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I think you might find that easyJet's expansion into DSA is nothing to do with the economics of bases. They had an agreement with Peel which limited easyJet's expansion at MAN unless there was also growth at LPL. With opportunities at LPL thin on the ground, easyJet have agreed with Peel that if they expanding at DSA instead, they can still start more routes ex MAN. It's no coincidence that MAN-ZRH, SSH, MAH (an extra based aircraft) have all gone on sale on the same day as the DSA flights.
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I think you might find that easyJet's expansion into DSA is nothing to do with the economics of bases. They had an agreement with Peel which limited easyJet's expansion at MAN unless there was also growth at LPL. With opportunities at LPL thin on the ground, easyJet have agreed with Peel that if they expanding at DSA instead, they can still start more routes ex MAN. It's no coincidence that MAN-ZRH, SSH, MAH (an extra based aircraft) have all gone on sale on the same day as the DSA flights.
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Is there anything in Sheffield actually worth putting a wheel clamp on!?!?!? Liverpool crew won't nick any old sh1t you know.
I think flightrider is fairly close to the money. The agreement with Peel is rather restrictive. When it was renegotiated a while ago Andy Harrison himself said it had gone from a really sh1t deal to just a sh1t deal!! I think there is something in what flightrider hypothesises!!
I think flightrider is fairly close to the money. The agreement with Peel is rather restrictive. When it was renegotiated a while ago Andy Harrison himself said it had gone from a really sh1t deal to just a sh1t deal!! I think there is something in what flightrider hypothesises!!
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The Easyjet base and the 5 new routes are indeed fantastic news for the airport.
But talk of more Easyjet routes in the short-term or a Jet2 interest is us getting a bit carried away with ourselves. Let's just be grateful for today's news as it is
But talk of more Easyjet routes in the short-term or a Jet2 interest is us getting a bit carried away with ourselves. Let's just be grateful for today's news as it is
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I think you might find that easyJet's expansion into DSA is nothing to do with the economics of bases. They had an agreement with Peel which limited easyJet's expansion at MAN unless there was also growth at LPL. With opportunities at LPL thin on the ground, easyJet have agreed with Peel that if they expanding at DSA instead, they can still start more routes ex MAN. It's no coincidence that MAN-ZRH, SSH, MAH (an extra based aircraft) have all gone on sale on the same day as the DSA flights.
Doubtful I know but I wonder if an A319 will roll up at MME some day soon which may explain why NCL is getting nothing new these days. And lets be honest (recession aside) the drop in pax numbers at MME has done nothing for NCL so the potential is there for someone if the right deal is on the table!
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Yeah I know its very unlikely but given LPL, DSA & MME are all owned by Peel who knows. No one seen DSA coming thats for sure. Any agreement like that probably means EZY don't have keep piling metal as agreed into LPL where griwth is restricted due to the FR presence.
Still, I agree its extremely unlikely
Still, I agree its extremely unlikely
I would disagree, as has already been seen, airlines tend to break contracts with little comeback... Look at BMIBaby at MME.
If EZY are serious about DSA then they will set up a proper base in the next couple of years. Dont get me wrong i hope it works for them, but i know tat it wouldnt bother EZY if they had to move everything to MAN as much as it would Peel.
If EZY are serious about DSA then they will set up a proper base in the next couple of years. Dont get me wrong i hope it works for them, but i know tat it wouldnt bother EZY if they had to move everything to MAN as much as it would Peel.
Dream on - Peel have some of the lowest cost and best positioned airports in the UK - fits Lowco's.
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I think DSA has a far better catchment area compared with EMA. EMA has South Yorkshire, and North Midlands.
DSA has the same, as welll as West & East Yorks, Lincolnshire and Humberside....this could be a masterstroke by EZY.
There is almost certainly a tie in with the LPL contract. The extent of it i am unsure but im sure that this is financially beneficial for both Peel, DSA and EZY.
It reminds me of the situation where a MXP based aircraft and crew nightstopped in FCO....this is now easyJets newest base with now 19 routes on offer. If the flights from DSA are succesful, I am sure there will be further expansion.
DSA has the same, as welll as West & East Yorks, Lincolnshire and Humberside....this could be a masterstroke by EZY.
There is almost certainly a tie in with the LPL contract. The extent of it i am unsure but im sure that this is financially beneficial for both Peel, DSA and EZY.
It reminds me of the situation where a MXP based aircraft and crew nightstopped in FCO....this is now easyJets newest base with now 19 routes on offer. If the flights from DSA are succesful, I am sure there will be further expansion.
I think DSA has a far better catchment area compared with EMA. EMA has South Yorkshire, and North Midlands.
DSA has the same, as welll as West & East Yorks, Lincolnshire and Humberside....this could be a masterstroke by EZY.
There is almost certainly a tie in with the LPL contract. The extent of it i am unsure but im sure that this is financially beneficial for both Peel, DSA and EZY.
It reminds me of the situation where a MXP based aircraft and crew nightstopped in FCO....this is now easyJets newest base with now 19 routes on offer. If the flights from DSA are succesful, I am sure there will be further expansion.
DSA has the same, as welll as West & East Yorks, Lincolnshire and Humberside....this could be a masterstroke by EZY.
There is almost certainly a tie in with the LPL contract. The extent of it i am unsure but im sure that this is financially beneficial for both Peel, DSA and EZY.
It reminds me of the situation where a MXP based aircraft and crew nightstopped in FCO....this is now easyJets newest base with now 19 routes on offer. If the flights from DSA are succesful, I am sure there will be further expansion.
Dont even start the creap about DSA having a better catchment area than EMA, dont get me wrong i hope it works at DSA but if not they WILL pull out with little else to come back on....
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I think this whole 'catchment area' thing is a bit of a red herring. The catchment area for every airport from EMA north is potentially the whole of the North of England and a bit further South, and that applies to DSA HUY, LBA etc. etc. If the routes are popular and profitable and the fees cheap you attract and keep airlines. If the fares are cheap and routes are where people want to fly to you attract pax. If you haven't got either then you could have a catchment area the size of Alaska and it'd do you no damn good whatsoever. Only time will tell if DSA can tap into the communal catchment, but if it can't with these routes it'll struggle with anything.
But having said that, within the Easy announcement was the point that thus far Peel's concern has been to develop its 'airport cluster' businesses before the actual airport itself. This is a step in that direction but I wouldn't expect anything else big in the next 6-12 months.
But having said that, within the Easy announcement was the point that thus far Peel's concern has been to develop its 'airport cluster' businesses before the actual airport itself. This is a step in that direction but I wouldn't expect anything else big in the next 6-12 months.
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Dont even start the creap about DSA having a better catchment area than EMA, dont get me wrong i hope it works at DSA but if not they WILL pull out with little else to come back on....
Easyjet have clearly been encouraged to operate from DSA by way of some overall deal, and the fact that they are basing and aircraft but not a base means that a exits strategy exists if it is needed.
The groups of airports in the UK dont seem to do an awful lots in terms of encouraging their operators to use many of the airports in the group.
Infratil;
They havent been able to persuade Ryanair to operate from Manston yet Ryanair have big enough base at Prestwick.
Peel Airports;
Liverpool, Durham Tees and Doncaster Sheffield. Now Easyjet are looking at another airport in the group of Peel airports. But as far as I can see there are no other examples here within this airport group of airlines setting up shop at the other airports.
Tbi/Abertis;
London Luton, Cardiff & Belfast International Skavsta Stockholm. ok Easyjet have long standing bases at Luton and Belfast, but Ryanair couldnt get a deal going with Cardiff despite their base at Luton and their operation at Skavsta. These individual airports must operate quite independently.
Copenhagen Airport owns Newcastle airport? But this hasnt been enough to attract easyjet to do a base at CPH?
What does anyone else think? Are there opportunities for the airport groups to persuade there based airlines to look at other airports within their group as in the case of Easyjet at DSA?
MAG airports own EMA, BOH & MAN and Ryanair are big at EMA but cant get he deal at MAN..!!!
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From what I have seen, Peel have encouraged a few companies to try out other airports in the group.
Existing KL flights from MME, may have helped LPL get KL, also GSM moved from LPL to MME, dropping flights from LPL to TFS etc to open a base there.
Also TOM had a small base in LPL until DSA came along.
BE although not having a base in LPL moved from LPL to MAN, but flights in LPL remained and others were opened up from DSA
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Existing KL flights from MME, may have helped LPL get KL, also GSM moved from LPL to MME, dropping flights from LPL to TFS etc to open a base there.
Also TOM had a small base in LPL until DSA came along.
BE although not having a base in LPL moved from LPL to MAN, but flights in LPL remained and others were opened up from DSA
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I'm not sure how many people actually expected Geneva to succeed in Winter - I still can't understand why they did it. TOM might be ok doing packages but I could never see a big ad hoc winter ski market wanting flights only from Doncaster.
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Regarding the comment on catchment areas,perhaps someone should look at a map.EMA is situated between Derby Nottingham Leicester,all within a 20mile radius of the Airport,all major cities,Birmingham is only 35 miles away and EMA gets a good quota of passengers from there,Loughborough is only 7 miles away,a major University town,i dont think DSA has this catchment.Also when another operator moves into DSA Easyjet will do the same as it did at EMA and throw its toys out of the pram and go away and sulk,they had good loads out of EMA but Jet2 were too much for them to handle,Baby and Ryanair will benefit from their childish behaviour,East midlands travellers will be no worse off losing them.
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"they had good loads out of EMA but Jet2 were too much for them to handle" - odogo2
Kind of hard for Jet2 to achieve an effect like that, seeing as they only announced their intentions to serve EMA, after easyJet announced they were pulling out.
Kind of hard for Jet2 to achieve an effect like that, seeing as they only announced their intentions to serve EMA, after easyJet announced they were pulling out.
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"When another operator moves into Dsa"
This is exactly why it could be a very good move for easyjet. Unlike east mids the airport isn't big/established enough for another operator to move in(certainly for the foreseable future). They could hopefully build there own little empire at Dsa if this first summer goes well,expand there routes and base aircarft.
This is exactly why it could be a very good move for easyjet. Unlike east mids the airport isn't big/established enough for another operator to move in(certainly for the foreseable future). They could hopefully build there own little empire at Dsa if this first summer goes well,expand there routes and base aircarft.