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tfly are going half full on some of there flights
The problem with CWL is they steam ahead with all these 'wonderful and exciting' plans. Yet as AvianceUK says there seems to be little thought about it. OK, maybe from a business point of view, the investment costs may not be worth it for anything fancy. But if i had been a passenger travelling through CWL this summer, i wouldnt come back. Its been a farce for months.
If the investment was there, and was viable, then there is such great potential with CWL. But at the moment its just a dream.
I feel sorry for the staff (the ones that actually face the public, rather than ones who sit behind a desk deciding what crap their going to throw at the pax and staff each day!)
Its not been easy when theres no seating left in departures, stupidly long queues at security,no buses available for flights and lack of gates to use anyway, theres a slight delay on bags and hundreds crammed into a tiny baggage hall and huge queues at check-in because of the rubbish baggage belt system that never works!
Get it right from the start and you've got a nice experience at the airport from which you travel. Otherwise, you may not use it again....
I could go on, but thats my rant over for now anyway
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Interesting posts.
Caaardiff - don't spend too much time using ThomsonFly as a benchmark for anything at CWL. They are predominantly a charter carrier and dump spare seats to the direct sales market. What their figures for this are like bear not much resemblance to the overall performance of the airport.
MV - I have indeed read BC's book. I used to work for a guy who worked directly for BC, and he always maintained that a lot of the stuff in that book was what she wanted the world to think, rather than the direct truth.... isn't that always the way? She would hardly say anything against an airport that she had chosen for a base that had worked, would she?
Airvanman - Don't see where you are coming from with some of this.
As I said, it was my guess.
And yet they still run NCL? It was always going to be a marginal call running a base with only one route. IMHO they screwed this up with crazy fares and poor advertising. Once they potch their one route up, whither the base?
Eh? 6G ran NCL, DUB, PLH (which ran pretty full, especially with through traffic - PLH is a larger centre of population than NQY!), etc. NQY is a mad route. MAN is a mad route when the train is quicker.
6G didn't do North Wales since there is no real market. If there was a real market for it, why would it need government support, hm?
It only thinks it is. It isn't.
Doubt it. I have seen their figures (I do work in this area after all!) CWL is doing VERY well for them, thank you.
Would agree with the comments from Aviance tho. Ground handling at CWL seems to be getting worse by the day. Took almost 40 minutes to get bags to belt the other day, when the aircraft in question was the only one about. Not good.
Caaardiff - don't spend too much time using ThomsonFly as a benchmark for anything at CWL. They are predominantly a charter carrier and dump spare seats to the direct sales market. What their figures for this are like bear not much resemblance to the overall performance of the airport.
MV - I have indeed read BC's book. I used to work for a guy who worked directly for BC, and he always maintained that a lot of the stuff in that book was what she wanted the world to think, rather than the direct truth.... isn't that always the way? She would hardly say anything against an airport that she had chosen for a base that had worked, would she?
Airvanman - Don't see where you are coming from with some of this.
Aircraft slots in the southeast tosh! XL - doing what others have done cut and run!
Eastern (the award winning regional) They obviously don’t think it’s worth it!
Air Southwest. Daft routes not! see Air Wales
Air Wales. Another Welsh airline gone! Why did they not do a CWL-North Wales –CWL 2-3 daily?
BMIBaby (a proper lo-cost)
Never mind they will be ‘kin off to BHX soon
Would agree with the comments from Aviance tho. Ground handling at CWL seems to be getting worse by the day. Took almost 40 minutes to get bags to belt the other day, when the aircraft in question was the only one about. Not good.
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Doom, doom, doom!
Why is everybody always so pessimistic on CWL's prospects. Lets not forget that Cardiff is having it's busiest year and is likely to break through the 2m barrier before the year is out!
There is nothing to be gained from speculating as to what might have been. Fact is that BRS are the dominant airport in the West / South West and good luck to them.
Cardiff has it's own strengths to play to and now that some of the infrastructure is finally being developed, then perhaps some of these airlines which are constantly courted but never quite come off will now see the potential at Cardiff.
Success breeds success - you don't have to look far past the Severn Bridge to see that!
MB
Why is everybody always so pessimistic on CWL's prospects. Lets not forget that Cardiff is having it's busiest year and is likely to break through the 2m barrier before the year is out!
There is nothing to be gained from speculating as to what might have been. Fact is that BRS are the dominant airport in the West / South West and good luck to them.
Cardiff has it's own strengths to play to and now that some of the infrastructure is finally being developed, then perhaps some of these airlines which are constantly courted but never quite come off will now see the potential at Cardiff.
Success breeds success - you don't have to look far past the Severn Bridge to see that!
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Eastern - Aberdeen
Not sure if anyone realizes that Eastern are currently flying CWL pax to ABZ via NCL ( I think ).... Haven't read anyone else mention this..
Just goes to show the lack of advertisement perhaps???
Edit......
Just checked the Eastern website and it's not bookable or timetabled.... Perhaps some people got to book for the short time it was on offer..... But some pax are definatly going there!!
I know they are supposed to be leaving, just strange to see a new route just before the end!!
Just goes to show the lack of advertisement perhaps???
Edit......
Just checked the Eastern website and it's not bookable or timetabled.... Perhaps some people got to book for the short time it was on offer..... But some pax are definatly going there!!
I know they are supposed to be leaving, just strange to see a new route just before the end!!
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Cardiff has it's own strengths to play to and now that some of the infrastructure is finally being developed, then perhaps some of these airlines which are constantly courted but never quite come off will now see the potential at Cardiff.
Yet the current building works, recently opened and currently in progress have done diddly squat to improve the infrastructure of the airport...
The new walkway has replaced the bus and added new gates to use.. In the mean time, other gates are closed for work, and extra staff need to be used to board on the customer side rather than the bus side.... swings and roundabouts...
Currently two reclaim belts in operation in the main hall, and one under the 'tent' which ( to my knowledge ) has been used the grand sum of fingers on one hand!! The belt is tiny.. And as it was used first and second times around, it constantly stopped for no apparent reason... So now it is 'avoided' if possible.
Also, the two main belts, airside, are hampered by the current works being undertaken by the construction crews. So they are slower coming through to pax.
Working in the middle of a building site, you could be forgiven for some of the delays?? What's the delay code for 'contractors working as the airport planed'????
I personally can't Wait for the winter season, yet I think de-icing will cause it's concerns with delays as usual... Lets see.....
What is one to do!!!!????
SORRY... for my rants!! But if problems aren't highlighted in some form or another, then nothing will get done!! I know some key people read these forums, and the fact that anyone can read these, makes the importance of change even more open to user discussion and recommendation, ...well to some effect!!
Av Uk
cheers for your time!!
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Hey AvianceUK - please don't apologize for your postings, I for one find them very informative. I hope other people see them as well, and if they don't, I shall drop them a hint next time I see them!
Re Eastern - and you thought Air Wales was bad? At least all the routes could be booked.... what appears to be happening is that pax have noticed that the route can be booked as two distinct PNRs, and are doing that. It will all go horridly wrong if Eastern choose to apply their own rules, when the CWL-NCL goes late, misses the NCL-ABZ and reports the pax as a no-show.... Wait for the fur to fly.
Eastern are as far as I can tell going to be operating the NCL going forwards - this is an NCL based aircraft (good mate of mine flies it now and again) - it is the Cardiff base they have given up on, which was just the BRU route.
Re Eastern - and you thought Air Wales was bad?
At least all the routes could be booked.... what appears to be happening is that pax have noticed that the route can be booked as two distinct PNRs, and are doing that. It will all go horridly wrong if Eastern choose to apply their own rules, when the CWL-NCL goes late, misses the NCL-ABZ and reports the pax as a no-show.... Wait for the fur to fly.Eastern are as far as I can tell going to be operating the NCL going forwards - this is an NCL based aircraft (good mate of mine flies it now and again) - it is the Cardiff base they have given up on, which was just the BRU route.
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Leading Turkish holiday specialist Holidays4U has chosen Cardiff Airport to expand its regional departure flights for 2007. Starting next May they will offer flights to and from Dalaman on
Tuesdays and to Bodrum on Saturdays.
Tuesdays and to Bodrum on Saturdays.
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Hey AvianceUK - please don't apologize for your postings, I for one find them very informative. I hope other people see them as well, and if they don't, I shall drop them a hint next time I see them!
Cheers TWIN...
As much it may seem I'm constantly negative about CWL.. I do actually enjoy my job, and working at CWL.
I'm just a little frustrated at the short sightedness of some people and the failure to improve CWL, to be the airport that it could be 'NOW' rather than later!! A little more time taken to concrete the grass area between stands 16, 17 and ECHO 2 could have made all the difference now rather than by 2015.. In reality, only a short few years away in the respect of the work needed... The new modular walkway will be redundant in a few years as it only serves 'some' stands and has NO facilties... Perhaps this is CWL realizing the short life span of the new walkway, in providing the basic needs... And when I say basic, I MEAN BASIC!!!!! NO BOGS?? COME ON!!!LOL!!!!
Eastern are as far as I can tell going to be operating the NCL going forwards
Edited for spelling as I know I'm BAD at it!!
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Re Eastern - and you thought Air Wales was bad? At least all the routes could be booked.... what appears to be happening is that pax have noticed that the route can be booked as two distinct PNRs, and are doing that. It will all go horridly wrong if Eastern choose to apply their own rules, when the CWL-NCL goes late, misses the NCL-ABZ and reports the pax as a no-show.... Wait for the fur to fly.
At least all the routes could be booked.... what appears to be happening is that pax have noticed that the route can be booked as two distinct PNRs, and are doing that. It will all go horridly wrong if Eastern choose to apply their own rules, when the CWL-NCL goes late, misses the NCL-ABZ and reports the pax as a no-show.... Wait for the fur to fly.
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Cwl Ok
CWL is a good airport just needs a decent based airline and the link to the M4 then it could go better than BRS it has better weather but the majority of passengers from the south west would have to pay a current £4.90 additional tax just to come to Wales. Dont get me wrong i have worked at CWL for two airlines and would like to come back again. CWL is like a lot of other airports one TWA capt described LGW as gee BAA a building site with a runway attached.
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Never been convinced about the "link to the M4" malarkey at CWL. BRS does ok, and the road to that is just dreadful - makes the current road to CWL look like a German autobahn.
I have a new theory about airports. Those folks on here who know who I am will know my lunatic travel - I go through a silly number of airports in a year. And you know what? I don't think I have EVER gone through one that didn't have building work going on somewhere. I think it is either a tax dodge ("pay council tax? No mate, not finished yet") or some bizarre IATA requirement
I have a new theory about airports. Those folks on here who know who I am will know my lunatic travel - I go through a silly number of airports in a year. And you know what? I don't think I have EVER gone through one that didn't have building work going on somewhere. I think it is either a tax dodge ("pay council tax? No mate, not finished yet") or some bizarre IATA requirement
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I was looking to book a flight with Zoom in July 07 to Toronto and it said with one stop. Is this service being downgraded? It is a direct flight this year.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions....main/3032776/
http://www.airliners.net/discussions....main/3032776/
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New seating!!
Yep, seating has now been put in at gate 11, serving stand 11!! Must be around 30 seats in there... WOW!!
But what the hell is going on with the door alarms??? They go off in a couple of mins and are so loud! Especially in the echo ridden dull space of this boarding gate!!! It sounds like a fire alarm is sounding.. I'm sure pax get the feeling an evac is on the way when they hear it!!! Nice touch!!
One to add.... SECURITY have now been told, ( so I've been informed! ) that they are to throw away any items confiscated from staff when passing through search points!! Yep, bin it !! The reason?? They can't keep your items secure!! Yep, people have been 'stealing' items on the way back that don't belong to them as security can't keep track of what belongs to who!! So if you see crews foraging through the bins, you know why!!!!!!!!
You heard it here first!! Security can't keep your items secure!!!! LOL
Yep, seating has now been put in at gate 11, serving stand 11!! Must be around 30 seats in there... WOW!!
But what the hell is going on with the door alarms??? They go off in a couple of mins and are so loud! Especially in the echo ridden dull space of this boarding gate!!! It sounds like a fire alarm is sounding.. I'm sure pax get the feeling an evac is on the way when they hear it!!! Nice touch!!
One to add.... SECURITY have now been told, ( so I've been informed! ) that they are to throw away any items confiscated from staff when passing through search points!! Yep, bin it !! The reason?? They can't keep your items secure!! Yep, people have been 'stealing' items on the way back that don't belong to them as security can't keep track of what belongs to who!! So if you see crews foraging through the bins, you know why!!!!!!!!
You heard it here first!! Security can't keep your items secure!!!! LOL
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What also about the information that a German airline have been looking around CWL, Ive heard this one too.
What about Air Berlin, it would be intresting as we'd finnaly have some German routes from CWL or will it be a connections flight to Stansted? If not what new routes do you think we.ll have as it will defuinatley be a chance to take on EZY and RYN at BRS and baby at CWL.
What about Air Berlin, it would be intresting as we'd finnaly have some German routes from CWL or will it be a connections flight to Stansted? If not what new routes do you think we.ll have as it will defuinatley be a chance to take on EZY and RYN at BRS and baby at CWL.
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Zoom, the Germans and other ideas
Last I heard Zoom are double dropping some services via BFS due to fuel. Not sure if this is planned for Toronto for 2007 but has been happening on Vancouver this year.
Are there good reasons for a CWL - Germany route? Baby had issues with MUC.
Interesting about STN, could work but would need to attract East Anglia / Cambridgeshire - CWL pax. Does anybody know how many people travel between these two regions?
Anybody heard interest in direct flights to ABZ or INV??
Are there good reasons for a CWL - Germany route? Baby had issues with MUC.
Interesting about STN, could work but would need to attract East Anglia / Cambridgeshire - CWL pax. Does anybody know how many people travel between these two regions?
Anybody heard interest in direct flights to ABZ or INV??
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