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Whether it be 3x 738's or 1x 738 and 2x 733's its hardly setting the world alight is it?
I have been a critic of DSA from the start and if that offends anyone I apologise. Lets get something straight here though, I have booked quite a few folks through DSA this summer, including my old folks. In fact I am looking at taking a flight from there myself. I haven't got anything personally against the place but I could just see that it wasn't going to be the success some people were talking it up to be.
LBA does have its draw backs and I am fully aware of them, but it is far better placed (despite the road infastructure) for the people of W.Yorks.
It is easy to see where rumours of a TOM pullout come from. They pulled the plug on CVT and I could personally see it happen at DSA despite what they have said. Look back at my opening line if you think I'm daft - 3 aircraft from a company who seemed to be prepared to push the airport from the start, one would imagine they would have at least 6 based aircraft for this summer. Credit crunch or not, something just aint right here
I have been a critic of DSA from the start and if that offends anyone I apologise. Lets get something straight here though, I have booked quite a few folks through DSA this summer, including my old folks. In fact I am looking at taking a flight from there myself. I haven't got anything personally against the place but I could just see that it wasn't going to be the success some people were talking it up to be.
LBA does have its draw backs and I am fully aware of them, but it is far better placed (despite the road infastructure) for the people of W.Yorks.
It is easy to see where rumours of a TOM pullout come from. They pulled the plug on CVT and I could personally see it happen at DSA despite what they have said. Look back at my opening line if you think I'm daft - 3 aircraft from a company who seemed to be prepared to push the airport from the start, one would imagine they would have at least 6 based aircraft for this summer. Credit crunch or not, something just aint right here
Going back to the days of 'finairweb' and the blind optimism coming from most posters on there DSA should have 6xTOM and both FR and Easy based with HUY shut and long-haul scheduled flights.... I think they got the idea off Peel who, after Easyjet realised the potential of LPL, capitalised on this and therefore got well on their reputation in the public enquiry, very short sighted in my opinion.
I dont claim to know what the airline bosses are thinking but i have learnt to look at things from a common sense perspective. Easyjet probably are not interested, they tried GVA and it failed to bring in results. Add to that their base at EMA and now MAN, with Sheffield pax likely making up a portion of their support, i could not understand a reason to move north. FR are the unpredictable ones though they have downscaled at DSA on the previously daily DUB service, they seem to be doing well at EMA and LBA would be an obvious choice for a Yorkshire base.
There is very little sign of an attempt at business routes, probably due to the airports location and the filter from Sheffield to MAN where they can get to by train and probably go direct. FlyBE's BHD route failed at twice daily, i think its now 6xweekly and that is subsidised by a Yorkshire development company, not sure how long it will last.
I dont think theres any point of bringing up potential long-haul scheduled routes... A complete pipe dream.
I dont claim to know what the airline bosses are thinking but i have learnt to look at things from a common sense perspective. Easyjet probably are not interested, they tried GVA and it failed to bring in results. Add to that their base at EMA and now MAN, with Sheffield pax likely making up a portion of their support, i could not understand a reason to move north. FR are the unpredictable ones though they have downscaled at DSA on the previously daily DUB service, they seem to be doing well at EMA and LBA would be an obvious choice for a Yorkshire base.
There is very little sign of an attempt at business routes, probably due to the airports location and the filter from Sheffield to MAN where they can get to by train and probably go direct. FlyBE's BHD route failed at twice daily, i think its now 6xweekly and that is subsidised by a Yorkshire development company, not sure how long it will last.
I dont think theres any point of bringing up potential long-haul scheduled routes... A complete pipe dream.
Easyjet probably are not interested, they tried GVA and it failed to bring in results.
I dont claim to know what the airline bosses are thinking but i have learnt to look at things from a common sense perspective.
Not based on your first sentence above you haven't
Look back at my opening line if you think I'm daft - 3 aircraft from a company who seemed to be prepared to push the airport from the start, one would imagine they would have at least 6 based aircraft for this summer.
On that basis EMA should be overflowing with easyJet aircraft, yet it isn't,Credit crunch or not, something just aint right here
stop copying Pugs' homework!
Going back to the days of 'finairweb' and the blind optimism coming from most posters on there DSA
I wouldn't know about that, but I guess if it's/was an 'enthusiasts' forum, most of them if asked would tell you 'I dont claim to know what the airline bosses are thinking but i have learnt to look at things from a common sense perspective' or that they are 'quite aware there are many complexities to running and growing an airport' ...
I dont claim to know what the airline bosses are thinking but i have learnt to look at things from a common sense perspective.
Not based on your first sentence above you haven't
Look back at my opening line if you think I'm daft - 3 aircraft from a company who seemed to be prepared to push the airport from the start, one would imagine they would have at least 6 based aircraft for this summer.
On that basis EMA should be overflowing with easyJet aircraft, yet it isn't,Credit crunch or not, something just aint right here
stop copying Pugs' homework!Going back to the days of 'finairweb' and the blind optimism coming from most posters on there DSA
I wouldn't know about that, but I guess if it's/was an 'enthusiasts' forum, most of them if asked would tell you 'I dont claim to know what the airline bosses are thinking but i have learnt to look at things from a common sense perspective' or that they are 'quite aware there are many complexities to running and growing an airport' ...
Again a very objective counter argument jumpseater. Well done 
Well if it was doing well why would they pull it?
Not based on your first sentence above you haven't
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So do the economics of running an airport depend solely on how many aircraft are flying in and out - or is that simply the yardstick used by spotters?
DSA has five hangars - two of which are currently in use, two which will shortly be in use, and the other one is also being used. All of those bring in revenue.
Name me another civil airport of any size in the UK which has five hangars of that size currently in use.
Peel Holdings also owns the Manchester Ship Canal. Beyond Ellesmere Port, there's not much traffic at the moment, but the bridges and locks all the way to Manchester (36 miles), still have to be maintained, which costs money. Are there any rumours about Peel selling off the Ship Canal? - well, no actually, because like most of their investments, they're in it for the long haul, and presumably there aren't too many ship spotters sitting in their bedrooms dreaming up doomsday scenarios.
DSA may not be doing as well as predicted, but nor are other airports in the UK at present. It's not just about the number of movements, or whether Thomsonfly operates 737-300s or 737-800s - it's about the bigger picture.
Anyone remember Stansted in the 80's? - a couple of CAA 748s, the odd bizjet, the few ad-hoc freight charters from companies which would not be allowed to fly in the EU nowadays, and an MRO base? - no probably not, otherwise they wouldn't be posting.
DSA has five hangars - two of which are currently in use, two which will shortly be in use, and the other one is also being used. All of those bring in revenue.
Name me another civil airport of any size in the UK which has five hangars of that size currently in use.
Peel Holdings also owns the Manchester Ship Canal. Beyond Ellesmere Port, there's not much traffic at the moment, but the bridges and locks all the way to Manchester (36 miles), still have to be maintained, which costs money. Are there any rumours about Peel selling off the Ship Canal? - well, no actually, because like most of their investments, they're in it for the long haul, and presumably there aren't too many ship spotters sitting in their bedrooms dreaming up doomsday scenarios.
DSA may not be doing as well as predicted, but nor are other airports in the UK at present. It's not just about the number of movements, or whether Thomsonfly operates 737-300s or 737-800s - it's about the bigger picture.
Anyone remember Stansted in the 80's? - a couple of CAA 748s, the odd bizjet, the few ad-hoc freight charters from companies which would not be allowed to fly in the EU nowadays, and an MRO base? - no probably not, otherwise they wouldn't be posting.
So do the economics of running an airport depend solely on how many aircraft are flying in and out - or is that simply the yardstick used by spotters?
I am not suggesting Peel are not in it for the long-haul but they are a property tycoon first, if an airport was losing money for longer than expected how long woulkd they keep it running?
I belive in the future there will be less of that kind of flight made anyhow
What about London City?
Anyone remember Stansted in the 80's? - a couple of CAA 748s, the odd bizjet, the few ad-hoc freight charters from companies which would not be allowed to fly in the EU nowadays, and an MRO base? - no probably not, otherwise they wouldn't be posting.
Some posters on here have been aimed more at patronising 'spotters'. I suggest some come down from those ivory towers and come back to the original topic.
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Well if it was doing well why would they pull it?
They didn't 'pull it' though did they? It completed the full allocation of flights easyJet intended.
Carry On Spotting! I'll carry on spotting the BS, it's not very difficult!
They didn't 'pull it' though did they? It completed the full allocation of flights easyJet intended.
Carry On Spotting! I'll carry on spotting the BS, it's not very difficult!
Easyjet were testing the water, just like they were testing the water at BOH and they discontinued after the winter season despite planning to move the flight to an earlier departure for the summer. Anyway as you know infinately best and are incapable of offering your opinion you carry on being of 'higher authority' and believing Peels BS
Easyjet has confirmed it has no plans to resume their between Doncaster and Geneva for this winter’s ski season.
Speaking to Flightmapping.com earlier this week, Easyjet chief executive, Andrew Harrison, said the route was cancelled because of poor levels of demand.
“ We always axe routes if they prove to be unprofitable, and this was the case with our Geneva flights from Doncaster Robin Hood airport,” he said. The airline will continue its flights to Geneva from Bournemouth, Edinburgh and Glasgow, which were launched at the same time as the Doncaster service. Easyjet also operate Geneva flights from Belfast, Bristol, Liverpool, Gatwick, Luton, Stansted, Newcastle and Nottingham East Midlands.
Speaking to Flightmapping.com earlier this week, Easyjet chief executive, Andrew Harrison, said the route was cancelled because of poor levels of demand.
“ We always axe routes if they prove to be unprofitable, and this was the case with our Geneva flights from Doncaster Robin Hood airport,” he said. The airline will continue its flights to Geneva from Bournemouth, Edinburgh and Glasgow, which were launched at the same time as the Doncaster service. Easyjet also operate Geneva flights from Belfast, Bristol, Liverpool, Gatwick, Luton, Stansted, Newcastle and Nottingham East Midlands.
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It seems the members club over on the EGCN forums have had reason to join Pprune.
Sir James Crosby, since joining this forum you have done nothing but write completely relevent and insightful posts
Sir James Crosby, since joining this forum you have done nothing but write completely relevent and insightful posts
'Sir James Crosby'
Last time i shall make effort to reply to one of your posts, that is a disclaimer at the bottom of the page, unlike a certain other forum there are no 'thought police' on here and we are free to express our opinions as per the rules of the forum. In fact if you take a look back at my posts i have added my own 'disclaimer' in that i dont claim to be an airport expert nor do i claim to know what airline bosses are thinking.
I wonder if youl be searching out the thousands of threads you may disagree with and pointing the same out to other posters?
Last time i shall make effort to reply to one of your posts, that is a disclaimer at the bottom of the page, unlike a certain other forum there are no 'thought police' on here and we are free to express our opinions as per the rules of the forum. In fact if you take a look back at my posts i have added my own 'disclaimer' in that i dont claim to be an airport expert nor do i claim to know what airline bosses are thinking.
I wonder if youl be searching out the thousands of threads you may disagree with and pointing the same out to other posters?
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Some reasoned arguments about the merits of DSA, some rubbish in my opinion.
Look, I sell flights and holidays - the buck stops with money. No money, no airport, no flights etc etc
Get yourselves 100 golf courses and I'll meet you at the 1180th hole, lol
My post seems to have provoked some response, hey ho. I don't give a stuff about how many hangars there are (look in my wardrobe, I have hundreds). Flights make money, does DSA???
Look, I sell flights and holidays - the buck stops with money. No money, no airport, no flights etc etc
Get yourselves 100 golf courses and I'll meet you at the 1180th hole, lol
My post seems to have provoked some response, hey ho. I don't give a stuff about how many hangars there are (look in my wardrobe, I have hundreds). Flights make money, does DSA???
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A poster on another forum claims to have heard of recent talks with Jet2 to with a view to starting operations from DSA. Not sure if there is any weight to that but things might actualy start looking up if true...
Yep thats right, its for diversions and crew training flights. Inevitably the powers that be at DSA will have dropped the 'CatIII were equiped' stuff. Anyone knows that bragging about the size is infact adverse.
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Pug - what do you mean about size and CAT III equipped? Maybe it isn't relevant to the type of traffic at DSA at the moment, but surely it can't do any harm to advertise it. Please could you explain fully.
Yours, intrigued
JC
Yours, intrigued
JC