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DUB can't be doing too badly for them, it has been increased from 4-8 daily progressively since it was re-introduced a few years ago, and NOC seems to hold its own. Not sure what the future for BHD is, I'd expect it to stick around if Flybe are the rumoured airline to be moving though.
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Flybe are struggling and couple this with having profitability at Gatters marginalised by GIPs new pricing structure, it might be time to leave the London market. I suspect Vueling will be the new face of IAG at Gatwick but this all seems a little soon for that.
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I would question this rumour strongly. Sounds strange to me.
There is now way BE will roll over at LGW. Consider the routes it operates, long served routes. Like channel Island routes, who are up against airlines like BA, Aurigny etc. BE unlikely to drop the likes of GCI or BHD for that matter.
Would be amazed if BE axed LGW. Maybe scale back and increase aircraft size on some routes, but not a withdrawl I would have thought.
There is now way BE will roll over at LGW. Consider the routes it operates, long served routes. Like channel Island routes, who are up against airlines like BA, Aurigny etc. BE unlikely to drop the likes of GCI or BHD for that matter.
Would be amazed if BE axed LGW. Maybe scale back and increase aircraft size on some routes, but not a withdrawl I would have thought.
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I could see them dropping BHD and possibly GCI and JER as they are all strongly competed on (EZY, EI, BA, GR). NQY they have 100% of the market so I could see that staying and from INV they are the only carrier to offer onward connections. NCL could also get dropped as loads have been declining the past couple of years. As for EGC (Bergerac) its probably just a case of it will operate if there is space for it (assuming it makes money!). IOM will probably stay for the moment, possibly get reduced to 3 daily if EZY have significantly impacting P2P/leisure traffic/
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FlyBe should perhaps consider a shift to Stansted. BHD, INV, IOM, NCL and NQY are all not served from Stansted, all of which (I'm not so sure on INV) have been served from Stansted in the past. 2 of which were FR routes and 1 of which was EZY. There is certainly a market for these routes and APD and increased taxation has been the main cause of these carriers axing them.
GCI and JER are very underserved from Stansted, especially JER, with Aurigny being the only carrier serving the Channel Islands. Again, FR and EZY are not at all likely to serve these routes from Stansted so again, would be a sensible option for BE.
At Gatwick there is direct competition on BHD from EI (indirectly to BFS with EZY), direct on INV and IOM with EZY, BA on JER and with GR on GCI.
BE are not in a greatly competitive position at the moment and instead competing with all these carriers indirectly will be better for them in my opinion.
Yes Stansted lacks long-haul but BE could use the LCC aspect of Stansted to promote domestic services to the airport for people to use them as a connecting flight to the main base of LCC for onward flights (remember STN has many unique destinations in Europe that very few if any other UK airport serve, so there could be a demand for this.)
I can't really see what real good being at Gatwick is doing BE as they are burried in fierce competition and are disadvantaged by Gatwick's charging structure. They would be better to go from somewhere much more free from competition and who will give them a fairer price. As for direct travel into London before anybody starts, it really isn't that much more difficult nor expensive to get to London from Stansted than it is from Gatwick.
GCI and JER are very underserved from Stansted, especially JER, with Aurigny being the only carrier serving the Channel Islands. Again, FR and EZY are not at all likely to serve these routes from Stansted so again, would be a sensible option for BE.
At Gatwick there is direct competition on BHD from EI (indirectly to BFS with EZY), direct on INV and IOM with EZY, BA on JER and with GR on GCI.
BE are not in a greatly competitive position at the moment and instead competing with all these carriers indirectly will be better for them in my opinion.
Yes Stansted lacks long-haul but BE could use the LCC aspect of Stansted to promote domestic services to the airport for people to use them as a connecting flight to the main base of LCC for onward flights (remember STN has many unique destinations in Europe that very few if any other UK airport serve, so there could be a demand for this.)
I can't really see what real good being at Gatwick is doing BE as they are burried in fierce competition and are disadvantaged by Gatwick's charging structure. They would be better to go from somewhere much more free from competition and who will give them a fairer price. As for direct travel into London before anybody starts, it really isn't that much more difficult nor expensive to get to London from Stansted than it is from Gatwick.
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From BHD BE provide interlinging and code-share agreements, and if I'm correct, is the only airlines to currently do this from Northern Ireland at LGW.
BA codeshare on the flight, and I'm aware that Virgin Holidays use BE to interline. Other airlines also have such arrangements.
If your final destination from NI is London, you already have a vast choice of routes, times and airports, therefore BE moving to STN I see as a complete no brainer. As FRatSTN has stated there may be a use to connect to loco services from STN but again EZY would already provide this, serving the Belfast market. I would surmise that there is greater demand to connect the destinations via LGW than would be to change to STN.
Also the ability to have formal arrangements with the Gatwick carriers, rather than a loose do-it-youself connection via STN.
BA codeshare on the flight, and I'm aware that Virgin Holidays use BE to interline. Other airlines also have such arrangements.
If your final destination from NI is London, you already have a vast choice of routes, times and airports, therefore BE moving to STN I see as a complete no brainer. As FRatSTN has stated there may be a use to connect to loco services from STN but again EZY would already provide this, serving the Belfast market. I would surmise that there is greater demand to connect the destinations via LGW than would be to change to STN.
Also the ability to have formal arrangements with the Gatwick carriers, rather than a loose do-it-youself connection via STN.
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FWIW as an IOM-LGW FF there's no way I would want to go to STN. It's too far out from most of the places I go in London, and it's hopeless for an LHR connection. Such a move IMHO would shift all IOM-London traffic to easyJet to LGW or BACF to LCY.
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BE would pick up new customers if they went to Stansted...
Customers who want to travel to areas in north/east London where Stansted is more convenient for example.
Customers who had previously used routes such as BHD, NCL and NQY from Stansted when served by FR and EZY.
Customers who are currently having to do what "Haven't a clue" is concerned about, having to travel to a less convenient airport because they haven't the choice.
BE would have more of an opportunity to build a stronger customer base by serving a currently underserved area of the market, instead of fighting for the same customers from the same areas as EZY and BA.
Customers who want to travel to areas in north/east London where Stansted is more convenient for example.
Customers who had previously used routes such as BHD, NCL and NQY from Stansted when served by FR and EZY.
Customers who are currently having to do what "Haven't a clue" is concerned about, having to travel to a less convenient airport because they haven't the choice.
BE would have more of an opportunity to build a stronger customer base by serving a currently underserved area of the market, instead of fighting for the same customers from the same areas as EZY and BA.
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I can't see why flyBE would want to move to Ryanair's major base in the UK. I'm sure IAG are doing their best to attract airlines away from other London airports, but flyBE would be one of the last that should take the bait....... mind you, airline managements don't always make the right decisions.....
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BE would pick up new customers if they went to Stansted...
Customers who want to travel to areas in north/east London where Stansted is more convenient for example.
Customers who want to travel to areas in north/east London where Stansted is more convenient for example.
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Belfast-City Airport (BHD) is only served from Heathrow and Gatwick now in London.
With BHD being substantially more convenient for pratically anybody in Belfast, I think a lot of people, if not the majority would still prefer going from BHD to LHR or LGW rather than travel out to BFS to get into STN, LTN or SEN if they were heading more to the north or east of London.
I think BE would do well on a STN-BHD route. BmiBaby were the most recent to operate it and were reportedly very pleased with its performance.
With BHD being substantially more convenient for pratically anybody in Belfast, I think a lot of people, if not the majority would still prefer going from BHD to LHR or LGW rather than travel out to BFS to get into STN, LTN or SEN if they were heading more to the north or east of London.
I think BE would do well on a STN-BHD route. BmiBaby were the most recent to operate it and were reportedly very pleased with its performance.
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Similarly EZY found no net gain when they tried BFS vs BHD with Luton.
It was also alleged that while FR were able to get bums on seats to STN, yield was just not there from Belfast.
Anyway, I'm sure time will tell...
It was also alleged that while FR were able to get bums on seats to STN, yield was just not there from Belfast.
Anyway, I'm sure time will tell...
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Barling Magma
I think you meant MAG 'Manchester Airport Group' rather then IAG which is the 'International Airline Group'.
And FratStn I and many others appreciate your total enthusiasm for STN but you can't assume that every new airline that you would like to see at STN will be a success for lots of reasons!
I am not bashing STN as I find it a great airport to fly from and I have done so over 100 times and as far as people saying it is in the wrong area well living in Southamton as I do it has taken me on a nice clear morning only one hour and 30 mins to reach the airport from my front drive to the long term car park at STN not bad really as LGW can easily take as long although LHR is only about an hour's drive but that's only to Terminal 5.
I think you meant MAG 'Manchester Airport Group' rather then IAG which is the 'International Airline Group'.
And FratStn I and many others appreciate your total enthusiasm for STN but you can't assume that every new airline that you would like to see at STN will be a success for lots of reasons!
I am not bashing STN as I find it a great airport to fly from and I have done so over 100 times and as far as people saying it is in the wrong area well living in Southamton as I do it has taken me on a nice clear morning only one hour and 30 mins to reach the airport from my front drive to the long term car park at STN not bad really as LGW can easily take as long although LHR is only about an hour's drive but that's only to Terminal 5.
Nothing like a possible-but-as-yet-unverified rumour to get people posting their own bits of random speculation. Who knows - maybe Easyjet is leaving Gatwick because management has decided they don't like flying to airports with a G in the name ? :-)
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Canberra97: yes, indeed I meant MAG of course....... age is catching up on me.
I once travelled by road from Winchester to Southend in 1 hour 30 minutes, but many other times it took an hour longer as I'm sure it would have done to STN - the M25 (and M3 and A127) can be real b*ggers........ and I seem to have been caught in jams on the M11 almost every time I drive south from visiting friends in Suffolk.....
This flying business is all very well, but getting to the airport is the slow and dangerous bit of the journey........
I once travelled by road from Winchester to Southend in 1 hour 30 minutes, but many other times it took an hour longer as I'm sure it would have done to STN - the M25 (and M3 and A127) can be real b*ggers........ and I seem to have been caught in jams on the M11 almost every time I drive south from visiting friends in Suffolk.....
This flying business is all very well, but getting to the airport is the slow and dangerous bit of the journey........