SHANNON

[mart901]

I thought it was first announced as daily? Wonder what the a/c will do on the day it doesn't fly??

[Boeing man]

It will need down days for maintenance 757 needs tender loving care ie lots of man hours for greasing also a free day is good for when schedule slips lingus can catch up with trips ect

[m36mike]

Aer Lingus 'proving flight' to Boston was due to operate today as flt EI-2133.
The 2 B757's EI-LBR & EI-LBS are in SNN but neither have gone to the painting hangar to get their EI livery.
I have been told that there is a hold up with some parts, so we will have to wait a few more weeks.
The official start up date at the moment is Jan 27th but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[_IRL_Flyer]

I think SNN - BOS resumes 05 February instead of the 27 January. The flights for the previous week are showing sold out on the Aer Lingus website.

[_IRL_Flyer]

SNN halts passenger decline

Shannon halts decline in passenger numbers | Limerick Post Newspaper

SNN handled 1.4 million pax in 2013 a slight increase on 2012. With new routes starting at the end of March/start of April and an increase in capacity on Transatlantic services and flights to the UK, there should be a bigger increase in passenger numbers for this year.

Its done extremely well during its first year as an independant entity.

[GCUFD]

Its done extremely well during its first year as an independant entity.

I dunno. Hate being cynical, but I think the results have to be seen in the context of this story from December

Latest News From Shannon Airport > FREE Santa flights oversubscribed within 3 hours


Wednesday, 11 December 2013: There is no doubting who the star of the Christmas show still is as Shannon Airport and Ryanair have today confirmed that they were massively oversubscribed within hours of the 4,500 FREE seats being made available yesterday for flights to meet Santa Claus this weekend and next.

Now we read in the article you linked

Some 1,400,032 passengers flew through Shannon over the course of the year, up from 1,394,781 in 2012.

Does this result include the 4,500 seats on the free Santa flights? In fact, does it count them as 9,000 passengers, between take-off and landing?


There were a few voices hinting that the purpose of the free flights was to avert the need to say that passenger numbers had slightly declined. Tbh, I discounted those stories, until I saw how close the margin was.

[EI-A330-300]

Don't know why you questioned those xmas flights, everybody knew that was the reasons. Now if SNN have said all year they should make a profit or break even, would love to see if they are correct.


The 4,500 figure is total so covers both arr and dep.

[_IRL_Flyer]

Here is a link where Shannon have said they will move into profit or break even.

http://www.clarechampion.ie/shannon-airport-profit/

I dunno. Hate being cynical, but I think the results have to be seen in the context of this story from December

I meant, the SNN management have done extremely well in securing new routes and increased capacity on services to the US & UK. They have also put a halt on passenger decline.

Agree with EI-A330-300, don't know why you questioned the Free Xmas flights

There were a few voices hinting that the purpose of the free flights was to avert the need to say that passenger numbers had slightly declined. Tbh, I discounted those stories, until I saw how close the margin was.

The passenger numbers wouldn't have declined. There would still have been a extremely small increase in passenger numbers.

[GCUFD]

The 4,500 figure is total so covers both arr and dep.

Are you sure of that? The media releases talked of 6 flights a day for 4 days, or 24 flights. If that meant 2,250 individuals, it would only amount to about 94 people per flight.

Agree with EI-A330-300, don't know why you questioned the Free Xmas flights.

Well, I suppose because I didn't think the margin would be quite so thin, or that Shannon management would be quite so anxious to pretend they'd an increase in numbers.


I'm not questioning it now.

[_IRL_Flyer]

There would have been 1125 people travelling on each day on the free Xmas flights, multiply that by 4 and you get 4500.

EI-A330-300 is correct 4500 covers both departure and arrival.

[Kinocker]

1125 passengers/day x 4 days = 4,500

But they both departed and arrived from Shannon, therefore each passenger is counted twice in the passenger stats.

4,500 x 2 = 9,000

...thereby turning a passenger drop for the year into an increase. Good to see that the Michael Noonan bailout money is being well spent.

[GCUFD]

There would have been 1125 people travelling on each day on the free Xmas flights, multiply that by 4 and you get 4500.

Yup, that much is clear. Ryanair fly 737-800s, which have 189 single-class seats. 189 multiplied by 24 flights would be 4,536 seats.

EI-A330-300 is correct 4500 covers both departure and arrival.

That's not so clear. 4,500 seats would depart, and then those same 4,500 seats would return and "arrive". That looks like 9,000.

[ryan2000]

I doubt if they counted them as passengers at all. They went nowhere and arrived from nowhere.

[_IRL_Flyer]

[...thereby turning a passenger drop for the year into an increase. Good to see that the Michael Noonan bailout money is being well spent.*

There was a 2,000 passenger drop. It isnt that much is it? It would have been a lot more if the new routes to ORD,PHL,ALC & FAO didnt come on board.

That's not so clear. 4,500 seats would depart, and then those same 4,500 seats would return and "arrive". That looks like 9,000

Apologies for not making that clear.

Good point Ryan2000.

Will be interesting to see when the CSO publish all there stats for last year.

[GCUFD]

I doubt if they counted them as passengers at all.

Maybe you're right. It's just that 9,000 extra passenger movements would certainly be material to Shannon, particularly when it's the difference between having to admit to a slight fall in passengers, as against being able to shade over 1.4 million. That would be worth a cost of a few tens of thousands of euro, just for the spin. Ryanair might have cut a good deal for them, too, seeing as how it would help the softer image they want to cultivate.


I mean, Shannon would see, what, an average of 3,900 passengers a day? So this would be like getting another two days of passengers.


It would be great if some journo actually put the question to them. I'd say the reply would be comical.

[_IRL_Flyer]

Maybe you're right. It's just that 9,000 extra passenger movements would certainly be material to Shannon, particularly when it's the difference between having to admit to a slight fall in passengers, as against being able to shade over 1.4 million. That would be worth a cost of a few tens of thousands of euro, just for the spin. Ryanair might have cut a good deal for them, too, seeing as how it would help the softer image they want to cultivate.


I mean, Shannon would see, what, an average of 3,900 passengers a day? So this would be like getting another two days of passengers.


It would be great if some journo actually put the question to them. I'd say the reply would be comical.

He is probably right.

From looking at the CSO/CAA stats SNN handled 1,005,846 passengers up until November 2013.

The CSO haven't published there Oct-Dec 13 stats yet so the EU/USA stats are only included until September 13.

The CAA have there Oct/Nov stats published so I was able to get the stats for the UK.

The remaining 395K will include the EU/USA stats for the last three months of this year and also the UK Dec 13 stats.

Remember SNN, handled a lot of diversions from ORK/DUB as well during the end of Dec because the bad weather.

Aer Lingus also added extra flights from SNN-LHR before Xmas.

[confused atco]

The CSO haven't published there Oct-Dec 13 stats

Anyone know when they will be published?

[_IRL_Flyer]

The October stats should be published very soon. The Nov stats will be published in February and the Dec stats in March.

[confused atco]

the Dec stats in March.

And so we wait

[cloudier]

Does it matter now when we get those figures with the way they COOK the books who can or will believe them