel prices, "taxes and charges" airlines charge have anything to do with the actual taxes and charges they pay to the authorities. It is just a different way to hide what the real fare is.
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All airlines are tax collectors of the £10 per passenger Airport Passenger Duty which goes to the treasury UK and IOM.
All airports charge per passenger for each departing passenger. This can range from £12-£16 on the IOM.
See http://www.iom-airport.com/lib/docs/...ternal0708.pdf
So if taxes and charges are more than £30 there is something else in there.
Euromanx charges are in line with competition probably to make easier fare comparisons. If fares off IOM are less than £20 then the airline is paying towards the tax or planes with less 20 seats do not attract the governments APD.
Off the IOM it is a lottery for Taxes & Charges
BA - £21.50, Emx £28.00 and flybe £33.50 Eastern £27.00
Where does this APD go!
All airports charge per passenger for each departing passenger. This can range from £12-£16 on the IOM.
See http://www.iom-airport.com/lib/docs/...ternal0708.pdf
So if taxes and charges are more than £30 there is something else in there.
Euromanx charges are in line with competition probably to make easier fare comparisons. If fares off IOM are less than £20 then the airline is paying towards the tax or planes with less 20 seats do not attract the governments APD.
Off the IOM it is a lottery for Taxes & Charges
BA - £21.50, Emx £28.00 and flybe £33.50 Eastern £27.00
Where does this APD go!
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If you read the charges document you'll see that a rebate scheme operates and if the load factor is 81-100% there's a 75% rebate. Thus if the 'plane is full, the airline pockets most of the charge. It is of course designed to incentivise the airlines to fill the 'planes, which requires low lead-in fares, which keeps the travelling public happy etc.
From an administration stand point why don't they just charge a flat rate?
Much simpler to administer and transparent to the punter. (I guess though it was designed by one of those consultant chappies who specialise in creating mobile phone tarrifs and the like
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From an administration stand point why don't they just charge a flat rate?
Much simpler to administer and transparent to the punter. (I guess though it was designed by one of those consultant chappies who specialise in creating mobile phone tarrifs and the like
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I have never been a fan of EMX having been let down by them too often in the past, but having suffered the hell hole at is LGW south terminal over 3 times over the last 3 weeks, I thought I'd give LCY a try for a day trip this week - until I saw their prices.
EMX to LCY 13/4 £426
FLYBE to LGW 13/4 £230
I'm sure that EMX have seen a mass migration of LGW regulars since BA exited IOM (after all, no more BA miles, lounge access or tier points) but this price differential is just too great.
EMX to LCY 13/4 £426
FLYBE to LGW 13/4 £230
I'm sure that EMX have seen a mass migration of LGW regulars since BA exited IOM (after all, no more BA miles, lounge access or tier points) but this price differential is just too great.
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Cheaper ways to London
It's more hassle but I've booked to go to LGW next week via Manx2 to Belfast for £68 return plus easyJet £23.99 out £22.99 return. Less than £115 all in!
LHR was also available via BHD (8x daily) and Baby at less than £100 return.
LHR was also available via BHD (8x daily) and Baby at less than £100 return.
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With the changes that'll be happening later this summer to Flybe's IOM based fleet, (can't say any more right now) the costs will surely enable FlyBE's lead in fares to be extended to loads more cheap fares should be available, if you can stand Pier 1 at LGW that is!
As I can't get any further than the airbridge, just how bad is it in there? The main shopping part is OK, it's only the pier that is old and grotty and that's due to be knocked down and redeveloped next year I believe.
Surely it's worth putting up with for a good safe flight, professional LOCAL crew with loads of experience and knowledge and a good operator with safe practices, regulations and modern aircraft..bye bye 146 soon enough?
Your Manx Airlines trained staff are still there to fly you safely and now also back to on time as well, well, mostly.
At least we don't re-schedule flights. If it's late, it's late. We say sorry and work as hard as possbile to get you there as soon as we can. The food's pretty good as well, equal value to M&S or Boots,etc. Even the crew food is better, yippee! You can spill tomato juice on it and not notice now!
As I can't get any further than the airbridge, just how bad is it in there? The main shopping part is OK, it's only the pier that is old and grotty and that's due to be knocked down and redeveloped next year I believe.
Surely it's worth putting up with for a good safe flight, professional LOCAL crew with loads of experience and knowledge and a good operator with safe practices, regulations and modern aircraft..bye bye 146 soon enough?
Your Manx Airlines trained staff are still there to fly you safely and now also back to on time as well, well, mostly.
At least we don't re-schedule flights. If it's late, it's late. We say sorry and work as hard as possbile to get you there as soon as we can. The food's pretty good as well, equal value to M&S or Boots,etc. Even the crew food is better, yippee! You can spill tomato juice on it and not notice now!
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Well, if your looking to upset people thats the way to do it. 
Looking around me I am surrounded by "REAL MANX" EX MANX AIRLINES STAFF that have been in aviation for a very long time, Pilots included.
The average age of the fleet is 7 years old. so how is that not modern...
What ever your agenda is I wish you luck.
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Looking around me I am surrounded by "REAL MANX" EX MANX AIRLINES STAFF that have been in aviation for a very long time, Pilots included.
The average age of the fleet is 7 years old. so how is that not modern...
What ever your agenda is I wish you luck.
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Incident at LPL
I hear tell of an incident at LPL yesterday (Fri) with the ATR. Undercarriage problems? Led to long delays this morning on LPL again with the aircraft still tech and irate punters late for Aintree. Any facts on the incident anyone?
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Sorry HBB, yes, there are a few Ex manx folk at EMX too. I have always stated I reckon theres a place for both companies at IOM, I wouldn't like to see what some state around me, because I've got friends who work for EMX and I wouldn't want what's happened to those still (just) working for BACON to happen to them.
7 years, eh? Perhaps it's the paint, but when the FLybe Q4's arrive, the paint will only be dry on them!
7 years, eh? Perhaps it's the paint, but when the FLybe Q4's arrive, the paint will only be dry on them!
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I just hope your experiences are better with those new aircraft than SAS's were (and continue to be) when their shiny new Q400's had appalling despatch reliability.
What are the benefits of LGW for the businessman? It was bad enough when those monkeys who mismanaged BA Connect decided to rip the businessman off by charging the same fares for less service, but now we have FlyBe and the awful South terminal to deal with.
Euromanx won my business last year by providing a reliable service to LCY (which I use frequently), and by being flexible. For short and long haul transfer its Euromanx to MCR, then onward either direct or through CDG or AMS.
I sincerely hope FlyBe is successful not least for the IOM based crews and staff who were shafted by the aforementioned Didsbury monkeys but I can't help but think they are another airline who will have no hesitation in dropping IOM routes as soon as more profitable ones appear - lets face it it wouldn't be the first time.
I just hope your experiences are better with those new aircraft than SAS's were (and continue to be) when their shiny new Q400's had appalling despatch reliability.
What are the benefits of LGW for the businessman? It was bad enough when those monkeys who mismanaged BA Connect decided to rip the businessman off by charging the same fares for less service, but now we have FlyBe and the awful South terminal to deal with.
Euromanx won my business last year by providing a reliable service to LCY (which I use frequently), and by being flexible. For short and long haul transfer its Euromanx to MCR, then onward either direct or through CDG or AMS.
I sincerely hope FlyBe is successful not least for the IOM based crews and staff who were shafted by the aforementioned Didsbury monkeys but I can't help but think they are another airline who will have no hesitation in dropping IOM routes as soon as more profitable ones appear - lets face it it wouldn't be the first time.
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They didn't drop the route, but passed it on to EMX because they couldn't make money from it and EMX thought they could.
Remember, for the next year, the LGW route is a codeshare with BA, so you can still book with BA for longhaul and save on the shorthaul part, collect air miles and use the BA lounge once you're through the South Terminal part if you've chosen the right ticket.
The Monkeys at Didsbury you speak of were only that, they didn't grind the organ themselves, that was done at waterworld.
The FlyBe changes are settling down a bit now, so reliability is improving gradually, and the Q400 reliability is also a lot better than it was. I can't think of any regional type that hasn't suffered problems in it's first years, and the Q4 is no worse than many. We won't get new'uns anyway, the crews at Exeter get to shake them down for a bit before they head out to outstations, especially as they have several brand new spares sat outside for when they do fall over
You choose EMX for reliable service? Fine. As I say, I hope there's room for both operators. You can be through South Terminal quickly enough, and it saves time getting to the train station from North Terminal anyway. There's plenty of good longhaul operators besides BA at Gatwick, the four rotations suit many of them perfectly.
I even use LCY once in a while as sometimes, it suits me too. Competition, eh? It just doesn't suit Manx traditions really.
Remember, for the next year, the LGW route is a codeshare with BA, so you can still book with BA for longhaul and save on the shorthaul part, collect air miles and use the BA lounge once you're through the South Terminal part if you've chosen the right ticket.
The Monkeys at Didsbury you speak of were only that, they didn't grind the organ themselves, that was done at waterworld.
The FlyBe changes are settling down a bit now, so reliability is improving gradually, and the Q400 reliability is also a lot better than it was. I can't think of any regional type that hasn't suffered problems in it's first years, and the Q4 is no worse than many. We won't get new'uns anyway, the crews at Exeter get to shake them down for a bit before they head out to outstations, especially as they have several brand new spares sat outside for when they do fall over
You choose EMX for reliable service? Fine. As I say, I hope there's room for both operators. You can be through South Terminal quickly enough, and it saves time getting to the train station from North Terminal anyway. There's plenty of good longhaul operators besides BA at Gatwick, the four rotations suit many of them perfectly.
I even use LCY once in a while as sometimes, it suits me too. Competition, eh? It just doesn't suit Manx traditions really.
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In an issue of Horions, their in-flight magazine (me thinks) John Seymour is on record saying that he is looking forward to further UK domestic expansion of EuroManx. Where this is to or when it will happen is anyones guess. My thought was that it could be Luton. However that would risk diluting there City route passenger numbers
. Only a thought. Anybody got any ideas?? 
. Only a thought. Anybody got any ideas??
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3W flight to LPL this afternoon delayed 'indefinately' due technical problems apparently.
The mothers first trip off the Island in years and her flights delayed!!
Anyone know what's up with it?
RR
The mothers first trip off the Island in years and her flights delayed!!
Anyone know what's up with it?
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'In an issue of Horions, their in-flight magazine (me thinks) John Seymour is on record saying that he is looking forward to further UK domestic expansion of EuroManx. Where this is to or when it will happen is anyones guess. My thought was that it could be Luton. However that would risk diluting there City route passenger numbers . Only a thought. Anybody got any ideas?? '
I too was surprised no-one took up Luton this summer. Doesn't the VLM sit around all day at IOM? From Aer Arran & BA to nothing was strange. I know the RE base at LTN was costly but previously it was operated without LTN based aircraft. As an exIOM-LTN regular, I can tell you that it was a full mix of passengers so wouldn't cut into anyone’s existing LCY route very much. I can sit in hope that the route will reappear in the future.
. Only a thought. Anybody got any ideas?? 'I too was surprised no-one took up Luton this summer. Doesn't the VLM sit around all day at IOM? From Aer Arran & BA to nothing was strange. I know the RE base at LTN was costly but previously it was operated without LTN based aircraft. As an exIOM-LTN regular, I can tell you that it was a full mix of passengers so wouldn't cut into anyone’s existing LCY route very much. I can sit in hope that the route will reappear in the future.
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Seymour is often full of hot air with his grand expansion plans and new aircraft but none of them ever come to fruition.
It's all just to keep the staff and shareholders happy.
It's all just to keep the staff and shareholders happy.
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Mon - Fri VLM's LCY is scheduled into IOM at 0955 and departing at 1610. according to their website. As they operate nothing else out of IOM this means the aircraft is sat around for about 6 hours!
(a) parking at IOM is a whole lot cheaper than LCY (and cheaper at JER as well 'cos there's another aircraft there all day as well)
(b) the crew gets to work a 12+ hour day thanks to the rest