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Have heard the initial actions for tenders between Valley and CWL are going forward aiming for 2007 launch.
Do any of you know who of airlines who will be entering the tender process?
Do any of you know who of airlines who will be entering the tender process?
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Air Southwest should get in on this...
North Wales - Cardiff - Gatwick
On other news.
TOM to operate BCN x4 wkly next year on 733
North Wales - Cardiff - Gatwick
On other news.
TOM to operate BCN x4 wkly next year on 733
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The whole basis of the Inter Wales air link I find offensive, on so many fronts.
Firstly, subsidising air routes is a terrible use of public money. I can accept real PSO (and even PSO is abused to the point of lunacy) - just - but this is just wasting public money.
Secondly, why does anyone assume there is a need for this service for anyone other than AMs?
Thirdly, why would any airline even want to do this? Any existing airline must be desperate beyond measure to even contemplate this route. If the WAG finds a new entrant to the airline industry, and effectively funds their start-up, I will not be alone in writing filthy letters to the CAA and my MEP.
Cardiff needs some real routes, not this mickey mouse connection.
Firstly, subsidising air routes is a terrible use of public money. I can accept real PSO (and even PSO is abused to the point of lunacy) - just - but this is just wasting public money.
Secondly, why does anyone assume there is a need for this service for anyone other than AMs?
Thirdly, why would any airline even want to do this? Any existing airline must be desperate beyond measure to even contemplate this route. If the WAG finds a new entrant to the airline industry, and effectively funds their start-up, I will not be alone in writing filthy letters to the CAA and my MEP.
Cardiff needs some real routes, not this mickey mouse connection.
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Chill out! You must be easily offended?
Why not? How long does it take to drive? I am not welsh but it must be a bloody pain!
Ok I don’t know how many people do this trip a day. But starting off modestly. I am sure business would benefit, along with visiting friends and relatives?
Real routes! What about BRU?
Chill out! You must be easily offended?
Why not? How long does it take to drive? I am not welsh but it must be a bloody pain!
Ok I don’t know how many people do this trip a day. But starting off modestly. I am sure business would benefit, along with visiting friends and relatives?
Real routes! What about BRU?
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Why does it offend me? Because I spend a lot of my working life helping airlines turn a profit. Having idiot politicians suggesting nutty routes (and it IS a nutty route, I am afraid - no-one much travels from Cardiff to NW Wales, except the idiot politicians) and to have them potentially funding competitors to existing airlines who have had more sense than to bid for this route causes nothing but market inequity.
If it is soooo much of a pain to do this trip, and there are people who wish to visit their friends and relatives, fine - let them pay for it. Run the service on a commercial basis. If you can't, why squander money on a route when the hospitals and schools are so short of dosh, hmmm?
Public funding of airlines creates BAD airlines. Weaning the likes of BA off the public nipple was about the best thing that ever happened to our national carrier. Why the WAG is trying to force milk down some other sucker's mouth is beyond me, I would have thought that the lesson of "how to make an airline REALLY bad" had been learned by now. Clearly not.
Airlines are not there to be public servants, at the whim of today's shower of elected representatives. They are there to generate a return for their stakeholders, and frankly anyone who doesn't agree this point should be banned for life from airline management.
If it is soooo much of a pain to do this trip, and there are people who wish to visit their friends and relatives, fine - let them pay for it. Run the service on a commercial basis. If you can't, why squander money on a route when the hospitals and schools are so short of dosh, hmmm?
Public funding of airlines creates BAD airlines. Weaning the likes of BA off the public nipple was about the best thing that ever happened to our national carrier. Why the WAG is trying to force milk down some other sucker's mouth is beyond me, I would have thought that the lesson of "how to make an airline REALLY bad" had been learned by now. Clearly not.
Airlines are not there to be public servants, at the whim of today's shower of elected representatives. They are there to generate a return for their stakeholders, and frankly anyone who doesn't agree this point should be banned for life from airline management.
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Wherve you heard of this? Very good news to have a BCN route though!
So far the only routes not on sale are JER and BCN
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Hang-on!
Not once have I mentioned Public funding in any of my posts etc… But I do agree with your views on this!!
Ok the N-S route maybe is mad. But this is the way some routes are chanced or started?
CWL and funding have always goes together in my eyes. You are right airlines operate just for profit. Not for the honour of flying from the capital of Wales along with a short-term sweetener.
No ambitions for parliament then?
Not once have I mentioned Public funding in any of my posts etc… But I do agree with your views on this!!
Ok the N-S route maybe is mad. But this is the way some routes are chanced or started?
CWL and funding have always goes together in my eyes. You are right airlines operate just for profit. Not for the honour of flying from the capital of Wales along with a short-term sweetener.
No ambitions for parliament then?
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Not once have I mentioned Public funding in any of my posts
No ambitions for parliament then?
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I've seen the provisional schedule for SO07. Looking very busy.
So far the only routes not on sale are JER and BCN
So far the only routes not on sale are JER and BCN
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The additional FAO's plus BCN and JER to come still wont fully utalise an additional 733 and I cant see TOM keeping an assett on the ground loosing money. 2 ways forward, either they may pull some of the routes currently on sale or hopefully more to come.
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The additional FAO's plus BCN and JER to come still wont fully utalise an additional 733 and I cant see TOM keeping an assett on the ground loosing money. 2 ways forward, either they may pull some of the routes currently on sale or hopefully more to come.
Whats interesting though is the 763 (in new Y/J 283 config) is based 5 days through the week, operating short haul routes as well as CUN(wed) and SFB (Thu)
TOM seem to see the potential in CWL at the moment by increasing capacity quite a bit
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I thought Thomson were considering a few more routes from Cardiff with Salzburg very likely and a couple of Italian & French routes strong possibilities?
However, the extra rotations from the 763 could be freeing up time for the 752 / 733 to allow JER and BCN out of the current based aircraft? I'm pretty sure that the 733s they have on order are to replace the old 735s and not additional capacity.
Either that or they're waiting to see what Baby are planning with their 4th 733.
MB
However, the extra rotations from the 763 could be freeing up time for the 752 / 733 to allow JER and BCN out of the current based aircraft? I'm pretty sure that the 733s they have on order are to replace the old 735s and not additional capacity.
Either that or they're waiting to see what Baby are planning with their 4th 733.
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BCN will be off sale until slots confirmed
Assuming this BCN info is correct, I imagine it is not bookable due to slots not confirmed yet. As most their other Summer routes are bookable on their historic slots.
Interesting that JER is not on sale.
Would SZG work year round from CWL or is this a Winter opportunity?
When is the slot application deadline for Summer 07?
Interesting that JER is not on sale.
Would SZG work year round from CWL or is this a Winter opportunity?
When is the slot application deadline for Summer 07?
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Route Crazy!!
I agree that North-South link is nonsense, We are already linked to Manchester, that's close enough and that doesn't sell 100%
A north-south link wouldn't even fill a seneca.
Politicians are trying to help themselves, they should be aiming for bigger and better things. More scheduled transatlantic routes, maybe a weekly new york or similar. but no, North Wales......wow.
We'll see what happens......perhaps the flying club will start a franchise with BMIbaby for the north wales route, paint up one of the robins in baby colors. lol
AND BCN IS DEFINATELY ON TOM'S 2007 SKED. 3 TIMES WEEKLY. I've seen it aswell.
I agree that North-South link is nonsense, We are already linked to Manchester, that's close enough and that doesn't sell 100%
A north-south link wouldn't even fill a seneca.
Politicians are trying to help themselves, they should be aiming for bigger and better things. More scheduled transatlantic routes, maybe a weekly new york or similar. but no, North Wales......wow.
We'll see what happens......perhaps the flying club will start a franchise with BMIbaby for the north wales route, paint up one of the robins in baby colors. lol
AND BCN IS DEFINATELY ON TOM'S 2007 SKED. 3 TIMES WEEKLY. I've seen it aswell.
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AND BCN IS DEFINATELY ON TOM'S 2007 SKED. 3 TIMES WEEKLY
TOM to operate BCN x4 wkly next year on 733
seneca
Cessna? Senned?
It seems like its just a part based 733
