STANSTED - 2

[daz211]

Just my thoughts nothing more nothing less.

I'm thinking a tie up with Ryanair and Norwegian

This is how it works in my head,
Norwegian move back to Stansted, Norwegian move most of their 737's to America and both airlines feed each other through major hubs ever side of the pond 😜

[SWBKCB]

Norwegian move most of their 737's to America

How does a Norwegian company do this?

[daz211]

It doesn't an Irish airline does, Norwegian International Airlines.
Norwegian already has B738's flying in the US.

[SWBKCB]

Fair enough - so an Irish company is flying domestic flights in the US? How does that work?

[daz211]

Like I say, this is how it works in my head, I'm not 100% on how it works but from what I remember Norwegian is flying B738's from BOS and JFK to the Caribbean for as little as $49.

[Shed-on-a-Pole]

Those Norwegian B738's are based on Islands in the French Caribbean which are technically part of the EU. So they are treated as a service originating in an EU nation-state. The USA is ideologically a long way from permitting foreign airlines to base their fleets at US airports.

[daz211]

Yes I see your correct.
But following Norwegian from a start up to large European Airline and now flying longhaul and from the Caribbean to the US mainland, what next ?
What is to stop the starting up an Airline in the US, Like Virgin did, seems to me as the next step in a long journey.

[Shed-on-a-Pole]

Norwegian couldn't just set up and register a US sister company under current ownership. US carriers require (predominantly) US-ownership to satisfy legal requirements. So a company such as Norwegian would require not just a US-partner, but one which would be prepared to take the lead on the joint-venture. And Norwegian would be very much the junior partner. Would that be an attractive proposition for their use of management time and resources? My guess is no.

Virgin America is quite different. "Virgin" is effectively a well-respected brand-name 'rented out' to companies with diverse interests and ownership. Virgin Atlantic has little association with Virgin America (or affiliates in Australia etc.). I'm not 100% certain, but I don't think they cooperate even at the level of connections and codeshares.

[daz211]

Ok so not to take over the STANSTED thread with just ambitious ideas
I'll end it hear but still think unless Ryanair start some kind of longhaul themselves I think some kind of tie with Norwegian is a good idea, let's wait and see what happens 👍

[EI-BUD]

Cheers flitefone,
Want having a go at you! I get your point.
I also tried the Gatwick connects service and I was very impressed with the easy of connecting between flights that were on separate tickets with different airlines. Saved me so much time and made my stop at LGW en route from Italy very pleasant.

EI-BUD

[STN Ramp Rat]

but why would Norwegian want to do this, they feed their own long haul operation from LGW, there is no way it would move.

with regards to long haul operations from STN, they might get a Gulf carrier with a daily flight but I don't see any US carriers wanting to start up.

[LTNman]

I have read that despite Stansted being London's third airport it is only attracting 3.3 million non Ryanair passengers to the airport. A lack of diversity comes to mind which must be an issue and a worry for MAG.

[whitelighter]

Yes, being the biggest hub for the worlds largest (by passenger volume) and probably most profitable airline must be very concerning

[Flitefone]

Originally Posted by EI-BUD

Cheers flitefone,
Want having a go at you! I get your point.
I also tried the Gatwick connects service and I was very impressed with the easy of connecting between flights that were on separate tickets with different airlines. Saved me so much time and made my stop at LGW en route from Italy very pleasant.

EI-BUD

Thanks BUD - change is coming for sure - my bet is still that either RYR or SWA will make a move, agree that Westjet a player at LGW for Canada - could see a tie up with EZY.. Maybe even Jetblue a potential for JFK-STN. Time will tell.

FF

[STN Ramp Rat]

Canadian carriers

The Gatwick - Canada market is a long established market and I don't see them moving any services to Stansted. the market at Gatwick is likely to be a bloodbath this year with Air Transat Westjet and Rouge are going to compete this summer. as yet the prices have not crashed.

Summer 16 is now on sale for all carriers so I don't see any new flights this summer that have not already been announced ... so we are a looking at a Winter 16 schedule at the earliest

[Shed-on-a-Pole]

Curtailment of holiday programmes to Egypt and Tunisia, plus poor bookings to Turkey reflecting customer anxiety towards Islamic resorts in general is resulting in a strong trend towards bookings to perceived "safe" destinations. Canada is perceived to be generally "safe". Charter programmes to Canada stand to benefit accordingly, as do those to Spain, Portugal, Canaries, Florida etc. Cheap fuel helps too! The main variable is that alot of holidays to Egypt, Tunisia and Turkey were budget-end packages. Canada and Florida are more expensive choices but will still likely benefit to some extent from the halo effect.

[j636]

Yes, being the biggest hub for the worlds largest (by passenger volume) and probably most profitable airline must be very concerning

Not as concerning as to the inaccuracy of both those statements.

[LTNman]

I flew Air Transat to Toronto from Stansted some 20 years ago. Don't know why it was ended and what has changed since then to make it a success this time if it did return.

[whitelighter]

Which bit is inaccurate?

FR were the first airline to top 100m pax earlier this month.
They gave more based AC at stansted than Dublin

The profitability thing is a guess, as I don't know the absolute figures but it's certainly better than most

[SealinkBF]

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