DUNDEE
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From: Sometimes north, sometimes south
its interesting to see that 2 professional pilots just blunder through an active parachuting site, they could so easily have hit the parachutist. Should professional pilots not be forced to carry and look at the same 1;500,000 chart that every other airspace user is legally obliged to carry?
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From: Edinburgh
You would think that in all the time that went in to researching this route that someone would have known there was parachuting activity happening within the wider area? I just don't understand how this only affected AMS and not the STN service nor any other commercial services which DND has seen over the years. Surely Loganair will dip their toe in again as it proved a successful route.
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From: 18nm NE grice 28ft up
The AMS service was operated by FlyBe, the STN service by Loganair aircraft and crew. The aircraft were painted in FlyBe colours.
While Loganair were happy to fly visual approaches to the non instrument runway 27, FlyBe were hampered by their ops manual which stated that they must use an instrument runway for initial approach. This meant they were spending up to 20 minutes flying round in busy class G airspace when the wind favoured RWY 27.
While Loganair were happy to fly visual approaches to the non instrument runway 27, FlyBe were hampered by their ops manual which stated that they must use an instrument runway for initial approach. This meant they were spending up to 20 minutes flying round in busy class G airspace when the wind favoured RWY 27.
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From: Sometimes north, sometimes south
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The load factors were around 80% at the time the route was unjustifiably pulled.
The fact they kept on bussing people to EDI and back for months meant there was a demand. If it was such a weak route they would not have gone to that length or forked out the expense of keeping AMS and EDI slots nor would they have provided the transport or refreshments for the affected passengers. They would have simply cancelled the offer of DND-AMS altogether and refunded the money.
The fact they kept on bussing people to EDI and back for months meant there was a demand. If it was such a weak route they would not have gone to that length or forked out the expense of keeping AMS and EDI slots nor would they have provided the transport or refreshments for the affected passengers. They would have simply cancelled the offer of DND-AMS altogether and refunded the money.
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From: Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning
Is this the largest aircraft to have landed at Dundee?
https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/f...undee-airport/
For those interested in the technical side of things, the A400M has an undercarriage designed for soft-field operations so it spreads its load over a bigger area and thus has a low ACN for such a large aircraft. The PCN at Dundee is just 26 and doesn't specify whether the pavement is flexible or rigid or what strength the subgrade is. Nevertheless, the A400M was probably well inside this limit for this training op.
VIDEO: RAF A400M ATLAS PILOTS TEST OUT SHORT LANDING ABILITIES AT DUNDEE AIRPORT
For those interested in the technical side of things, the A400M has an undercarriage designed for soft-field operations so it spreads its load over a bigger area and thus has a low ACN for such a large aircraft. The PCN at Dundee is just 26 and doesn't specify whether the pavement is flexible or rigid or what strength the subgrade is. Nevertheless, the A400M was probably well inside this limit for this training op.
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From: Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning
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