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No flights from bmiBaby by the look of it... though I'm sure they said they'd reintroduce them.
Some how I'm not surprised... and with the route having lain dormant for a few months it'll be tough for someone else to get it going again... no goodwill to be carried through from the AWW/WW operation.
I wonder whether the airport are knocking on Air France's door? Some good opportunities for interlining through CDG I would think.
No flights from bmiBaby by the look of it... though I'm sure they said they'd reintroduce them.
Some how I'm not surprised... and with the route having lain dormant for a few months it'll be tough for someone else to get it going again... no goodwill to be carried through from the AWW/WW operation.
I wonder whether the airport are knocking on Air France's door? Some good opportunities for interlining through CDG I would think.
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Now that Air France is in bed with KLM it seems that they believe they will be competing against themselves if they operate from the smaller UK regional airports to both the AMS and CDG hubs.
AF pulled out of BRS apparently for this very reason, with KLM Citihopper operating the AMS route as it also does from CWL, and I believe they have done so elsewhere as well.
BRS was lucky because BACX (now BACon) also operated the CDG route from there and simply increased their own rotations to fill the AF void.
Having said this it seems inconceivable that no-one is stepping in quickly to fill the CWL-CDG route.
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Edited to say we seem to be together on the AF/KLM thing. Hope you're in fine form. I believe you are now away from these shores. Best wishes.
AF pulled out of BRS apparently for this very reason, with KLM Citihopper operating the AMS route as it also does from CWL, and I believe they have done so elsewhere as well.
BRS was lucky because BACX (now BACon) also operated the CDG route from there and simply increased their own rotations to fill the AF void.
Having said this it seems inconceivable that no-one is stepping in quickly to fill the CWL-CDG route.
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Edited to say we seem to be together on the AF/KLM thing. Hope you're in fine form. I believe you are now away from these shores. Best wishes.
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I wonder whether the airport are knocking on Air France's door? Some good opportunities for interlining through CDG I would think
CDG is a tough route from Cardiff. It is categorically not a low cost route, due to the economics of the operation. BA had it cracked with the EMB and the J41, filled it with business passengers, charged decent fares, £512 return in C class, from my expenses claims!
Eastern would be the ideal operator for this route from CWL, IMHO, but don't expect discount fares....
(Edited to say Snap to MV! Travelling like a madman right now, in Cardiff now and again, eastern Europe more usual...)
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I'm afraid BABY have done this with their AMS route....
In any case, KLM would have some influence over AF, and may well (if they have any sense) stop them doing a CWL-CDG. Baby are a law unto themselves from a KLM/AF perspective.
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So if bmiBaby are no longer interested in CWL-CDG, and Air France don't want to be interested, what are the options?
Current operators from CWL....
Eastern / Air Arran / Air Southwest? No current routes to Paris from any of these, so it's definitely a step into unknown territory for them.
Time for CWL to welcome flyBE perhaps? Or a return for BA Connect?
Current operators from CWL....
Eastern / Air Arran / Air Southwest? No current routes to Paris from any of these, so it's definitely a step into unknown territory for them.
Time for CWL to welcome flyBE perhaps? Or a return for BA Connect?
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I agree withTwinAisle's suggestion that Eastern are the most likely but, as he points out, the fares will be expensive.
In hindsight it is probably a pity that bmibaby ever went to CWL because Flybe would surely have seriously considered setting up a network from there not dissimilar to that from SOU and, increasingly, from EXT.
Their aircraft sizes are probably more suitable for several low cost routes not flown by baby out of CWL because the 737 is too big.
Flybe might yet make some sort of appearance at CWL of course and Aer Arann seems keen on building up routes from there, so who knows?
As for Air Southwest, they currently only fly within the UK and to the Channel Islands. I hope they will expand into the near Continent and Republic of Ireland.
In hindsight it is probably a pity that bmibaby ever went to CWL because Flybe would surely have seriously considered setting up a network from there not dissimilar to that from SOU and, increasingly, from EXT.
Their aircraft sizes are probably more suitable for several low cost routes not flown by baby out of CWL because the 737 is too big.
Flybe might yet make some sort of appearance at CWL of course and Aer Arann seems keen on building up routes from there, so who knows?
As for Air Southwest, they currently only fly within the UK and to the Channel Islands. I hope they will expand into the near Continent and Republic of Ireland.
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Originally Posted by jetstream7
So if bmiBaby are no longer interested in CWL-CDG, and Air France don't want to be interested, what are the options?
Current operators from CWL....
Eastern / Air Arran / Air Southwest? No current routes to Paris from any of these, so it's definitely a step into unknown territory for them.
Time for CWL to welcome flyBE perhaps? Or a return for BA Connect?
Current operators from CWL....
Eastern / Air Arran / Air Southwest? No current routes to Paris from any of these, so it's definitely a step into unknown territory for them.
Time for CWL to welcome flyBE perhaps? Or a return for BA Connect?
I agree withTwinAisle's suggestion that Eastern are the most likely but, as he points out, the fares will be expensive.
In hindsight it is probably a pity that bmibaby ever went to CWL because Flybe would surely have seriously considered setting up a network from there not dissimilar to that from SOU and, increasingly, from EXT.
... However, what about the likes of Jet2 at CWL? I think they could be a success at CWL.
Their aircraft sizes are probably more suitable for several low cost routes not flown by baby out of CWL because the 737 is too big.
Flybe might yet make some sort of appearance at CWL of course and Aer Arann seems keen on building up routes from there, so who knows?
Aer Arran = They'll expand at CWL
As for Air Southwest, they currently only fly within the UK and to the Channel Islands. I hope they will expand into the near Continent and Republic of Ireland.
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I forgot about them and that they operated from DSA and CVT to ORY. Good point, that might be a possible operater on the CWL-Paris route.
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I forgot about them and that they operated from DSA and CVT to ORY. Good point, that might be a possible operater on the CWL-Paris route.
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Air Southwest are rumoured to be looking at operating BOH-CDG. So CWL-CDG might be possible with them, if the rumours are true!
Eastern to CDG would ,as said, be very expensive this would not appeal to the general public!
Aer Arann would probally be the best bet as they have expanded in CWL fast in a short space of time!
Never thought of that! 
Seeing as they operate CWL-JER , I wouldn't rule that out!
Eastern to CDG would ,as said, be very expensive this would not appeal to the general public!
Aer Arann would probally be the best bet as they have expanded in CWL fast in a short space of time!
What about Thomsonfly to Orly?
Seeing as they operate CWL-JER , I wouldn't rule that out!
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I would suggest that CWL-CDG is not a low cost route. Low cost routes need serious volumes to make them viable, that is the basis of the business model.
There is some leisure traffic on the route, at leisure fares, but to make it work as a business route it needs to be at least double daily. Which means that, if you put a standard low cost airline aircraft on it, you are looking at producing roughly 640 seats a day, and a low cost will want to fill nigh on 500 of them, day in, day out. Way too much for CWL-CDG, as baby proved. You'll notice as well that easy don't run CDG from BRS, for similar reasons I would bet. So you need a smaller aircraft - which takes out the serious low cost players.
Jet2? Don't think so on this run - would be an orphan route for them, since I really can't see them basing a 737 in Cardiff any time soon. And in any case, the 737 is too large for this route.
ASW? Pride themselves on low fares, and will fall foul of the CDG route economics.
Aer Arann? Interesting thought, but they have shown no interest in Paris from anywhere else (although only Luton makes any sense for them), and in any case, they are short of aircraft and crew at the minute. Probably wouldn't want to take a flyer on a route like CWL-CDG. And anyway, they'd want PSO
Flybe is interesting. But again, they would have an orphan route here - would they stop at EXT on the way over the top?
BACON is the logical one, but this would be their only route out of Cardiff. Makes no real sense unless it was operated on a W pattern, and do they have a spare aircraft at the right times of day? I somehow doubt it, morning and evening are BACON peaks, since business travel is their niche (despite their lunatic low cost strategy).
My money remains on Eastern....
to which I say, the "general public" are not your target market on this route, business people are. Airlines are there to make money, which BA did with their relatively healthy fares. Even when the good people of South Wales were offered a low cost flight to CDG with Baby, they didn't exactly flock to it. The equally good people of the South West don't want to flock there either, clearly, or otherwise easy would have gone toe to toe with BA from BRS by now.
There is some leisure traffic on the route, at leisure fares, but to make it work as a business route it needs to be at least double daily. Which means that, if you put a standard low cost airline aircraft on it, you are looking at producing roughly 640 seats a day, and a low cost will want to fill nigh on 500 of them, day in, day out. Way too much for CWL-CDG, as baby proved. You'll notice as well that easy don't run CDG from BRS, for similar reasons I would bet. So you need a smaller aircraft - which takes out the serious low cost players.
Jet2? Don't think so on this run - would be an orphan route for them, since I really can't see them basing a 737 in Cardiff any time soon. And in any case, the 737 is too large for this route.
ASW? Pride themselves on low fares, and will fall foul of the CDG route economics.
Aer Arann? Interesting thought, but they have shown no interest in Paris from anywhere else (although only Luton makes any sense for them), and in any case, they are short of aircraft and crew at the minute. Probably wouldn't want to take a flyer on a route like CWL-CDG. And anyway, they'd want PSO
Flybe is interesting. But again, they would have an orphan route here - would they stop at EXT on the way over the top?
BACON is the logical one, but this would be their only route out of Cardiff. Makes no real sense unless it was operated on a W pattern, and do they have a spare aircraft at the right times of day? I somehow doubt it, morning and evening are BACON peaks, since business travel is their niche (despite their lunatic low cost strategy).
My money remains on Eastern....
Eastern to CDG would ,as said, be very expensive this would not appeal to the general public!
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An excellent point.
Baby and by extension Air Wales operated using bmi slots, which I would bet have been reabsorbed into the bmi network somewhere.
Getting more at good business times could well be a nightmare, with or without AF's help
Baby and by extension Air Wales operated using bmi slots, which I would bet have been reabsorbed into the bmi network somewhere.
Getting more at good business times could well be a nightmare, with or without AF's help
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Any more news on who will operate the North-South Wales route?
Again sounds like Eastern territory.
But i would like to see Air Southwest come in with a Valley - CWL - LGW/LCY route
They already fly from the southwest over to Gatwick.
And anyone in South Wales will agree you cant turn a corner without seeing an Airsouthwest add. So unlike Air Wales' LCY demise, WOW may just pull it off.
Again sounds like Eastern territory.
But i would like to see Air Southwest come in with a Valley - CWL - LGW/LCY route
They already fly from the southwest over to Gatwick.
And anyone in South Wales will agree you cant turn a corner without seeing an Airsouthwest add. So unlike Air Wales' LCY demise, WOW may just pull it off.
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Ground incident.....
So it would seem that the First Choice A320 number 1 engine has hit an electric vehicle with steps on the back, whilst taxiing onto stand.
Vehicles left on ground from previous a/c, First Choice coming onto stand 9 ( I think ). They've already changed one engine this summer!!
I heard the a/c was empty ( of passengers ).
Any more???
Vehicles left on ground from previous a/c, First Choice coming onto stand 9 ( I think ). They've already changed one engine this summer!!
I heard the a/c was empty ( of passengers ).
Any more???
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Hi,yip two nice dents on the ducting around the intake,which the engineer said needs to be replaced as they are only allowed one damage/repair to be fixed,any more means complete replacement!Also there was an incident of a cabin crew member activated an escape slide the night before by accident!Pax put in a hotel and were due to go out this morning!!!!On guess what a/c
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Seems another a/c must have been brought in to reduce the delays....
Is the a/c still on stand?? Or moved over to BAMC perhaps for repair? ( In the near future )??
I understand how this has happened though..... Crew on another a/c left the steps there, as they don't have the time to remove them fully before push. Called to another a/c... So FCA coming onto stand with inexperienced ground crew there just to chock it??? Though didn't the flight deck see it could be close?? As it's an agnis light stand, not needing a marshaller??Easily done in my opinion, concidering CWL these days!!
Just glad it wasn't worse......
It's been said on the quiet ( amongst staff ) that there will be incidents at CWL this summer due to the bad management there! Here's the first... DON'T let there be more!
Management take note!!!!
Cheers.... NO DEAL!!
Is the a/c still on stand?? Or moved over to BAMC perhaps for repair? ( In the near future )??
I understand how this has happened though..... Crew on another a/c left the steps there, as they don't have the time to remove them fully before push. Called to another a/c... So FCA coming onto stand with inexperienced ground crew there just to chock it??? Though didn't the flight deck see it could be close?? As it's an agnis light stand, not needing a marshaller??Easily done in my opinion, concidering CWL these days!!
Just glad it wasn't worse......
It's been said on the quiet ( amongst staff ) that there will be incidents at CWL this summer due to the bad management there! Here's the first... DON'T let there be more!
Management take note!!!!
Cheers.... NO DEAL!!