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There is an article in tonights Echo about Zoom expanding its operations from Cardiff, with the potential for flights to major cities in the USA and also Cuba.
The article says they are waiting to see about licences and intend expanding at there current UK bases and that includes Cardiff.
The article says they are waiting to see about licences and intend expanding at there current UK bases and that includes Cardiff.
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would that announcement have anything to do with GSM? They announced a while back that they would operate to those destinations possibly from CWL.
Whoever operates the routes will be great for the Welsh capital and the people of Wales and the West!
Whoever operates the routes will be great for the Welsh capital and the people of Wales and the West!
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Its true that Zoom recentley applied for a license to fly cwl to usa and cuba (5 routes infact) but none of these will be in the new york area. Continental will be flying this route next year.
. Also it will be a few years until zoom flys these routes a they will entialy concentrate on LGW and MAN airports until they build up there fleet. I also highly doubt flyglobespan will come to cwl this side of 2010 if ever.
. Also it will be a few years until zoom flys these routes a they will entialy concentrate on LGW and MAN airports until they build up there fleet. I also highly doubt flyglobespan will come to cwl this side of 2010 if ever.
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Would CO offer the the CWL rotations as 'extra capacity' to the area? I mean if they dropped BRS down to 5xweekly rotations and flew the CWL route on the off days plus the extra 3 days they could market it as 3xdaily to BRS (on booking systems you can type LON for London and get all flights into the London area) as CWL is not that far from BRS. An hour seems to be quite an acceptable transfer time nowadays.
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I doubt they would offer cwl as extra capicity as the flight would be most attractive on weekdays so the service would be needed then. And i dont think that co would count cwl as brs on searches as they are not exactly ryanair plus mor likley to be London Bristol International Than Cardiff Bristol.
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Theplanemanuk ,
I am curious as to where you get you " info" from and why you are adamant that Continental is reducing its service out of Bristol. There is nothing to be found on it's website.
I am happy to be proved wrong but would think Zoom has more likelihood of being a successful US destination airline from Cardiff than Continental , we are too close to Bristol with limited population density for Continental to work both airports and they are already successful with Bristol on the route. Whilst for commercial reasons they may reduce their flights out of Bristol I think that would make them less likely than more to also operate from Cardiff.
I am curious as to where you get you " info" from and why you are adamant that Continental is reducing its service out of Bristol. There is nothing to be found on it's website.
I am happy to be proved wrong but would think Zoom has more likelihood of being a successful US destination airline from Cardiff than Continental , we are too close to Bristol with limited population density for Continental to work both airports and they are already successful with Bristol on the route. Whilst for commercial reasons they may reduce their flights out of Bristol I think that would make them less likely than more to also operate from Cardiff.
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Ah the famous I know someone who knows something as opposed to hard facts. I have heard such rumours from pilot friends about all sorts of things regarding routes, aircraft numbers etc before, they often don't come to fruition
Ah the famous I know someone who knows something as opposed to hard facts. I have heard such rumours from pilot friends about all sorts of things regarding routes, aircraft numbers etc before, they often don't come to fruition
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I havent heard somthing from someone but from a credible source from a continental pilot in his lets say senior years with just as a senior ranking within the company. a Release date for the route will be this year. your pesessissum (sorry for spelling) leads me to believe that you dont want a service to nyc.
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No i have just heard such rumours before on this site all off which come to nothing. I have also not heard any such rumours about this at and around the airport.
Perhaps I am being more realistic about this, time will tell but with Continental operating out of an airport so close to Cardiff and you claiming its services being reduced I find the sums don't appear on the surface to add up. ( I doubt very much the services from Bristol will be reduced either just another rumour with nothing to back it up)
Until an official announcement is made I am afraid i will take it with that pinch of salt
Perhaps I am being more realistic about this, time will tell but with Continental operating out of an airport so close to Cardiff and you claiming its services being reduced I find the sums don't appear on the surface to add up. ( I doubt very much the services from Bristol will be reduced either just another rumour with nothing to back it up)
Until an official announcement is made I am afraid i will take it with that pinch of salt
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flower is a highly respected CWL ATCO who I would suggest is far more likely to be aware of credible rumours affecting her airport than someone relying on information of pilot acquaintances. How often do we hear that airline staff are the last to learn of developments affecting their airline?
I know from previous posts that flower is a great supporter of her airport and Wales in general and, without putting words in her mouth, I have no doubt she would be delighted with any new routes from CWL, to NYC or elsewhere, so long as they were sustainable.
It may be that your information turns out to be correct, however unlikely that may seem to some of us at present.
However, you do not help your cause by posting on the BRISTOL thread that it has been officially announced that CO EWR to BRS is to be reduced to 5 days a week next summer.
I can't find any reference to this on the CO site and at present a daily service is shown for summer 07 on the airline's web booking engine.
Where can I find this announcement and which days are not being flown?
In the meantime I think that increased transatlantic work by Zoom from CWL is more likely.
flower is a highly respected CWL ATCO who I would suggest is far more likely to be aware of credible rumours affecting her airport than someone relying on information of pilot acquaintances. How often do we hear that airline staff are the last to learn of developments affecting their airline?
I know from previous posts that flower is a great supporter of her airport and Wales in general and, without putting words in her mouth, I have no doubt she would be delighted with any new routes from CWL, to NYC or elsewhere, so long as they were sustainable.
It may be that your information turns out to be correct, however unlikely that may seem to some of us at present.
However, you do not help your cause by posting on the BRISTOL thread that it has been officially announced that CO EWR to BRS is to be reduced to 5 days a week next summer.
I can't find any reference to this on the CO site and at present a daily service is shown for summer 07 on the airline's web booking engine.
Where can I find this announcement and which days are not being flown?
In the meantime I think that increased transatlantic work by Zoom from CWL is more likely.
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Merchant Venturer thank you for the kind words and no you are not putting words in my mouth at all, as you say I am a strong defender of CWL as are many of us this side of the water, saying that I am equally pleased to see the growth at Bristol ( that growth helps pay my salary )
Zoom is the far more likely option for Cardiff , having routes such as Boston Cuba and Washington plus the already established routes of Toronto and Vancouver benefit us all in the South West, complimenting nicely the Continental route from Bristol.
Zoom however have yet to confirm that there will be any additional routes from Cardiff yet they have just advised they are looking to expand their route network from existing UK bases of which Cardiff is one.
This year has seen growth at Cardiff and lets hope we see more, but routes do need to be sustainable I really cannot see how two Continental bases so close together with limited catchment areas could work, but as ever I'm happy to be proved wrong.
)Zoom is the far more likely option for Cardiff , having routes such as Boston Cuba and Washington plus the already established routes of Toronto and Vancouver benefit us all in the South West, complimenting nicely the Continental route from Bristol.
Zoom however have yet to confirm that there will be any additional routes from Cardiff yet they have just advised they are looking to expand their route network from existing UK bases of which Cardiff is one.
This year has seen growth at Cardiff and lets hope we see more, but routes do need to be sustainable I really cannot see how two Continental bases so close together with limited catchment areas could work, but as ever I'm happy to be proved wrong.
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To second MV's comments... Flower is indeed a great and knowledgeable (professional) supporter of CWL. Those who know who I am will know my views on CWL, which are not massively different to Flower's....
It makes ZERO sense for CO to:
1. Cut services from BRS to allow for CWL services
2. To start additional services from CWL to the US.
Theplaneman, can I recommend the works of Rigas Doganis, in particular his works on the economics of the industry? You'll find them on amazon.co.uk. They provide a good introduction to airline economics, and will help you see the wisdom in Flower's and MV's comments.
Personally, I would suggest
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0...UTF8&s=gateway
as well. Anyway, "The Marriage of Figaro" is the Proms Concert tonight, so I'm out of here...
It makes ZERO sense for CO to:
1. Cut services from BRS to allow for CWL services
2. To start additional services from CWL to the US.
Theplaneman, can I recommend the works of Rigas Doganis, in particular his works on the economics of the industry? You'll find them on amazon.co.uk. They provide a good introduction to airline economics, and will help you see the wisdom in Flower's and MV's comments.
Personally, I would suggest
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0...UTF8&s=gateway
as well. Anyway, "The Marriage of Figaro" is the Proms Concert tonight, so I'm out of here...
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Whatever.... I'm happy to eat my hat if CO start CWL services. I would gladly see Zoom start such services (as per Flower's predictions) - but as someone who earns his keep in this game, I really remain to be convinced of any logic at all in a CO CWL service....
Stranger things have happened.. but remember that airlines tend to be staffed by professionals. Planespotters may wish things to happen, and pilots may as well... but making money with aviation is a dark art that both groups have issues with.
Flower, I'll see you at the CO launch flight to the US from CWL..... I take my hat lightly sauted in garlic. You?
Stranger things have happened.. but remember that airlines tend to be staffed by professionals. Planespotters may wish things to happen, and pilots may as well... but making money with aviation is a dark art that both groups have issues with.
Flower, I'll see you at the CO launch flight to the US from CWL..... I take my hat lightly sauted in garlic. You?
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If the services do start the burning question is will they fill them and if they do at prices that make money.
Judging by the performance on some european routes I suspect not. always willing to be proved wrong.
Centre cities
Judging by the performance on some european routes I suspect not. always willing to be proved wrong.
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AFAIK, CO have no plans to serve CWL.
BRS Is doing nicely for them (beating expectations I understand) and that the next UK destination for them will be STN (or NCL if they can get a favourable deal). LBA would be next in line after STN and NCL.
BRS Is doing nicely for them (beating expectations I understand) and that the next UK destination for them will be STN (or NCL if they can get a favourable deal). LBA would be next in line after STN and NCL.