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Don't see how relocating elsewhere would make sense. Flybe currently serves INV, NCL, GCI, JER, BHD, IOM and NQY.
INV: easyJet will simply ramp up capacity from LGW and LTN.
JER: I suppose BA will add some capacity at LGW or start up from LCY and easyJet (or another airline) is likely to open a route to JER from LGW. Probably some opportunity for BE to extend seasonal flying from LTN, but the main customer base will be catered for from airlines that remain in business at LGW. At STN, traditionally a rather poor C.I. market with a lot of airlines coming and going, they would have to push out Blue Islands.
NCL: My gut feeling is that this is a route BE cannot transfer to STN, SEN or LTN as it caters for a specific "south of London" catchment area. It is a marginal anyway.
BHD: I don't see the point of serving BHD from LTN, STN or SEN in competition to existing BFS services at those airports by easyJet. Who would make the trek to SEN or STN instead of flying to BHD from LHR or simply switching to LGW-BFS?
NQY: If easyJet is not interested in serving LGW-NQY, I could see it work for BE from LTN as the Cornish market will simply will have to accept whatever is offered as the LON terminus. But as easyJet alreadly serves NQY from SEN, I doubt that they would be uninterested in flying from LGW by moving and expanding its SEN-NQY operation.
IOM: Here I can see LTN as an option as IOM-LTN has a bit of a tradition as a farecracker route. But it really depends on how much additional capacity easyJet would deploy on LGW-IOM. If they only add a second daily flight, it owuld leave some space for Flybe to do a double daily into LTN.
GCI: I suppose Aurigny will add capacity to LGW and STN and that's it. Maybe Blue Islands throws in LCY for the fat cat business if decent slots are available at LCY.
In short, most of Flybe's LGW business will be taken up by other airlines, so there is little point of replicating the existing LGW network at one of the north/east London airports.
INV: easyJet will simply ramp up capacity from LGW and LTN.
JER: I suppose BA will add some capacity at LGW or start up from LCY and easyJet (or another airline) is likely to open a route to JER from LGW. Probably some opportunity for BE to extend seasonal flying from LTN, but the main customer base will be catered for from airlines that remain in business at LGW. At STN, traditionally a rather poor C.I. market with a lot of airlines coming and going, they would have to push out Blue Islands.
NCL: My gut feeling is that this is a route BE cannot transfer to STN, SEN or LTN as it caters for a specific "south of London" catchment area. It is a marginal anyway.
BHD: I don't see the point of serving BHD from LTN, STN or SEN in competition to existing BFS services at those airports by easyJet. Who would make the trek to SEN or STN instead of flying to BHD from LHR or simply switching to LGW-BFS?
NQY: If easyJet is not interested in serving LGW-NQY, I could see it work for BE from LTN as the Cornish market will simply will have to accept whatever is offered as the LON terminus. But as easyJet alreadly serves NQY from SEN, I doubt that they would be uninterested in flying from LGW by moving and expanding its SEN-NQY operation.
IOM: Here I can see LTN as an option as IOM-LTN has a bit of a tradition as a farecracker route. But it really depends on how much additional capacity easyJet would deploy on LGW-IOM. If they only add a second daily flight, it owuld leave some space for Flybe to do a double daily into LTN.
GCI: I suppose Aurigny will add capacity to LGW and STN and that's it. Maybe Blue Islands throws in LCY for the fat cat business if decent slots are available at LCY.
In short, most of Flybe's LGW business will be taken up by other airlines, so there is little point of replicating the existing LGW network at one of the north/east London airports.
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Flybe have 25 slot pairs, but they have not confirmed how many they want to dispose of. It could be 5, could be 12 and or could be all of them. We won't know until a deal is done and its announced.
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NAS now seem to have released the bulk of W13 flights out of Lgw, with many of the new routes having services over the winter. They have a UK site, with Lgw as the main departure airport, but some of the destinations are not listed under Lgw, but with all destinations. Examples are IBZ, AGP and LPA. Would this not cost them bookings as some people would not think to look under the list of all destinations as opposed to those listed under Lgw? Would they not be better to fix this?
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Following on from the last couple of days news about BE flogging LGW slots, a little bird tells me that the deals being negotiated exclude the GCI slots.
Grapevine suggests they could be sold to Blue Island. Interesting times for Aurigney............
Grapevine suggests they could be sold to Blue Island. Interesting times for Aurigney............
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Surprised to hear that. Why would Flybe limit its choices by promising to sell slots to a certain airline for a certain route? Does not make much sense economically.
If it happens, we are looking at five slot pairs. This would mean 4m GBP - are Blue Islands' pockets deep enough for that kind of spending?
If it happens, we are looking at five slot pairs. This would mean 4m GBP - are Blue Islands' pockets deep enough for that kind of spending?
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With first month of flying LGW-ALC completed for Norwegian, it's time to reveal the passenger number and cabin factor for four return flights (Saturdays) in April.
Passengers flown = 1265
Seat per aircraft = 186
Average passengers per flight = 158.1
Cabin factor = 85.0%
Not bad for a start up month.
Source: AENA
Passengers flown = 1265
Seat per aircraft = 186
Average passengers per flight = 158.1
Cabin factor = 85.0%
Not bad for a start up month.
Source: AENA
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Flybe's duty is to its shareholders - not the residents of Guernsey - if they can extract the same from Blue Island as Easyjet, then fair enough - but to sell the slots for less than they are worth is a dereliction of duty to shareholders (unless there is another gain that offsets it).
All of the airports set on losing some or all of their Gatwick connections are concerned - Guernsey will be keeping more than half of what they currently have - a lot better than some others.
All of the airports set on losing some or all of their Gatwick connections are concerned - Guernsey will be keeping more than half of what they currently have - a lot better than some others.
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Surely BE are just considering the sale of LGW slots? What the purchaser does with those slots remains to be seen. The slots are not paired with an origin/destination airport.
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Surely BE are just considering the sale of LGW slots? What the purchaser does with those slots remains to be seen. The slots are not paired with an origin/destination airport.
Also agree that a slot is a slot is a slot and that any new owner could do what they like with them, but I don't see Blue Island starting an LGW service to anywhere other than GCI - hence my view that these are interesting times for GR.
Flybe
Surely this slot sale must be a desperate las throw of the dice by flybe.
No sooner do they introduce the embraer on the egjb to egjb route, then they sell the slots.
Doesn't indicate a lot of forward planning to me , rather a lurching from one traumatic move to the next.
The end is nigh.
No sooner do they introduce the embraer on the egjb to egjb route, then they sell the slots.
Doesn't indicate a lot of forward planning to me , rather a lurching from one traumatic move to the next.
The end is nigh.
Flybe
Surely this slot sale must be a desperate last throw of the dice by flybe.
No sooner do they introduce the embraer on the egjb to egkk route, then they sell the slots.
Doesn't indicate a lot of forward planning to me , rather a lurching from one traumatic move to the next.
The end is nigh.
No sooner do they introduce the embraer on the egjb to egkk route, then they sell the slots.
Doesn't indicate a lot of forward planning to me , rather a lurching from one traumatic move to the next.
The end is nigh.
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The change of charging at one airport to the detriment of flybe is beyond their control. In those circumstances where profit is now marginal or beyond reach it is perfectly sensible to sell out and go elsewhere. It happened at LHR, it's happening at LGW.
Hardly flybe's fault and quite far from the end thank you Private Fraser.
Hardly flybe's fault and quite far from the end thank you Private Fraser.
Flybe
I take your point & agree with it. But it's not just gat wick that flybe have a problem with. It's pretty much everything!
I don't necessarily believe that Armageddon is hovering, but it doesn't look good from where I'm standing.
The present review of operations is just the company's planned first phase. What will the second phase hold in store?
I don't necessarily believe that Armageddon is hovering, but it doesn't look good from where I'm standing.
The present review of operations is just the company's planned first phase. What will the second phase hold in store?
There has been talk as to how Flybe will go about selling their Gatwick slots. This would be done via a formal written contract, but the only requirements for a contract to be valid normally is that both parties are willing and that there is the exchange of something of value - slots in exchange for cash. Once these conditions are achieved, you're then into haggling between parties.
Does ACL or Gatwick permit slots to be sold with conditions, either formally or informally ? Could Flybe sell slots to Easyjet on the condition that Easyjet does not increase capacity on Gatwick-Jersey for the next 3 years and that the slots sold must be used for other routss ? Would such a contract be enforceable in court if absolutely necessary ? Or would airlines perhaps accept a gentleman's agreement over a 3 year period ?
If such an agreement could be reached, it may give Flybe time to set up operations at Stansted instead without being driven out of London entirely. Yes, the slot price woulf be lower, but pretty much everything has a price...
Separately, anyone know if the slots are being sold from October 2013 onwards or if the sale takes effect at March 2014 ?
Does ACL or Gatwick permit slots to be sold with conditions, either formally or informally ? Could Flybe sell slots to Easyjet on the condition that Easyjet does not increase capacity on Gatwick-Jersey for the next 3 years and that the slots sold must be used for other routss ? Would such a contract be enforceable in court if absolutely necessary ? Or would airlines perhaps accept a gentleman's agreement over a 3 year period ?
If such an agreement could be reached, it may give Flybe time to set up operations at Stansted instead without being driven out of London entirely. Yes, the slot price woulf be lower, but pretty much everything has a price...
Separately, anyone know if the slots are being sold from October 2013 onwards or if the sale takes effect at March 2014 ?
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There was a full page report in the business section of The Tmes on Saturday on Norwegian. In it, the Chief Exe, Bjorn Kjos seems to indicate that they will start flights ex Lgw to the Far East starting with Bangkok. No firm start given.
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That would be an interesting move for Norwegian, I'd go as far to suggest that they would be the most appropriate airline to (eventually) offer a daily LGW-JFK route, as their semi low-cost positioning in the market could be an effective way to pull some of the economy/premium economy passengers from up the road!
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Korean is timetabled from late June as KE909 / 910 1945-2115 thrice weekly for July.
Regarding Norwegain Air Shuttle, if BA, VS and CO walked away from LGW-NYC, DY won't be any more succesful. Let's see how flying LN registered B787s with non European and contract flight deck and cabin crews works out first. LGW-BKK is already well served by Emirates over DXB and they won't sit back and let a newbie waltz in and steal those passengers. If DY do start BKK-LGW, then I might expect an A380 on the DXB run to kill it off.
Regarding Norwegain Air Shuttle, if BA, VS and CO walked away from LGW-NYC, DY won't be any more succesful. Let's see how flying LN registered B787s with non European and contract flight deck and cabin crews works out first. LGW-BKK is already well served by Emirates over DXB and they won't sit back and let a newbie waltz in and steal those passengers. If DY do start BKK-LGW, then I might expect an A380 on the DXB run to kill it off.
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Blue Islands slots
Blue Islands don't want any FlyBe slots at LGW.
Here's the statement - don't think they will be going to LGW anytime soon!
Blue Islands statement on Gatwick slots - Business News | businesslife.co
Here's the statement - don't think they will be going to LGW anytime soon!
Blue Islands statement on Gatwick slots - Business News | businesslife.co
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It won't be easy for Norwegian to establish themselves in any long haul market, however I believe that their brand new aircraft, reasonable product and most importantly a low cost base in comparison to many long haul carriers could make them an appealing alternative to the norm. That is also why I feel they could make a better job of a JFK route than the other mentioned airlines in S1E's post. I'd say after BKK we could see HKT and possibly FLL introduced however these would ultimately rely on how the former performs.