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More utter cr@p from FRatSTN
It's not my problem if somebody else doesn't seem to agree whether I think something is good or not.
But lets end it at this... It's a bit pointless now to even discuss this, because nobody is going to change their mind on what they think anyway!
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As a regular flyer, what I see more and more is outright abuse of the cabin baggage allowance rules.
Recently went on a flight with my wife for the weekend using a major carrier. Our inwards flight to the hub was delayed by weather and we were the last to load. When we got to our seats we could not use the overhead lockers because they were full with bags larger than should have been allowed.
As a result we had to wander up and down with the stewardess looking to find/make room further along.
Now what annoyed me were the number of business travellers who were quite simply taking the p*** with the size of their cabin bags. Add to this the large rucksack users and now you have a developing problem which will only be made worse as people now try to push the bag size rather than pay. WE followed the rules but ended up being "punished" by those whose attitude appears to be to raise two-fingers to the rules.
I do not recall one single airline ever refusing to let someone into the cabin with what is clearly above their limit as I believe that their policies to the cabin crew are "not to make an issue of it" thereby pandering to the selfish group who will abuse any facility and reinforcing their attitudes.
Recently went on a flight with my wife for the weekend using a major carrier. Our inwards flight to the hub was delayed by weather and we were the last to load. When we got to our seats we could not use the overhead lockers because they were full with bags larger than should have been allowed.
As a result we had to wander up and down with the stewardess looking to find/make room further along.
Now what annoyed me were the number of business travellers who were quite simply taking the p*** with the size of their cabin bags. Add to this the large rucksack users and now you have a developing problem which will only be made worse as people now try to push the bag size rather than pay. WE followed the rules but ended up being "punished" by those whose attitude appears to be to raise two-fingers to the rules.
I do not recall one single airline ever refusing to let someone into the cabin with what is clearly above their limit as I believe that their policies to the cabin crew are "not to make an issue of it" thereby pandering to the selfish group who will abuse any facility and reinforcing their attitudes.
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So BHD is confirmed...
KLM to begin scheduled services from Belfast City Airport. | Belfast Travel News
...two more to go. Any rumours floating around?
KLM to begin scheduled services from Belfast City Airport. | Belfast Travel News
...two more to go. Any rumours floating around?
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Now what annoyed me were the number of business travellers who were quite simply taking the p*** with the size of their cabin bags. Add to this the large rucksack users and now you have a developing problem which will only be made worse as people now try to push the bag size rather than pay. WE followed the rules but ended up being "punished" by those whose attitude appears to be to raise two-fingers to the rules.
As one of those Business Passengers you refer to with such disdain, I probably have paid a lot for more than you for my flight and am probably connecting from a long haul flight on a Business Class ticket which gives additional allowances. Allowances I need for long trips.
As one of those Business Passengers you refer to with such disdain, I probably have paid a lot for more than you for my flight and am probably connecting from a long haul flight on a Business Class ticket which gives additional allowances. Allowances I need for long trips.
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The issue here, in my opinion, isn't "the rules" it's the safety aspect of having such ridiculous quantities of baggage stuffed into the cabin.
It will only take one survivable accident, where needless lives are lost because the carry on bags prevent an efficient evacuation, and just watch the tables turn.
The issue here, in my opinion, isn't "the rules" it's the safety aspect of having such ridiculous quantities of baggage stuffed into the cabin.
It will only take one survivable accident, where needless lives are lost because the carry on bags prevent an efficient evacuation, and just watch the tables turn.
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Is this only on the legacy carriers? The Lo-co airlines as far as I can see do police the cabin baggage vigourously as I frequently see them weighing cabin baggage at the gate any over the limit are put in the hold (with a baggage charge as well). The staff are eager to do this for they get a %age of the charge.
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KLM MD-11 routes for this summer?
Does anyone know if the MD-11 will fly only to Toronto
and Montreal this summer?Are there any other routes that have a dedicated MD-11 service?
The KLM states that the aircraft is being
phased out and I would like to have the chance to fly as
a passenger with the trijet.
and Montreal this summer?Are there any other routes that have a dedicated MD-11 service?
The KLM states that the aircraft is being
phased out and I would like to have the chance to fly as
a passenger with the trijet.
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I would agree, they are very noisy down the back and not very comfortable. Aren't BA launching the 787 on Canadian routes? Why not have your first 787 flight rather than last MD-11. (Present issues resolved of course!!)
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Any news on any more Uk announcements?.
They have yet to tell us who they all are.
Given MME and its poor performance perhaps they will move the flights to Dsa.
Wider audience and if using a fokker 70 it should fill up nicely.
Also why have they never flown Direct to Sumburgh/Scatsa. I thought Klm still had avro aircraft. Or could the small fokker be ol for the runway up there
They have yet to tell us who they all are.
Given MME and its poor performance perhaps they will move the flights to Dsa.
Wider audience and if using a fokker 70 it should fill up nicely.
Also why have they never flown Direct to Sumburgh/Scatsa. I thought Klm still had avro aircraft. Or could the small fokker be ol for the runway up there
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Sumburgh or Scatsta?
Scatsta isn't used for scheduled services anyway, bar the scheduled crew change oil charters. Personally I do not know why they can't use SCS in some more enhanced way for schedules, as (from memory) it's closer to Lerwick than the 40-odd mile trek to & from LSI. Although I don't know how much it would take to carry out any upgrade/further upgrade at SCS, & I'm unsure of the topography around the place. Shetland doesn't have any high 'hills' as such, but the land around might still be challenging...not to mention the weather!
I doubt very much Sumburgh, as KLM would just use ABZ & passengers for LSI change at ABZ.
Sumburgh or Scatsta?
Scatsta isn't used for scheduled services anyway, bar the scheduled crew change oil charters. Personally I do not know why they can't use SCS in some more enhanced way for schedules, as (from memory) it's closer to Lerwick than the 40-odd mile trek to & from LSI. Although I don't know how much it would take to carry out any upgrade/further upgrade at SCS, & I'm unsure of the topography around the place. Shetland doesn't have any high 'hills' as such, but the land around might still be challenging...not to mention the weather!
I doubt very much Sumburgh, as KLM would just use ABZ & passengers for LSI change at ABZ.
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Well regarding Scatsa Id read somewhere it was extended to take the BAe avroliner.
There must be some equivalent in the Klm fleet.
But my main question about Sumburgh was the very fact there is no direct link to what is meant to he a fairly busy airport for oil workers.
Surely it would provide a better service direct.
Would Klm be able to get the E170/90 in and out of there ?.
There must be some equivalent in the Klm fleet.
But my main question about Sumburgh was the very fact there is no direct link to what is meant to he a fairly busy airport for oil workers.
Surely it would provide a better service direct.
Would Klm be able to get the E170/90 in and out of there ?.
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KLM to Shetland? Sheesh, where to start?
1) Shetland has a population of only about 20,000. There's no way that would support an Amsterdam service
2) There won't be anything like enough offshore workers on platforms off Shetland who travel there from continental Europe to justify a service direct from Amsterdam
3) Even if there were, the oil companies would want direct control over the schedule so it fed into helicopter flights and could be cancelled/amended at short notice. KLM wouldn't do that.
4) Taking the continent-based workers off the Aberdeen-Scatsta charters and the KLM schedule to Aberdeen would increase the costs of both - oil cos and KLM won't want that
5) Scatsta has one runway with LDA 1155/TODA 1319m - not sure about F70or E170 but tight for any jet apart from maybe Avro RJs. It also has no IAP to runway 06 - requires circling approach with hills all around
Minima for a Cat C are 570ft on 24, 890 on 09
6) Sumburgh has ILS on 27 and various on 09, with minima 267/300ft, plus runway length about 100m more than Scatsta for both t/o and landing.
7) Given the roads, distance from Scatsta to Lerwick vs Sumburgh to Lerwick pretty much 6 and half a doz.
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1) Shetland has a population of only about 20,000. There's no way that would support an Amsterdam service
2) There won't be anything like enough offshore workers on platforms off Shetland who travel there from continental Europe to justify a service direct from Amsterdam
3) Even if there were, the oil companies would want direct control over the schedule so it fed into helicopter flights and could be cancelled/amended at short notice. KLM wouldn't do that.
4) Taking the continent-based workers off the Aberdeen-Scatsta charters and the KLM schedule to Aberdeen would increase the costs of both - oil cos and KLM won't want that
5) Scatsta has one runway with LDA 1155/TODA 1319m - not sure about F70or E170 but tight for any jet apart from maybe Avro RJs. It also has no IAP to runway 06 - requires circling approach with hills all around
Minima for a Cat C are 570ft on 24, 890 on 096) Sumburgh has ILS on 27 and various on 09, with minima 267/300ft, plus runway length about 100m more than Scatsta for both t/o and landing.
7) Given the roads, distance from Scatsta to Lerwick vs Sumburgh to Lerwick pretty much 6 and half a doz.
NS
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Thanks for clearing that up. I was kind of thinking that was all about Klm in the after reading how Ryanair had planned to operate from Stornoway , But fell out with the authority over tryi g to obtain lower fees.
Plus I read somewhere theyd requested some improvements etc.
But however small. The western and Northern isles still collectively have a fair sized population.
Probably more than the Faroes and they have bought two A319's along with the rest of their fleet. All operating in Similar terrain.
My point is that it must be an expensive business for islanders to go on a package holiday ala Thomson. As its either a ferry or internal flight and thst is only as far as Abz.
Hence I asked about Klm .
Plus I read somewhere theyd requested some improvements etc.
But however small. The western and Northern isles still collectively have a fair sized population.
Probably more than the Faroes and they have bought two A319's along with the rest of their fleet. All operating in Similar terrain.
My point is that it must be an expensive business for islanders to go on a package holiday ala Thomson. As its either a ferry or internal flight and thst is only as far as Abz.
Hence I asked about Klm .