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so i hear. that, together with no new runways for Gatwick & Stansted too.
also a 'plane tax' to replace APD! exactly how would this work, and how would airlines charge this to the pax (ie, you might have 50 pax on plane one day, but 200 the next!)
also a 'plane tax' to replace APD! exactly how would this work, and how would airlines charge this to the pax (ie, you might have 50 pax on plane one day, but 200 the next!)
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Good..
The idea was flawed from the very beginning due to lack of airspace in an already congested TMA. A second runway at Gatwick is more feasible as far as actually working is concerned
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Does the operator pay the plane tax then based on MTOW?
Would it affect someone doing GA / public transport, things like aerial photographic work.
Perhaps the airlines will lobby against this if its not a good idea
Would it affect someone doing GA / public transport, things like aerial photographic work.
Perhaps the airlines will lobby against this if its not a good idea
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ENVIRONMENT
Aviation passenger duty replaced by plane tax (Flights become more expensive -Airlines will not be able to operate domestic flight's without making a loss.)
No new runways at Heathrow, Gatwick or Stansted (Just great - Aviation in UK will never expand - but reduce as airlines use CDG, AMS..)
High-speed rail network to be built (Ok that's fine by me - who's paying?)
Does anyone know what this mean's for people like me doing my PPL - does the GA industry get hit?
Aviation passenger duty replaced by plane tax (Flights become more expensive -Airlines will not be able to operate domestic flight's without making a loss.)
No new runways at Heathrow, Gatwick or Stansted (Just great - Aviation in UK will never expand - but reduce as airlines use CDG, AMS..)
High-speed rail network to be built (Ok that's fine by me - who's paying?)
Does anyone know what this mean's for people like me doing my PPL - does the GA industry get hit?
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This shouldn't be a suprise. It has always been Conservative (and Lib Dem) policy to oppose expansion of any London airport IN THIS PARLIAMENT (ie next 5 years). I believe however they are in favour of looking at a new airport in the Thames estuary.
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Well this government may not last anywhere near 5 years. There are predictions that we may have another general election within 1-2 years if the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats fall out.
You never know, if Labour somehow got back in they might set the plans going again, doubt it though...
I wouldn't expect it to have an effect on GA, although whether there are going to be seperate taxes for GA remains to be seen.
You never know, if Labour somehow got back in they might set the plans going again, doubt it though...
I wouldn't expect it to have an effect on GA, although whether there are going to be seperate taxes for GA remains to be seen.
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There is a way to increase throughput at LHR without building a 3rd runway.
It involves mixed mode on both runways and hence would end the alternation process currently used under the Cranford Agreement.
Reduced separation, increased monitoring and trajectory management would all contribute. Not sure if it would ever get to parity with R3 though.
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It involves mixed mode on both runways and hence would end the alternation process currently used under the Cranford Agreement.
Reduced separation, increased monitoring and trajectory management would all contribute. Not sure if it would ever get to parity with R3 though.
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Great, so once again the hippy brigade have jumped on the bandwagon and doing what they can to stifle the UK's economy. When are those in authority going to realise that we need to expand the London airports to prevent losing massive economical trade to the likes of EHAM and LFPG?
Whilst there may not be dire need for extra runways at Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted today, there certainly will be in years to come. It is better to build now to be prepared for future growth, than trying to play catch up when it's too late.
Just look at our cousins across the pond, and the proposed expansions of say KDTW, KSLC, KORD to meet future demand, and the recent new runways opening at KIAD and KSEA for example.
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Whilst there may not be dire need for extra runways at Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted today, there certainly will be in years to come. It is better to build now to be prepared for future growth, than trying to play catch up when it's too late.
Just look at our cousins across the pond, and the proposed expansions of say KDTW, KSLC, KORD to meet future demand, and the recent new runways opening at KIAD and KSEA for example.
Salt Lake City International Airport > Doing Business with the Airport > Aerial Photos, Master Plan & Layout Plans
OHare International Airport Master Plan
It really is about time all those employed either directly or indirectly in air transport protested in no uncertain terms about this archaic approach to aviation in this country.
On our own we will achieve little but together we can achieve much. Question is how do we got about this? Media campaign, mass protest one day in London? Ideas?
On our own we will achieve little but together we can achieve much. Question is how do we got about this? Media campaign, mass protest one day in London? Ideas?
Can't they use the old third runway, whatever it was? Tried googling it but just found a million sites campaigning against the new third runway.
I'm all in favour of making LHR an integrated hub hooked up to our brand new high speed rail network. I'm just not sure I can wait 50 years for it to happen...
I'm all in favour of making LHR an integrated hub hooked up to our brand new high speed rail network. I'm just not sure I can wait 50 years for it to happen...
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Excellent news. This country can do without an increase in the pollution and destruction that airport expansion brings. And perhaps now that the additional runway is out of the question BAA will concentrate on trying to make Heathrow a better airport rather than a bigger one.
As for the 'plane tax' - makes perfect sense. It might encourage airlines to use their aircraft more efficiently if even empty seats cost them money.
I didn't vote Conservative, but this is one of the things that makes me happy to see the chinless toff in No. 10.
As for the 'plane tax' - makes perfect sense. It might encourage airlines to use their aircraft more efficiently if even empty seats cost them money.
I didn't vote Conservative, but this is one of the things that makes me happy to see the chinless toff in No. 10.
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Can't they use the old third runway, whatever it was? Tried googling it but just found a million sites campaigning against the new third runway.
Doesn't take long to ID the "old third runway" and figure out why it can't be used.
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A long-term kick in the teeth for the UK aviation industry and its suppliers, but what an opportunity for Frankfurt, Paris, Amsterdam and their respective nation carriers...
More bang for your buck
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[Pedant] "If you mix Blue and Yellow policies, you get Green" actually if you mix blue light with yellow light, you get white light. 
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How green is your Green Policy?
By being 'green' and not building a third runway many more aircraft will continue to circle London on a hourly/weekly/yearly basis. How green is that? A much better idea would have been to have built a third runway but capped usage at 80% so that congestion/holding was eliminated. This way the UK only loses out to Frankfurt and Schipol.
Runways by Major European Air Traffic Hubs:
Runways by Major European Air Traffic Hubs:
- Heathrow: 2
- Amsterdam: 6
- Charles de Gaulle: 4
- Frankfurt: 3 (plus one in building)
- Rome: 3
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Demomonkey,
I quite agree. Building a third runway but capping movements would allow the airport to significantly reduce both airborne and ground aircraft holding. And from an aircraft pollution point of view, would be much more environmentally friendly. Unfortunately, that plan involves thinking outside of the box which historically, governments are not very capable of.
Cheers,
BB
I quite agree. Building a third runway but capping movements would allow the airport to significantly reduce both airborne and ground aircraft holding. And from an aircraft pollution point of view, would be much more environmentally friendly. Unfortunately, that plan involves thinking outside of the box which historically, governments are not very capable of.
Cheers,
BB
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Personally I think Briton has long lost it’s competitive attraction as an international air transfer point, new runway or not. The Gatwick to Heathrow shuttle bus? Please. Redundant as hell for decades.
We actively seek Frankfurt, or, Amsterdam when ticketing our people. London is just a big pain in the rear.
We actively seek Frankfurt, or, Amsterdam when ticketing our people. London is just a big pain in the rear.