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Aer Lingus
I dunno has anyone noticed but Aer Lingus are dropping Berlin from 3 weekly to just 2 weekly. There will be an extra rotation to Malaga instead, bringing Malaga to 5 weekly. From what I heard Berlin was doing fine, is Malaga doing really well to justify cutting frequency from Berlin. I suppose the new schedules prove that a fifth A320 is now very unlikely
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Ork - Sxf
The timetable doesn't really make sense either:
ORK - SXF 0715 - 1045
SXF - ORK 2140 - 2300
And DUB - SXF is being reduced to once daily, and it is with a DUB based aircraft...
ORK - SXF 0715 - 1045
SXF - ORK 2140 - 2300
And DUB - SXF is being reduced to once daily, and it is with a DUB based aircraft...
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I reckon its a mistake. By 2140 they mean 1140 and by 2300 they mean 1300. Dublin is getting a second flight from June but its being operated by a Dublin based aircraft
I reckon its a mistake. By 2140 they mean 1140 and by 2300 they mean 1300. Dublin is getting a second flight from June but its being operated by a Dublin based aircraft
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The ramp at Cork was impressive on this Thursday evening. Even though this morning's Central Wings flight from Wroclaw operated in on time and the outbound flight to Krakow also left in good time the return flight back to Cork was delayed by four hours not arriving back at Cork until just after 9 pm after an aircraft change in Krakow. What an aircraft change though. Cant remember which one but she was one of the remaining Central Wings aircraft still in almost the full LOT colours so this evening at Cork we had 737s of Central Wings (LOT colours), CSA and Malev all on the ramp at the same time! A fine sight.
More seriously, Cesare asks a good question above about Ryanair and Cork. At Cork Ryanair seems almost institutionally incapable of any imagination preferring instead to go down a reactionary path. Last year on introduction of the Cork base with just the one aeroplane it seems the project was to destroy easyJet's operation to Cork from Gatwick. Ryanair spent a huge amount of money on this and they eventually won through this summer and easyJet are now gone from both the Cork market and from Knock and snn.
This winter Ryanair are giving their attention to Aer Arann on the Cork to Dublin route by Ryanair's introduction of a fourth daily flight to Dublin much later in the evening following the dropping of the 2nd daily Cork - Gatwick flight. How well four Cork to Dublin flights will do with 189 seaters remains to be seen but it fails me to understand why the second Gatwick flight in the evening was not a winner as it must surely have been?? Guess that Ryanair may argue the reintroduction of the FR907/8 from Stansted will soak up what would have been the business from the second Gatwick flight?
As Charlie Roy mentions above there would be so many, many potential new routes possible from Cork for Ryanair without ever harming any of the Shannon business but it is so far no from Ryanair and yes to their ultimately cynical reactionary negativity. You really could be forgiven for thinking that Ryanair have an agenda against Cork Airport? However, wonder will they reintroduce a full daily service from Liverpool just for spite on the strength of EI introducing a Manchester flight?
I have some more news too by the way but I am tired now and want to hit the hay so yez will have to wait a little longer for that so maybe tomorrow if I am in the mood!
More seriously, Cesare asks a good question above about Ryanair and Cork. At Cork Ryanair seems almost institutionally incapable of any imagination preferring instead to go down a reactionary path. Last year on introduction of the Cork base with just the one aeroplane it seems the project was to destroy easyJet's operation to Cork from Gatwick. Ryanair spent a huge amount of money on this and they eventually won through this summer and easyJet are now gone from both the Cork market and from Knock and snn.
This winter Ryanair are giving their attention to Aer Arann on the Cork to Dublin route by Ryanair's introduction of a fourth daily flight to Dublin much later in the evening following the dropping of the 2nd daily Cork - Gatwick flight. How well four Cork to Dublin flights will do with 189 seaters remains to be seen but it fails me to understand why the second Gatwick flight in the evening was not a winner as it must surely have been?? Guess that Ryanair may argue the reintroduction of the FR907/8 from Stansted will soak up what would have been the business from the second Gatwick flight?
As Charlie Roy mentions above there would be so many, many potential new routes possible from Cork for Ryanair without ever harming any of the Shannon business but it is so far no from Ryanair and yes to their ultimately cynical reactionary negativity. You really could be forgiven for thinking that Ryanair have an agenda against Cork Airport? However, wonder will they reintroduce a full daily service from Liverpool just for spite on the strength of EI introducing a Manchester flight?
I have some more news too by the way but I am tired now and want to hit the hay so yez will have to wait a little longer for that so maybe tomorrow if I am in the mood!
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Heard that Cork have now resorted to turning off the air conditioning at off peak times in order to save money and that the real board i.e (The DAA) will not even allow the CAA to purchase a few new baggage trolley's.
Also the 3m mark is unlikely to be reached but that the CAA will reach the target budgeted for at the start of the year whatever that was.
The huge overheads associated with the new terminal coupled with the anticipated sharp reduction in full paying London flights is putting Cork under serious financial pressure. Others revenue earners such as BMI Regional, Loganair and CSA are withdrawing.
Almost all of the expansion is being carried out by airlines on freebies.
What are the chances of Cork becoming the 1st State airport to be privatised. Where else is it going to get funding for future investment?
Also the 3m mark is unlikely to be reached but that the CAA will reach the target budgeted for at the start of the year whatever that was.
The huge overheads associated with the new terminal coupled with the anticipated sharp reduction in full paying London flights is putting Cork under serious financial pressure. Others revenue earners such as BMI Regional, Loganair and CSA are withdrawing.
Almost all of the expansion is being carried out by airlines on freebies.
What are the chances of Cork becoming the 1st State airport to be privatised. Where else is it going to get funding for future investment?
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Ryan2000 - I would have no problem with the airport being privatised since the clowns running the show at the moment are obviously not doing a good job. To be honest, anyone who can deliver us from a situation where we have an airport grossly mismanaged and management (the CAA, the DAA, and the minister for transport) seemingly deaf to criticism, postitive or otherwise, then ANY alternative is a net positive. Ideally, I would like to see an arrangement where the airport is owned by the municipality and operated for the benefit of the Munster region (ie. operating profitably, but with a greater emphasis on developing pax numbers and routes that simply trying to stiff every customer for the max profit possible). Not as insane as it sounds, as many continental airports operate on a similar basis.
As a mere passenger who used the airport a lot, I believe there is simply a total lack of interest in the running of the airport by the staff, and an obvious lack of credible management from Dublin and their minions in Cork.
Finally, under normal circumstances, I could not really give a hoot what happens with FR and EI merger wise, although the thought of a monopoly in the air coupled with the present monopoly on the ground is one that does scare me. We were there before, remember, when it used to cost us a few month's salary to get to London on a schedule that was limited to say the least!
As a mere passenger who used the airport a lot, I believe there is simply a total lack of interest in the running of the airport by the staff, and an obvious lack of credible management from Dublin and their minions in Cork.
Finally, under normal circumstances, I could not really give a hoot what happens with FR and EI merger wise, although the thought of a monopoly in the air coupled with the present monopoly on the ground is one that does scare me. We were there before, remember, when it used to cost us a few month's salary to get to London on a schedule that was limited to say the least!
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Me too. I definitly would love if Denis O'Brien bought the airport, rid it of its debts, lower charges and attract new airlines!
For once, the ramp could be completely full! (with exception of the Munster final day, what a sight!)
For once, the ramp could be completely full! (with exception of the Munster final day, what a sight!)
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EI expansion
Serious questions must be asked as to why EI's plan to base a 5th aircraft at Cork next Summer have fallen through. It's difficult to see where any growth is going to come from if Ryanair and Aerlingus are not playing ball.
The occassional Polish route won't address the serious financial situation now facing Cork. Overheads at the new terminal are soaring.
The occassional Polish route won't address the serious financial situation now facing Cork. Overheads at the new terminal are soaring.
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Peronally I feel the new terminal prmises a lot but delivers less. It's cheaper to get a breakfast on Aer Lingus than in the restaurant.
There is a distinct lack of seating compared to before.
Coming back from Berlin today the buggy was delivered to Belt 4 without any comment - we weren't the only people staring at an empty belt wondering where the buggies were. Would it cost all that much to put more signs up ?The baggage hall seems to be tight on space at the ends but has plenty in the middle and the baggage trollies seem to be straight from the dark ages.
Only one ticket machine workingfor the long stay -the second one was broken on Tuesday morning and still broken today : not very efficient. In the car park itself there were iron rods (reinforcing iron) sticing out just beyond the kerbs and quite a few cars had fallen afoul of them.
Disappointed to hear about the Berlin route. Cork is better than Schonefeld though. Butthen again they are going todemolish it....
There is a distinct lack of seating compared to before.
Coming back from Berlin today the buggy was delivered to Belt 4 without any comment - we weren't the only people staring at an empty belt wondering where the buggies were. Would it cost all that much to put more signs up ?The baggage hall seems to be tight on space at the ends but has plenty in the middle and the baggage trollies seem to be straight from the dark ages.
Only one ticket machine workingfor the long stay -the second one was broken on Tuesday morning and still broken today : not very efficient. In the car park itself there were iron rods (reinforcing iron) sticing out just beyond the kerbs and quite a few cars had fallen afoul of them.
Disappointed to hear about the Berlin route. Cork is better than Schonefeld though. Butthen again they are going todemolish it....
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from the Cork Airport website today...a little box with the following. Says it all really.
"A PROBLEM OCCURED
If the problem persists please contact [email protected]"
"A PROBLEM OCCURED
If the problem persists please contact [email protected]"
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Privitisation
Without doubt it would be better for Cork to be sold off to some big airport group. At least they would know how to run an airport, and as the only major privetely run airport in the Republic, would give Shannon and even Dublin a run for their money. The current management haven't a clue and are basically being told what to do by the Dublin Airport authority. Will it take bankruptcy before the government will wake up to the fact that the current situation at Cork is turning out to be a complete disaster?
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Late on Tuesday evening the Cork RVR went down below CATII minima to 250 metres. Two Aer Arann flights, the RE637 from Dublin and the RE304 from Belfast both had to divert to Shannon. Two Aer Lingus flights that took up the hold at Cork both ended up also diverting to Shannon but, thankfully, after going to snn the Cork RVR went back up to 400 metres and after refuelling both Cork bound flights returned once more to Cork.
Some time after the Cork RVR went back down to 250 metres again! Got to get CATIIIA for Cork Airport, just got to!
Some time after the Cork RVR went back down to 250 metres again! Got to get CATIIIA for Cork Airport, just got to!
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How about the Aer Arann order for new ATR-72-500 series aircraft? At the very least this variant of the aircraft should be CAT II capable or even CATIII? Yes, I know the crews need to be firstly suitably qualified for low viz approaches but you would think that with such high capital costs for the welcome new aeroplanes the marginal cost of the having your crews signed off for such procedures would not be a prohibitive sum? Aer Arann have had a quite a few diversions from Cork in recent weeks and the knock on costs involved in my opinion would go a long way to pay for a lot of pilot qualifications for low viz landings at Cork.
In the meantime, there was an ad on the radio this morning for the Aer Arann Cork - Dublin service and it looks like RE are now offering a complementary tea/coffee service during the flights. The four Ryanair flights a day must be focusing minds in RE which amongst other things leads us nicely back to low viz procedures as well as price etc.
Wonder where the capacity from the soon to be dropped RE DUB-SNN service will go?
Any more to add to the story about Cork supposedly not having enough cash to buy some new baggage trolleys? Yet there is no stopping Dublin from having a new pier, new terminal and a new runway in the years ahead. What hope does Cork have with this kind of brother competitor in Dublin not to even mention Shannon and the stopover.
In the meantime, there was an ad on the radio this morning for the Aer Arann Cork - Dublin service and it looks like RE are now offering a complementary tea/coffee service during the flights. The four Ryanair flights a day must be focusing minds in RE which amongst other things leads us nicely back to low viz procedures as well as price etc.
Wonder where the capacity from the soon to be dropped RE DUB-SNN service will go?
Any more to add to the story about Cork supposedly not having enough cash to buy some new baggage trolleys? Yet there is no stopping Dublin from having a new pier, new terminal and a new runway in the years ahead. What hope does Cork have with this kind of brother competitor in Dublin not to even mention Shannon and the stopover.
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Well EI-RB lets just review what Cork has been so fortunate to get from DAA ( Aer Rianta)
A State of the Art New Terminal Building...... We lets say an Impressive New Terminal Building. Definitely not state of the art. Just read the earlier postings in this thread and you will see the extent of the drawbacks of the new building.
What we can say we were to have got was........
(1) A terminal capacity of 5Mil pax
(2) Aircraft Stand and Apron extensions
(3) A new Control Tower
(4) 4 new airbridges
(5) A new Cargo village
(6) Untimately a parallel taxiway for Runway 17/35
(7) A new autonomous local board to run the Airport
All for the pricely sum of €160Mil to be bourne by DAA.
What we did get was....
(1) A terminal capacity of 3Mil pax
(2) Much reduced apron extension than what was planned
(3) 1 Airbridge which STILL has not been comissioned.
(4) A cancellation of the plan for a new control tower
(5) A cancellation of the plan for a parallel taxiway
(6) A deferring of the cargo village
(7) A board of YES MEN who can't say boo without DAA authority
(8) A crippling Debt
All for the pricely overbudget sum of €200Mil
As for the new Board, they were APPOINTED by the Government AND the DAA, and have had their hands tied ever since in view of their lack of any autonomous authority. The DAA were also responsible for the continuous changing and cutting of the plans for the new Airport to such an extent that the original plans and the structure now standing bear very little resemblence.
So yet I suppose we should be over the moon with what we have got, AND we will be so happy to get the cast off trollies from DAA in January.
I only wish the Government/DAA also thought like you and said sell Cork off to private control - that way it would operate and develop its true potential without continuous hinderance from DAA and uncertainty from the Government.
A State of the Art New Terminal Building...... We lets say an Impressive New Terminal Building. Definitely not state of the art. Just read the earlier postings in this thread and you will see the extent of the drawbacks of the new building.
What we can say we were to have got was........
(1) A terminal capacity of 5Mil pax
(2) Aircraft Stand and Apron extensions
(3) A new Control Tower
(4) 4 new airbridges
(5) A new Cargo village
(6) Untimately a parallel taxiway for Runway 17/35
(7) A new autonomous local board to run the Airport
All for the pricely sum of €160Mil to be bourne by DAA.
What we did get was....
(1) A terminal capacity of 3Mil pax
(2) Much reduced apron extension than what was planned
(3) 1 Airbridge which STILL has not been comissioned.
(4) A cancellation of the plan for a new control tower
(5) A cancellation of the plan for a parallel taxiway
(6) A deferring of the cargo village
(7) A board of YES MEN who can't say boo without DAA authority
(8) A crippling Debt
All for the pricely overbudget sum of €200Mil
As for the new Board, they were APPOINTED by the Government AND the DAA, and have had their hands tied ever since in view of their lack of any autonomous authority. The DAA were also responsible for the continuous changing and cutting of the plans for the new Airport to such an extent that the original plans and the structure now standing bear very little resemblence.
So yet I suppose we should be over the moon with what we have got, AND we will be so happy to get the cast off trollies from DAA in January.
I only wish the Government/DAA also thought like you and said sell Cork off to private control - that way it would operate and develop its true potential without continuous hinderance from DAA and uncertainty from the Government.
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An excellent defining post, FlyCorkInternational. Says it all about the Cork Airport that we are all now left with for the future. Asianfly calls her the Ugly Sister of the Irish airports and sure enough there is speculation here she is to get some hand-me-downs trolleys from the DAA/Aer Rianta Dublin office in January. As was mentioned to me yesterday it would never be a hand-me-down CATIII ILS or something really useful, would it? Oh, no!
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Cork Letter
Letter in todays Irish Examiner outlining the list of airline withdrawals and frequency cutbacks at Cork in recent months.
Of course there have been some positive developments as well such as WIZZ, Centralwings and expansion by Aerlingus.
However the board must rethink its strategy if it's going to get any meaningful growth in the years ahead.
Cork must look at its costbase and accept that we are living in a low cost environment.
Of course there have been some positive developments as well such as WIZZ, Centralwings and expansion by Aerlingus.
However the board must rethink its strategy if it's going to get any meaningful growth in the years ahead.
Cork must look at its costbase and accept that we are living in a low cost environment.