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Originally Posted by Jamesair
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I think maybe you are being a bit negative here......
I think maybe you are being a bit negative here......
As for business travel, the average business person who needs to fly to the continent or wherever will use NCL in any event, though may need to go via an undesirable hub, hence no significant growth here other than few UK regional destinations not currently (fully) serviced.
You will get real growth in pax no.'s only when the regional ecconomy puts more tourist cash into punters pockets & also promotes business activity, or possibly and more speculatively that a significant investment in a route such as NCL - NYC will draw on punters from outside the normal catchment area as such a route to them then becomes more attractive than their current available options.
Lets face it is one trying to say that if say at NCL, an operator were to now in the current Loco situation, offer MAD as a new destination then most / all of the punters needed to make such a service viable simply would not have originally have travelled elsewhere from NCL or travelled by other means to alternative departure point to get to MAD, I don't think so !
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Is Eurofly operating NAP in addition to the regular Thomsonfly charter, who is using the flight and when/times etc?
It is more than likely true that NCL will not see such a huge growth in the route network that we have done in the previous 18-24 months but I do think there will be more to come. Probably our hope is indeed from the loco carriers, such as Jet2 and from the traditional charter flights. Full service scheduled traffic has never been that strong at NCL and the real growth here began with EZY opening their loco base. With smaller regional airports like NCL, I think loco carriers are realising the potential of offering flights only 3/4 times per week. That way they can offer a greater number of destinations, whilst still potentially making a profit. The next big loco or new route, my bet will come from Jet2. 6 routes in roughly a year is good expansion.
There must be a reason why charter routes to SKG, PVK etc have been dropped, even though they proved popular. The same with PUY etc. It was operated just a few years back, by if I recall Leisure International, but it obviously was not feasible or surely the charter company would have carried it on.
An area where charters could expand and make a shed load is in the winter. A long haul, more hot sun destinations in Eygpt, North Africa, Florida etc are needed, aswell as a greater choice in ski destinations (these flights are highly utilised).
Maybe with FJE operating all year round and not having a full programme, they could be chartered to operate a few new routes.
The airport does, however need to be cautious when new flights operate, as the terminal checkin/departure gate useage is reaching full at the busier points in the day. This summer saturday, thursday am are going to be a tight squeeze for space.
It is more than likely true that NCL will not see such a huge growth in the route network that we have done in the previous 18-24 months but I do think there will be more to come. Probably our hope is indeed from the loco carriers, such as Jet2 and from the traditional charter flights. Full service scheduled traffic has never been that strong at NCL and the real growth here began with EZY opening their loco base. With smaller regional airports like NCL, I think loco carriers are realising the potential of offering flights only 3/4 times per week. That way they can offer a greater number of destinations, whilst still potentially making a profit. The next big loco or new route, my bet will come from Jet2. 6 routes in roughly a year is good expansion.
There must be a reason why charter routes to SKG, PVK etc have been dropped, even though they proved popular. The same with PUY etc. It was operated just a few years back, by if I recall Leisure International, but it obviously was not feasible or surely the charter company would have carried it on.
An area where charters could expand and make a shed load is in the winter. A long haul, more hot sun destinations in Eygpt, North Africa, Florida etc are needed, aswell as a greater choice in ski destinations (these flights are highly utilised).
Maybe with FJE operating all year round and not having a full programme, they could be chartered to operate a few new routes.
The airport does, however need to be cautious when new flights operate, as the terminal checkin/departure gate useage is reaching full at the busier points in the day. This summer saturday, thursday am are going to be a tight squeeze for space.
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I think everything needs to be put into perspective here. Although we have lost a few routes/frequencies, I would suspect that there is still more capacity this year than the year before. Are people forgetting that Thomsonfly are utilising a third aircraft, whilst MyTravel will be using an A321 instead of the A320. NCL is getting a new service to Bergen, Jet2 will have 12 flights weekly to AMS, 3 a week to BGO, 3 a week to PSA. Murcia also goes daily. It's not all bad news!
On another note, heard MYT were going to operate 2 a/c again from S07. Although this will be at the loss of one of the XLA a/c me thinks.
On another note, heard MYT were going to operate 2 a/c again from S07. Although this will be at the loss of one of the XLA a/c me thinks.
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Looks like NCL will have to find another CWL operator is the Air Wales rumours are true. Is it a guarantee that T3 will take it over. Who else could be in the frame?
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I am not upto date with the latest rumours, what about Air Wales? Talking of rumour's, the grapevine does say that with T3 getting extra J41 a/c, that NCL features heavily in their expansion plans, with the possiblity of NWI being added and I had heard INV, but whether this has been dropped, as FlyBe are rumoured to be interested.
If MyTravel are to operate 2 a/c next summer, in may be that FJE will not return as many of Airtours/My Travels holidays are actually operated by FJE this year. If XLA does drop one a/c, then it is back to a single unit based, possibly just the 737 or the AY 757? I suspect that XL will drop one a/c as did they not sign a contract wit FJE for 3 years to operate flights on their behalf?
Do we know any more about this Eurofly flight to Naples?
KM have left Servisair nationwide, so it is nothing personally aimed at Servisair NCL, and FUA/JKK have not changed agents at present, infact JKK have no planned flights this year from NCL.
It is true, that if the bigger picture is looked at there has been/will be a great level of growth this year. Jet2 playing a key role.
Sunday evenings, 2 widebody a/c, Onur A300's departing/arriving within 5 minutes of each other.
If MyTravel are to operate 2 a/c next summer, in may be that FJE will not return as many of Airtours/My Travels holidays are actually operated by FJE this year. If XLA does drop one a/c, then it is back to a single unit based, possibly just the 737 or the AY 757? I suspect that XL will drop one a/c as did they not sign a contract wit FJE for 3 years to operate flights on their behalf?
Do we know any more about this Eurofly flight to Naples?
KM have left Servisair nationwide, so it is nothing personally aimed at Servisair NCL, and FUA/JKK have not changed agents at present, infact JKK have no planned flights this year from NCL.
It is true, that if the bigger picture is looked at there has been/will be a great level of growth this year. Jet2 playing a key role.
Sunday evenings, 2 widebody a/c, Onur A300's departing/arriving within 5 minutes of each other.
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XLA are planning huge growth within the own brands so are still planing on 2 aircraft for 2007. They have the freedom flights and excel holidays brands which are to be marketed heavily to the trade over the coming 12 months.
MYT provides some additional work but the plan for 07 still requires the 2 based aircraft (an possibly a long haul 747 passing through for new routes currently under discussiomn). Avion (XLA parent co) may also be purchasing Kosmar and extending the product range to incorporate a wider range of regional airport departures.
MYT provides some additional work but the plan for 07 still requires the 2 based aircraft (an possibly a long haul 747 passing through for new routes currently under discussiomn). Avion (XLA parent co) may also be purchasing Kosmar and extending the product range to incorporate a wider range of regional airport departures.
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CWL - NCL
Air Southwest would be perfect for this route, maybe combine a NQY-CWL-NCL route. More potential combining it with NQY rather than PLH. I think Flybe have NCL - Devon covered with EXT, this route is going twice daily from Monday.
Air Southwest would be perfect for this route, maybe combine a NQY-CWL-NCL route. More potential combining it with NQY rather than PLH. I think Flybe have NCL - Devon covered with EXT, this route is going twice daily from Monday.
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NCL-CWL
Eastern Airways to take on NCL-CWL from 24th April due to the demise of Air Wales, times TBC, but article on Eastern's site claims its to be 3x daily. Looks like another based J41 for Newcastle as the timetable on the Wideroe website shows a 6.50am departure from NCL
NCL base, you have a PM.
NCL base, you have a PM.
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nclbase are MYT and assciated tour operating division planning a big expansion at NCL, as they dropped Djerba and Agadir recently from NCL. Long Haul using 747 a/c!!
Is NCL eventually going to get exotic Caribbean destinations?
And with regards to XLA, bear in the mind the supposed agreement with Flyjet for NCL. Is the 3 year contract going to be honoured or will FJE get the push in favour of XLA's own a/c? It was actually quite nice to see another charter a/c based all year round.
Is NCL eventually going to get exotic Caribbean destinations?And with regards to XLA, bear in the mind the supposed agreement with Flyjet for NCL. Is the 3 year contract going to be honoured or will FJE get the push in favour of XLA's own a/c? It was actually quite nice to see another charter a/c based all year round.
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well hopefully FJE will be given a chance. I mean after XLAs performance last summer FJE are do any worse. I hope they get a fair run in at NCL it would be nice to see a new airliner based there.
I start work for FJE in just over a week i want us to do well at NCL. Give the others a run for their money
I start work for FJE in just over a week i want us to do well at NCL. Give the others a run for their money
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Transwede - MYT dropped Djerba and Agadir simply because enough seats were not sold but personally, I think the marketing was partly to blame. The expansion is in the tour operating side will be to further destinations such as Africa - they have finally seen the locos take a substantial piece of business from the likes of Spain. A 747 will depend entirely upon the availability of the aircraft but new long haul destinations are planned and are under discussion.
It is likely FJE will get the push in favour of XLA own aircraft but that is pure speculation.
I see FJE have offered crew a permanent NCL base which is interesting
AIH849 - best of luck with FJE - I hope they have a good summer. XLA's performance tis summer will be vastly improved as there are no long haul which was a major issue with the NCL departures. Incidentally, do you know where your crew room is at NCL?
What did your comment about servisair refer too?
It is likely FJE will get the push in favour of XLA own aircraft but that is pure speculation.
I see FJE have offered crew a permanent NCL base which is interesting
AIH849 - best of luck with FJE - I hope they have a good summer. XLA's performance tis summer will be vastly improved as there are no long haul which was a major issue with the NCL departures. Incidentally, do you know where your crew room is at NCL?
What did your comment about servisair refer too?