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BA A321s curved push
We've had (at least) three of these today on the LHR run. Is there a requirement now for them to curve push from Stand 7? Is there something behind them now which means they have to carry out this manoeuvre? I know Area 01 is infield from the main apron but that's always been there as long as I remember.
Also do fellow posters reckon that we will be affected this winter by a drop in the BA freq on the LHR route? A 3-5% reduction overall in short haul must surely mean ABZ will take its share of the pain? If EDI & GLA are to lose freq, then reasonable to expect ABZ to lose also?
Also do fellow posters reckon that we will be affected this winter by a drop in the BA freq on the LHR route? A 3-5% reduction overall in short haul must surely mean ABZ will take its share of the pain? If EDI & GLA are to lose freq, then reasonable to expect ABZ to lose also?
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Im not sure that it necessarily follows that ABZ will lose frequencies. Remember that EDI and GLA have frequent LCY, plus far more frequent STN LTN AND LGW routes so there is a lot more to accomodate any reduction here.
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I would expect the three big LHR domestic routes: MAN, GLA and EDI to loose mid-day sectors where they can be used for long haul flights and also are not very lucrative to the airline.
ABZ and others such as NCL do not have as high a frequency and will probably not loose one.
ABZ and others such as NCL do not have as high a frequency and will probably not loose one.
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Hasn't stopped the local speculation that BA are at least looking to cut the route back, indeed some say stop it altogether.
BA have neither "confirmed or denied" the rumours.
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This will be very bad news for ABZ if BA pull out.
Article in today's P&J
Uncertainty over BA flights between Aberdeen and London - Press & Journal
Article in today's P&J
Uncertainty over BA flights between Aberdeen and London - Press & Journal
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BA will not pull the plug on the LHR route completely. They may reduce some of the middle of the day schedules when they are normally less than full and there is greater choice with BMI. Red eye is nearly always full going out and last two flights nearly always full coming back. There is also the vital link with Houston through LHR - prob 20 to 30 per day hook up with the IAH connection at LHR. Now that this will leave from T5 it will be impossible or nearly so to connect with a flight out of ABZ to T1 with another airline.
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Looks as if Eastern have reversed the WIC route, so that there is no longer a nightstopper in WIC.
Guess not so important in the greater scheme of things, but what the hell!
Guess not so important in the greater scheme of things, but what the hell!
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If true, would that be in their own right, or on Flybe's behalf?
The recently dropped NCL by Flybe seemed to have loads that would be more suited to Saab 340 than Dash Delta (although dunno how poor yield was).
JS41 & SF34 seem to be suited to many ABZ routes, but they are no longer made - the a/c types used by the locos these days are too big for many ABZ routes, especially if they are competing routes. In hindsight daily LPL for example on a B738 was probably ultimately too much.
How about Cityjet & Aer Arann - have bosses at ABZ talked to them I wonder?
I suppose, ultimately, many see ABZ as too far away to be worth serving, plus the added fuel costs would make it even less appealing - perhaps BAA bosses are running around in ever decreasing circles trying to attract new operators/routes (especially with the knowledge that operating into/out of Dyce ain't cheap.
The recently dropped NCL by Flybe seemed to have loads that would be more suited to Saab 340 than Dash Delta (although dunno how poor yield was).
JS41 & SF34 seem to be suited to many ABZ routes, but they are no longer made - the a/c types used by the locos these days are too big for many ABZ routes, especially if they are competing routes. In hindsight daily LPL for example on a B738 was probably ultimately too much.
How about Cityjet & Aer Arann - have bosses at ABZ talked to them I wonder?
I suppose, ultimately, many see ABZ as too far away to be worth serving, plus the added fuel costs would make it even less appealing - perhaps BAA bosses are running around in ever decreasing circles trying to attract new operators/routes (especially with the knowledge that operating into/out of Dyce ain't cheap.
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Well I didn't think ABZ would escape BA's cuts & it hasn't. Upwards of 60 flights cut from the winter schedule. Wonder how that compares in proportion to GLA/EDI.
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Well not surprisingly, being reported that ABZ is worst hit out of the London-Scotland cuts, 6.5% of flights axed from the LHR winter schedule (how do you get 0.5%??), having previously axed LGW. Can't say I'm surprised to be honest. Seems BA is no longer committed to serving the north of Scotland - ironic that the oil industry is booming up here, yet the main link to LHR for onward connections for that industry is being cut.
I doubt the axed flights will return if there is an upturn in the world economy, BA will likely use the slots on what they see as more lucrative long haul.
Easier to cut back ABZ, then axe it totally, which I think is coming. Those who think that ABZ is always adversely affected in any delays etc will have more ammo today.
Maybe some will disagree, but maybe it is time to wave bye-bye to BA at ABZ, they have been reducing their presence over recent years, culminating in losing LGW earlier in the year, ground/handling ops last year & now this announcement.
Should we be worried if BA finally pull out of ABZ?
Edit:
Well not surprisingly, being reported that ABZ is worst hit out of the London-Scotland cuts, 6.5% of flights axed from the LHR winter schedule (how do you get 0.5%??), having previously axed LGW. Can't say I'm surprised to be honest. Seems BA is no longer committed to serving the north of Scotland - ironic that the oil industry is booming up here, yet the main link to LHR for onward connections for that industry is being cut.
I doubt the axed flights will return if there is an upturn in the world economy, BA will likely use the slots on what they see as more lucrative long haul.
Easier to cut back ABZ, then axe it totally, which I think is coming. Those who think that ABZ is always adversely affected in any delays etc will have more ammo today.
Maybe some will disagree, but maybe it is time to wave bye-bye to BA at ABZ, they have been reducing their presence over recent years, culminating in losing LGW earlier in the year, ground/handling ops last year & now this announcement.
Should we be worried if BA finally pull out of ABZ?
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Are these not just the same cuts in the Winter Schedule as last year ?
Saying upwards of 60 flights is I feel scaremongering, as this is over the whole winter schedule that the 60 are dropped ie 1 flight each day at the w/e.
Saying upwards of 60 flights is I feel scaremongering, as this is over the whole winter schedule that the 60 are dropped ie 1 flight each day at the w/e.
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Ok the winter timetable is 26th October to 28th March = 153 days of operation ( No flights Christmas day).
So say BA cut 70 flights ex ABZ. That means that one frequency has been cut on average every 2.2days. Thats not alot really. Everyone forgets times are getting harder and harder for airlines and cuts in schedules are inevitable. I know any cut is bad news b ut atleast they haven't halved the number of flights.
As with most of the frequency cuts they will probably be at weekend and won't impact that much on the weekday schedule.
So say BA cut 70 flights ex ABZ. That means that one frequency has been cut on average every 2.2days. Thats not alot really. Everyone forgets times are getting harder and harder for airlines and cuts in schedules are inevitable. I know any cut is bad news b ut atleast they haven't halved the number of flights.
As with most of the frequency cuts they will probably be at weekend and won't impact that much on the weekday schedule.