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Old 24th November 2016 | 07:35
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Merging back end systems is usually a big task for companies, even for small companies as they usually have limited spare staff to work on this thing.
I agree such a merger would be a good idea, but long lead times and plenty of preparation may be required for it to be a success
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Old 24th November 2016 | 09:46
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Dundee City Council has just issued an Invitation to Tender for the London PSO service, starting in late March. It requires twice daily service with an aircraft of min 30 seats, morning arrival in London no later than 0830.
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Old 24th November 2016 | 10:51
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is there a link to that

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Old 24th November 2016 | 10:55
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https://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes...ations-psos_en
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Old 24th November 2016 | 13:27
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Satisfied now !!!!
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Old 25th November 2016 | 10:47
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PSO

Do we think that there will be many tenders going in to operate the Dundee - London services........
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Old 25th November 2016 | 11:37
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I would suspect that it will just be Loganair that bid for it.
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Old 25th November 2016 | 12:02
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I would be interested to know how the flight was being used i.e. inward tourists v/s out bound tourists and the actual number of business passengers
Dunno about that but the AMS service carried 2919 pax in September. 60 flights that month so I make that a load factor of 69.5%
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Old 23rd December 2016 | 07:16
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So thats the end of the route then

Flybe suspends Dundee-Amsterdam flights - BBC News

Radar coverage is the issue
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Old 23rd December 2016 | 09:44
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Very peculiar - seemingly based on four incidents, only one of which was an Airprox, and in at least three cases the traffic was known to the Dash crew. Saying the radar cover's not good enough puts a big question mark over the Loganair schedules out of DND - and the Flybe Jersey flights in the past.
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Old 23rd December 2016 | 10:02
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It has nothing to do with Radar coverage. That is just a convenient sound bite to get them off the hook. There is nothing unsafe about operating out of Dundee that isn't a threat in many many other airfields.
Wot he said.

How do Loganair operate across HIAL then?
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Old 23rd December 2016 | 10:44
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So BE will be paying back the Route Development money then !
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Old 23rd December 2016 | 12:10
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If it wasn't viable then they'd just say so. They have in the past.

Anyway, if the route viable then there's nothing stopping Loganair taking it over surely?
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Old 23rd December 2016 | 13:32
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Can the Govt scheme that pays the airport fees for DND-AMS be rediverted to help Loganair instead of Flybe without having to go through a lengthy process of public gazetting and rebidding ? I suspect if formal process had to be followed around rebidding then it would be 6 months before Loganair can start flying profitably on the route. Another option is if HIAL maybe launch a route fund supported by the Govt in Edinburgh
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Old 23rd December 2016 | 14:55
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Loganair can't operate it as the Dornier 328s are not RNP compliant which is a mandatory requirement for ops into Amsterdam.
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Old 23rd December 2016 | 15:34
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As NorthSouth says. Been in and out of Dundee in the past on a Dash with no issues. My friends in Logan Air been doing for years
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Old 23rd December 2016 | 15:52
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Loganair can't operate it as the Dornier 328s are not RNP compliant which is a mandatory requirement for ops into Amsterdam
How about S340 or the 2000???
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Old 23rd December 2016 | 16:02
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RNP

RNP limits for AMS must have changed as the D328's used to fly in twice a day from Southampton.
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Old 23rd December 2016 | 17:44
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I thought the radar issue was already being dealt with last March? . . . .

https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/2...after-tragedy/
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Old 23rd December 2016 | 17:54
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I'm sure Scotairways used the D328 into AMS.

Anyway, I just find the whole thing very strange. Was there no investigation into the airfield radar capabilities before Government money was spent on a route development fund? The dash 8 has flown into DND before, as have other similar sized planes on a regular basis, so why was it never an issue before? FlyBE only had an issue after 7 months, including operating the route during the busy summer time when lght aircraft ops at DND are surely at their busiest? Not only that but they even increased the schedule during that time.

It's is frustrating that DND finally got such a route, it proved successful but still it has to end for reasons which seem to be totally resolvable. I hope it comes back.
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