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devon-guy - yep it sure does - it depends on where the replacement crew are based and how they can get to GCI, it's not as if u can jump in a car and drive to GCI - there's this little bit of water in the way......
so it's dependent on various airlines schedule's if there's non of the own airline's flight's going there and wether there's any seats available....
so it's dependent on various airlines schedule's if there's non of the own airline's flight's going there and wether there's any seats available....
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FlyBe seems to have requested slots for a new SOU service at DUS due to start with the change to winter schedule - any insight into how serious these plans are ?
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Flybe were having a lot of delays over the weekend - Manchester, Malaga all left between 2 and 3 hours late mainly due to aircraft having to land at BOH the previous evening. Crew arriving at SOU at normal time had to get to BOH and bring the plane back to SOU to operate the flight. Have they never heard of a phone so that the crew cold have been informed and possibly arrived early to try and minimise any delays.
Returning Manchester yesterday was 3+ due to an equipment change that MAN had not been told about! 146 changed to Q400 - no apologies until on ground in SOU and that from cabin crew. Flight deck crew silent - not impressed.
Returning Manchester yesterday was 3+ due to an equipment change that MAN had not been told about! 146 changed to Q400 - no apologies until on ground in SOU and that from cabin crew. Flight deck crew silent - not impressed.
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Have they never heard of a phone so that the crew cold have been informed and possibly arrived early to try and minimise any delays.
Returning Manchester yesterday was 3+ due to an equipment change that MAN had not been told about!
It was scheduled to be a 146 as boarding pass had seat 15F but even at 8am the flight was showing a 1hour delay which crept to 3 during the day.
Perhaps the 146 had a tech problem which is becoming a regular feature of those aircraft.
Appreciate what you said about minimum rest but the crew that flew the aircraft from BOH to SOU to MAN were not the ones who had to divert to BOH on the Friday night as the Captain said that they had to get it from BOH that morning.
Flybe do suffer a lot with delays and it only takes a small problem to cause a knockon effect which may take a few days to recover from. Channel Island wx is a major headache.
Perhaps the 146 had a tech problem which is becoming a regular feature of those aircraft.
Appreciate what you said about minimum rest but the crew that flew the aircraft from BOH to SOU to MAN were not the ones who had to divert to BOH on the Friday night as the Captain said that they had to get it from BOH that morning.
Flybe do suffer a lot with delays and it only takes a small problem to cause a knockon effect which may take a few days to recover from. Channel Island wx is a major headache.
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PaulC, it may have well been the case that the crew for the morning flights were not from the "nightshift" the day before. Infact very unlikely. However you need to undertand CAP371 which is the "flight time regs" etc for Aircrew. This is how an operator bases their code of conduct etc with its crews as depicted by the afformentioned manual and then approved by the CAA.
One of these requirements in a very broad sense - is that crew should not be called within their rest period prior to a checkin time. Indeed the crew need not be contactable during this time. Many crew including myself, have no problem with being told ahead of time if ops require a change of plan. However it is a legal right of the crew to not be told until their original report time. It only takes one crew member to not answer their phone and the whole plan is scuppered anyway.
As is the case with the pax - you can't please all the people all the time. Unfortunately in this case the regs take precedance.
At the end of the day as much as you felt hacked off and perhaps the crew should have been more open with you - seperate issue - I am sure you would rather have a rested and clear headed crew flying you home. That is why these rules are in place. Believe you me - if they (the airlines) could get away with it - christ they would have done it a million times by now as it saves MONEY and PR for the airline.
The old saying "Being stuck between a rock and a hardpost" comes to mind!
One of these requirements in a very broad sense - is that crew should not be called within their rest period prior to a checkin time. Indeed the crew need not be contactable during this time. Many crew including myself, have no problem with being told ahead of time if ops require a change of plan. However it is a legal right of the crew to not be told until their original report time. It only takes one crew member to not answer their phone and the whole plan is scuppered anyway.
As is the case with the pax - you can't please all the people all the time. Unfortunately in this case the regs take precedance.
At the end of the day as much as you felt hacked off and perhaps the crew should have been more open with you - seperate issue - I am sure you would rather have a rested and clear headed crew flying you home. That is why these rules are in place. Believe you me - if they (the airlines) could get away with it - christ they would have done it a million times by now as it saves MONEY and PR for the airline.
The old saying "Being stuck between a rock and a hardpost" comes to mind!
CaptainAirProx,
many thanks for your reply - I do appreciate what you are saying about crew rest etc. However as a regular SOU user these delays are all too common yet Flybe seem unable to either do much about preventing them or recover quickly when things do go pear shaped. A sign perhaps that their resources are stretched to a point where if things do go wrong it will cascade and still be felt 2 or 3 days after the original problem.
Many of the people on the return flight were also on the outbound flight on Saturday and were not impressed at being delayed again.
No excuse for flight deck crew to keep quiet - bad PR not to make an apology
many thanks for your reply - I do appreciate what you are saying about crew rest etc. However as a regular SOU user these delays are all too common yet Flybe seem unable to either do much about preventing them or recover quickly when things do go pear shaped. A sign perhaps that their resources are stretched to a point where if things do go wrong it will cascade and still be felt 2 or 3 days after the original problem.
Many of the people on the return flight were also on the outbound flight on Saturday and were not impressed at being delayed again.
No excuse for flight deck crew to keep quiet - bad PR not to make an apology
Definitely take your point regarding poor PR but I'm not sure if many of the company pilots feel sufficiently loyal towards the company to always make announcements especially if they've been shafted themselves.
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Channel Islands Based Aircraft
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Jersey and Guernsey have 1 x Bae146 300 and 1 x Dash 400 aircraft in each island, sometimes when tech a Bae146 200 will be in place for a short term.
No Dash or Jet in Alderney hope this is of some help.
We understand there could be another Dash based in Jersey at some time in the future.
Jersey and Guernsey have 1 x Bae146 300 and 1 x Dash 400 aircraft in each island, sometimes when tech a Bae146 200 will be in place for a short term.
No Dash or Jet in Alderney hope this is of some help.
We understand there could be another Dash based in Jersey at some time in the future.
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I think on the lines that Flybe where requesting slots from SOU - DUS is very true, Flybe are looking at this route from NWI as i read in my local paper with quotes from Mike Rutter saying that he is looking at routes suchas this and also Olso and Bergan!! so maybe SOU will also get these routes
after hardly having any delays from Norwich these pass few weeks the Paris flight has been delayed by 1hr and a half and will have a knock on effect on the edinburgh route
surely if they keep having these delays they will lose customers and may find there planes very empty
after hardly having any delays from Norwich these pass few weeks the Paris flight has been delayed by 1hr and a half and will have a knock on effect on the edinburgh route
surely if they keep having these delays they will lose customers and may find there planes very empty
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GBALU53,
I think Flybe's main bases are Belfast, Exeter, Southampton, Norwich, Liverpool, etc.
Not sure how many aircraft they have based at each of these airports, however!
Jan
I think Flybe's main bases are Belfast, Exeter, Southampton, Norwich, Liverpool, etc.
Not sure how many aircraft they have based at each of these airports, however!
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Not quite old chap.
Current crew bases are EXT, SOU, JER, GCI, NWI, BHX, BHD, GLA and EDI. All other 'bases' are no more than company destinations. The aircraft mix at each is subject to change as new Q400s arrive, and especially as the E195 is brought into service and the 737 contract with Astraeus ends.
Current crew bases are EXT, SOU, JER, GCI, NWI, BHX, BHD, GLA and EDI. All other 'bases' are no more than company destinations. The aircraft mix at each is subject to change as new Q400s arrive, and especially as the E195 is brought into service and the 737 contract with Astraeus ends.