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Quite a lot of competition on that route next Summer then!
Easyjet - 42 weekly
BA - 21 weekly
Vueling - 14 weekly
Monarch - 11 weekly
Up to 13 daily flights (Even Heathrow only has up to 8!) in the peak months, wonder if that can be pulled off?
Easyjet - 42 weekly
BA - 21 weekly
Vueling - 14 weekly
Monarch - 11 weekly
Up to 13 daily flights (Even Heathrow only has up to 8!) in the peak months, wonder if that can be pulled off?
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I didn't get that at the North Terminal last month either, now that I think about it. I never saw the point in that. You've just shown your boarding card to someone at the front who has made sure you are in the right place and are authorised to travel, but then you need to fish it out again about 2 minutes later.
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Quote: "Went through LGW at the weekend and it seems they have stopped the nonsense of asking pax to show their boarding passes at the security conveyor belts. (South Terminal, anyway) "
Quote: "I didn't get that at the North Terminal last month either, now that I think about it. I never saw the point in that. You've just shown your boarding card to someone at the front who has made sure you are in the right place and are authorised to travel, but then you need to fish it out again about 2 minutes later."
There is no point (experienced it in LGW-north in september) it justs delays and inconveniences everyone. Very pleased it has been stopped.
Quote: "I didn't get that at the North Terminal last month either, now that I think about it. I never saw the point in that. You've just shown your boarding card to someone at the front who has made sure you are in the right place and are authorised to travel, but then you need to fish it out again about 2 minutes later."
There is no point (experienced it in LGW-north in september) it justs delays and inconveniences everyone. Very pleased it has been stopped.
Unless a boarding pass and photo ID are matched up at the point dividing landside and airside, or all airlines perform matching of passport details against national Govt databases at the time of online check-in, I struggle to see how asking for visual inspection of a boarding pass alone assists in stopping anyone from going airside. The only benefit I can see is to keep those who are incompetent away from airside, or want to go airside with less than a few hours of planning.
Using cash, buy a prepaid payment card with a spending limit under £650 - no proof of ID or address required.
Top it up at the local minimart with some cash - again, no proof of ID required.
Use the prepaid card to book a flight on the required date under a false identity.
Check in online under said false name, giving a fake passport number - perhaps choose to be a citizen of an EU country whose ID system is less computerised - maybe Bulgaria ?
Carry only some innocent looking hand baggage - anything dangerous like nail scissors will still be caught at security.
Take boarding pass under said false name to Gatwick, and wave it at anyone in a yellow hi-vis jacket who asks to see it.
You can't get on an aircraft, but you're now in the airside part of Gatwick with no record of your real identity.
Yes, there are cameras everywhere, but unless someone's face is on record for bad behaviour in the past, facial recognition will not automatically identify the person as suspicious.
So where does the system stop my plan from working ?
Using cash, buy a prepaid payment card with a spending limit under £650 - no proof of ID or address required.
Top it up at the local minimart with some cash - again, no proof of ID required.
Use the prepaid card to book a flight on the required date under a false identity.
Check in online under said false name, giving a fake passport number - perhaps choose to be a citizen of an EU country whose ID system is less computerised - maybe Bulgaria ?
Carry only some innocent looking hand baggage - anything dangerous like nail scissors will still be caught at security.
Take boarding pass under said false name to Gatwick, and wave it at anyone in a yellow hi-vis jacket who asks to see it.
You can't get on an aircraft, but you're now in the airside part of Gatwick with no record of your real identity.
Yes, there are cameras everywhere, but unless someone's face is on record for bad behaviour in the past, facial recognition will not automatically identify the person as suspicious.
So where does the system stop my plan from working ?
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Gatwick Airport to submit plan for second runway
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-19977226
Gatwick says a new runway could be "affordable and practical" but residents fear extra noise
Gatwick Airport bosses are to begin work on detailed plans for a second runway which would double annual capacity to 70 million passengers.
The West Sussex airport's owners say they will scrutinise the options to develop the site up to 2020 and beyond.
Following 18 weeks of consultation, they will now put plans to an aviation commission led by ex-Financial Services Authority boss Sir Howard Davies.
Campaigners fear expansion will raise noise levels and harm the environment.
Noise impact
Mark Norman BBC South East Business Correspondent
Is this a surprise? Probably not. Despite the airport saying in July it had "no current plans for a second runway" and was "focused on making the best use of its single runway" the owners of Gatwick have clearly been working behind the scenes on plans for extra capacity.
The airport has always said it needs to plan for all eventualities.
The last time I spoke to one of their board members they shrugged and smiled when I suggested a second runway was probably discussed at every board meeting.
Land to the south of the current runway has been "safeguarded" for this moment and while all parties are committed to the legal agreement not to build until 2019, I have to wonder how soon after the end of that agreement the owners would like to see bulldozers starting work.
Gatwick said no runway would be built before 2019 under a legal agreement signed in 1979.
Gatwick says a new runway could be "affordable and practical" but residents fear extra noise
Gatwick Airport bosses are to begin work on detailed plans for a second runway which would double annual capacity to 70 million passengers.
The West Sussex airport's owners say they will scrutinise the options to develop the site up to 2020 and beyond.
Following 18 weeks of consultation, they will now put plans to an aviation commission led by ex-Financial Services Authority boss Sir Howard Davies.
Campaigners fear expansion will raise noise levels and harm the environment.
Noise impact
Mark Norman BBC South East Business Correspondent
Is this a surprise? Probably not. Despite the airport saying in July it had "no current plans for a second runway" and was "focused on making the best use of its single runway" the owners of Gatwick have clearly been working behind the scenes on plans for extra capacity.
The airport has always said it needs to plan for all eventualities.
The last time I spoke to one of their board members they shrugged and smiled when I suggested a second runway was probably discussed at every board meeting.
Land to the south of the current runway has been "safeguarded" for this moment and while all parties are committed to the legal agreement not to build until 2019, I have to wonder how soon after the end of that agreement the owners would like to see bulldozers starting work.
Gatwick said no runway would be built before 2019 under a legal agreement signed in 1979.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Gatwick airport to push for second runway
Grauniad: Gatwick airport to push for second runway
Sussex airport throws its hat into ring as government commission prepares to consider options for increasing capacity
Gatwick has declared its intent to push for a second runway and is to start drawing up detailed plans for government approval. The airport says the runway is "affordable and practical" and will allow it to compete with its bigger London rival, Heathrow, where any runway expansion has been ruled out for now.
Although an agreement prohibits any new runway opening before 2019 at Gatwick, the airport is to start detailed work on the options, to be presented to the government's Davies commission on aviation with a view to getting the go-ahead after the next election. A second runway would increase capacity to 70 million passengers a year and would also mean the construction of a third terminal building.
Campaigners warned they would "fight tooth and nail" against any proposal.
The airport's chief executive, Stewart Wingate, said he believed a new Gatwick runway was the best answer to calls for more capacity in the south-east. He said: "A third runway at Heathrow won't happen. The Thames estuary won't happen. Stansted is only half full. But Gatwick is tremendously dynamic." In the three years since Gatwick was sold by BAA, Wingate said that owners Global Infrastructure Partners had invested over £650m and set up new routes to China, Korea and Vietnam. "So we have got wind in our sails, and the time was right to start the detailed work."
The plans would eventually double the numbers of passengers at the Sussex airport, which believes its current capacity to grow from 34 million to 45 million with a single runway will see it through until the mid-2020s. The timing of the announcement will push Gatwick to the forefront of government thinking on airport expansion, with the commission led by Sir Howard Davies being assembled to give its verdict on possible new runways in 2015.
Heathrow claims there can be only one "hub" airport in Britain – an airport that supports enough connecting flights to make long-haul routes possible – but Gatwick rejects that argument. Wingate said: "We don't see the world in the same way. For us the question is: how can London connect with the rest of the world? The hub argument says you can't connect with the emerging economies – well, we've already done it."...........(more)
Sussex airport throws its hat into ring as government commission prepares to consider options for increasing capacity
Gatwick has declared its intent to push for a second runway and is to start drawing up detailed plans for government approval. The airport says the runway is "affordable and practical" and will allow it to compete with its bigger London rival, Heathrow, where any runway expansion has been ruled out for now.
Although an agreement prohibits any new runway opening before 2019 at Gatwick, the airport is to start detailed work on the options, to be presented to the government's Davies commission on aviation with a view to getting the go-ahead after the next election. A second runway would increase capacity to 70 million passengers a year and would also mean the construction of a third terminal building.
Campaigners warned they would "fight tooth and nail" against any proposal.
The airport's chief executive, Stewart Wingate, said he believed a new Gatwick runway was the best answer to calls for more capacity in the south-east. He said: "A third runway at Heathrow won't happen. The Thames estuary won't happen. Stansted is only half full. But Gatwick is tremendously dynamic." In the three years since Gatwick was sold by BAA, Wingate said that owners Global Infrastructure Partners had invested over £650m and set up new routes to China, Korea and Vietnam. "So we have got wind in our sails, and the time was right to start the detailed work."
The plans would eventually double the numbers of passengers at the Sussex airport, which believes its current capacity to grow from 34 million to 45 million with a single runway will see it through until the mid-2020s. The timing of the announcement will push Gatwick to the forefront of government thinking on airport expansion, with the commission led by Sir Howard Davies being assembled to give its verdict on possible new runways in 2015.
Heathrow claims there can be only one "hub" airport in Britain – an airport that supports enough connecting flights to make long-haul routes possible – but Gatwick rejects that argument. Wingate said: "We don't see the world in the same way. For us the question is: how can London connect with the rest of the world? The hub argument says you can't connect with the emerging economies – well, we've already done it."...........(more)
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This would be a completely new Runway 26L / 08R. To the south of the current one. This land has been safeguarded for a while.
I expect the Bulldozers to be on the start line on 01 JAN 2019!
I expect the Bulldozers to be on the start line on 01 JAN 2019!
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I expect the Bulldozers to be on the start line on 01 JAN 2019!
Although an agreement prohibits any new runway opening before 2019 at Gatwick
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Ahh yes, Good point BOAC.. I guess they could build it earlier as long as it's not operational before 2019.
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Have to say, anybody who wasn't expecting this must be really naive. I have been certain the whole way through the latest consultation/masterplan process that a second runway would start being spoken about. I actually didn't expect the airport to say anything until around a couple of years before 2019 however.
Yes to 2nd Runway
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I guess they could build it earlier as long as it's not operational before 2019.
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From today's (17th 0ct) London Evening Standard editorial re: Gatwick expansion,
"Indeed, a new hub in the east is looking increasingly attractive as a long term solution. The Mayor's favourite Thames Estuary option would create fewer problems for densely populated areas than expansion at Heathrow, for instance. It would also meet the gradual shifting of gravity in the capital eastwards, something that the completion of Crossrail will expedite."
Sounds very similar to a certain PPRuNer!
Now, this isn't my opinion by any stretch, as I'm fully aware of the business case for 1 or 2 runways at Heathrow & maybe a 2nd at Gatwick in addition to that, but I reckon the government will actually only ever look at two options: Silver/Boris Island or Stanstead (That's for you Silver!)
"Indeed, a new hub in the east is looking increasingly attractive as a long term solution. The Mayor's favourite Thames Estuary option would create fewer problems for densely populated areas than expansion at Heathrow, for instance. It would also meet the gradual shifting of gravity in the capital eastwards, something that the completion of Crossrail will expedite."
Sounds very similar to a certain PPRuNer!
Now, this isn't my opinion by any stretch, as I'm fully aware of the business case for 1 or 2 runways at Heathrow & maybe a 2nd at Gatwick in addition to that, but I reckon the government will actually only ever look at two options: Silver/Boris Island or Stanstead (That's for you Silver!)
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Nah, Boris Island is a non-starter and Stansted is a dying half empty airport. No point expanding somewhere that nobody wants to travel from..
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Out Of Trim,
Totally agree, but the government doesn't really apply logic to the argument. They are probably, hopelessly going to follow the path of least friction. Why do you think they've thrown the debate into the long grass.... again?
Now, I don't agree with most of what our beloved Boris has to say, but his comments about delaying the decision making on runway capacity are absolutely correct, just not where he wants to put them.
I'm now unsure where I should be writing these posts, as they began with reference to Gatwick's new proposals, but now I'm drifting towards "New Thames Airport for London"
Totally agree, but the government doesn't really apply logic to the argument. They are probably, hopelessly going to follow the path of least friction. Why do you think they've thrown the debate into the long grass.... again?
Now, I don't agree with most of what our beloved Boris has to say, but his comments about delaying the decision making on runway capacity are absolutely correct, just not where he wants to put them.
I'm now unsure where I should be writing these posts, as they began with reference to Gatwick's new proposals, but now I'm drifting towards "New Thames Airport for London"
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Construction of second runway & infrastructure could not start until 2019 but planning could get done now, application, objections, committee, basically all red tape so it would be ready to actually dig earth from this date.
If all approved then would not any new terminal(s) or major upgrade be put in place way before?
If all approved then would not any new terminal(s) or major upgrade be put in place way before?