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EMA would be the better choice. EMA can handle whichever aircraft is decided, is close to target passengers (Indian commuities in the East and West Midlands and South Yorkshire) and will not compete with PIA from LBA.
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However they are suggesting a lease on the 777's, which cannot operate from LBA as far as im aware, like i say. Unless the get the 767?
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777-200 take off field required 2438m, landing 1548m. BRS 2011m LBA 2250m NCL 2329m CDF 2392m.
DSA 2891m, so thats it then Shaheen will come to DSA or EMA as every take off will need to be at max as they are always full with max baggage and fuel!
DSA 2891m, so thats it then Shaheen will come to DSA or EMA as every take off will need to be at max as they are always full with max baggage and fuel!
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Agree with pug that anything this lot say needs to be taken with pinch of salt.
EMA would make sense with Leicester community on face of it - though do you know ethnic breakdown, i.e. I know the population has an Asian ancestry, but is it weighted in any way India/Pakistan/Bangladesh? Also what competition is there from BHX to Pakistan?
Addition:
To answer my own question, after a lot of Googling, 28% of Leicester's population had non-British ancestry according to the 1991 census. Now here's the surprise: whereas 22% of the population had Indian ancestry, only 1% of the population had Pakistani ancestry. So perhaps that expected demand isn't there.
(Obviously if you live in or near Leicester, this won't be a surprise)
So maybe DSA could have a better locational advantage than EMA.
EMA would make sense with Leicester community on face of it - though do you know ethnic breakdown, i.e. I know the population has an Asian ancestry, but is it weighted in any way India/Pakistan/Bangladesh? Also what competition is there from BHX to Pakistan?
Addition:
To answer my own question, after a lot of Googling, 28% of Leicester's population had non-British ancestry according to the 1991 census. Now here's the surprise: whereas 22% of the population had Indian ancestry, only 1% of the population had Pakistani ancestry. So perhaps that expected demand isn't there.
(Obviously if you live in or near Leicester, this won't be a surprise)
So maybe DSA could have a better locational advantage than EMA.
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777-200 take off field required 2438m, landing 1548m. BRS 2011m LBA 2250m NCL 2329m CDF 2392m.
Hooded, where do those figures come from and based on what loads.
Based on these figures, cardiff cannot handle the B777, yet Cardiff is BA's engineering base, so regularly sees their B777-200's and B747-400. Also it receives the odd divert from BA, as seen by the recent snow closures.
I ask as these may be figures for fully loaded B777-200's, whereas the ones cardiff sees or either empty both in and out, and the diverts come in full out empty (if pax are offloaded).
Hooded, where do those figures come from and based on what loads.
Based on these figures, cardiff cannot handle the B777, yet Cardiff is BA's engineering base, so regularly sees their B777-200's and B747-400. Also it receives the odd divert from BA, as seen by the recent snow closures.
I ask as these may be figures for fully loaded B777-200's, whereas the ones cardiff sees or either empty both in and out, and the diverts come in full out empty (if pax are offloaded).
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Virgin_cc_wannabe you answered your own question. The 777-200 runway figures were googled and the runway lengths were from an RAF en route supplement.
The point I was trying to make was all these airports are capable of landing a 777 at MLW but only DSA/EMA could cope with a MTOW departure.
Given they are not intending to go to max range (Canada) they probably dont need max fuel. If they have a reasonable baggage allowance and don't configure the ac in pack em in mode like the PIA A310s ie 2 class then I would expect all with maybe the exception of BRS could be doable with a profitable load. Things aren't just black and white you know!
The point I was trying to make was all these airports are capable of landing a 777 at MLW but only DSA/EMA could cope with a MTOW departure.
Given they are not intending to go to max range (Canada) they probably dont need max fuel. If they have a reasonable baggage allowance and don't configure the ac in pack em in mode like the PIA A310s ie 2 class then I would expect all with maybe the exception of BRS could be doable with a profitable load. Things aren't just black and white you know!
quiet day?
Just looked at the arrivals board, one @ 0750, next one at 1440 then 2155 thats 7 hours between scheduled arrivals. What do the tower controllers do with their time?
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Not a lot although there are other flights in and out of DSA such as biz jets and light aircraft from Sheffield Flying School etc. Should be a bit busier in Summer with TOM's 42 weekly departures. A couple more than last year!! Shame about the DUB flights though!
Got to question if DTV and DSA were producing good yields. They had already cut the number of weekly flights to 4 for the winter at DSA, i believe DTV had 4 for a while now. Perhaps if they were doing ok they wouldnt have cut them altogether.
Seems they are both secondary airports as EMA, LBA and NCL all have better services to DUB.
Seems they are both secondary airports as EMA, LBA and NCL all have better services to DUB.
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If we are talking RYR then don't forget they used to do a SNN from Leeds and this was pulled. MOL plays politics and he has a gripe at DUB at the moment, don't be surprised if the flight is resurected if he gets his way over taxes at DUB.
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Aer Arann
So is there any sign of Aer Arann stepping into the fold here as in the case of Blackpool. I believe that DSA DUB was one of the softest yields and loads on FR network, surely with an ATR 42 Aer Arann could make a go of this?
However, what if Flybe did a daily rotation on DSA DUB, routing BHD DSA DUB DSA BHD? Makes sense to me. If this conversation hasnt taken place I think it should. Watch this space!!
However, what if Flybe did a daily rotation on DSA DUB, routing BHD DSA DUB DSA BHD? Makes sense to me. If this conversation hasnt taken place I think it should. Watch this space!!
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Aer Arann's initial loadings to BLK are quite low, though I suppose this is to be expected on a new service.
The fall in the £ relative to the € means that it is attractive to Irish passengers to fly to the UK, and I suppose BLK has the stag and hen market, as well as towers and roller coasters. Donny does have an excellent night life, believe it or not, but is no better than Dublin, so I doubt it would attract inbound passengers except for race meetings.
The loads for the first two years were good, and judging by the price I paid twice, I don't think the yields would have been terrible. However, I think the decline has been because of:
1) Change from a convenient standard time for the flight each day to all-over-the place.
2) Initial high loadings due to novelty; I know TOM started this route, but their flight out was at 0600, and FR forced them out. See 1.
3) This is speculation, but a very local catchment area, considering all the other flights to DUB available from Leeds, MAN, EMA with better choice of times.
Now the credit crunch:
4) Decline in spending power, especially in this area where it's traditionally been knife-edge, and caution about taking short breaks.
5) Finally, the exchange rate. Even when the £ was OK against the €, IRL was a very expensive destination - one of the few places where you'd buy wine in the UK duty free on the way out - so even if FR are offering 1p flights, they're no good if you can't afford anything when you get there.
Still, a sad day. When FR first announced their flight to DUB it was as if DSA was moving out from just being a TOM-only terminal.
The fall in the £ relative to the € means that it is attractive to Irish passengers to fly to the UK, and I suppose BLK has the stag and hen market, as well as towers and roller coasters. Donny does have an excellent night life, believe it or not, but is no better than Dublin, so I doubt it would attract inbound passengers except for race meetings.
The loads for the first two years were good, and judging by the price I paid twice, I don't think the yields would have been terrible. However, I think the decline has been because of:
1) Change from a convenient standard time for the flight each day to all-over-the place.
2) Initial high loadings due to novelty; I know TOM started this route, but their flight out was at 0600, and FR forced them out. See 1.
3) This is speculation, but a very local catchment area, considering all the other flights to DUB available from Leeds, MAN, EMA with better choice of times.
Now the credit crunch:
4) Decline in spending power, especially in this area where it's traditionally been knife-edge, and caution about taking short breaks.
5) Finally, the exchange rate. Even when the £ was OK against the €, IRL was a very expensive destination - one of the few places where you'd buy wine in the UK duty free on the way out - so even if FR are offering 1p flights, they're no good if you can't afford anything when you get there.
Still, a sad day. When FR first announced their flight to DUB it was as if DSA was moving out from just being a TOM-only terminal.
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Heard a rumour that the Humberside KLM contract is due for renewal this year and Doncaster is competing for it. Does anyone know of any truth in this?
Probably, though highly unlikely they would leave HUY for a number of reasons, despite what Peel will be offering them.
Adding to that, KLM have supposidly signed a further 5 year contract at HUY as of last year... I find it hard to believe they would consider using both and also it must be remembered that KLM pulled out of Sheffield City airport, despite it being in a far better location than DSA....
Make of it what you will.
Adding to that, KLM have supposidly signed a further 5 year contract at HUY as of last year... I find it hard to believe they would consider using both and also it must be remembered that KLM pulled out of Sheffield City airport, despite it being in a far better location than DSA....
Make of it what you will.
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Ryanair Pulls Out Of Doncaster Winter 09/10
Airliner shelves flights - The Star
No flights to GRO and ALC this winter.
One based A/C from TOM.
Several W6 and BE still going at BHD and new winter JER.
DSA really needs more flights.
Is there any news on the proposed RE to DUB. Last I heard EI was going to have a go with an A320 to connect with Transatlantics. Could be good?
Have a feeling this is going to be one VERY quiet winter.
No flights to GRO and ALC this winter.
One based A/C from TOM. Several W6 and BE still going at BHD and new winter JER.
DSA really needs more flights.
Is there any news on the proposed RE to DUB. Last I heard EI was going to have a go with an A320 to connect with Transatlantics. Could be good?
Have a feeling this is going to be one VERY quiet winter.