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I was just wondering there is there a possibility that EI could start servicing cork to Boston or NY via shannon. Having the 330 orgininating in ork stop down refuel and all that lark in shannon then continue onto boston or ny. Then do the return leg in a similar fashion. Would this be possible at all? I know its not a perfect solution but it does allow a work around for now?
It also appears to violate the bilateral agreement as it's currently written - only Shannon and Dublin and specified as gateway airports.
They could operate a charter directly.
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a Cork-Shannon-New York service would probably be fine since EI used to operate US-Shannon-BFS some time back.
However, a Cork-Dublin-NY service would be interesting and make (very slightly) more sense than flying 100km ORK-SNN, with RE reducing service to 3x and FR coming in - a 330 Cork-Dublin early bird would allow some bullying of FR for a change
It will never happen though as you would have to overnight the 330 and for what? I'm a Cork man through and through and I just don't see the demand for flogging a 330 that way, and EI don't have something smaller like a 757 or 310 to do it.
That said, I wonder if DM will consider re-introducing 320s on ORK-DUB with RE retreating to safer pastures on IOM to provide greater interconnection with current and future DUB services...
a Cork-Shannon-New York service would probably be fine since EI used to operate US-Shannon-BFS some time back.
However, a Cork-Dublin-NY service would be interesting and make (very slightly) more sense than flying 100km ORK-SNN, with RE reducing service to 3x and FR coming in - a 330 Cork-Dublin early bird would allow some bullying of FR for a change
It will never happen though as you would have to overnight the 330 and for what? I'm a Cork man through and through and I just don't see the demand for flogging a 330 that way, and EI don't have something smaller like a 757 or 310 to do it.That said, I wonder if DM will consider re-introducing 320s on ORK-DUB with RE retreating to safer pastures on IOM to provide greater interconnection with current and future DUB services...
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Hmmmm, if they EI tried to do a charter to either BOS or NY I doubt that would happen, look at what happened with orlando its being pulled as of jan 06. Then you have the whole issue about cork and a fully laden heavy taking off from a short runway.
Would it be feasible to overnight the A330 its not like it does much in any event after its TA flights?
Would it be feasible to overnight the A330 its not like it does much in any event after its TA flights?
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The North Atlantic from Cork is dead for a long time to come. Yes, it is a shame and I was very bitter about it following the news a few weeks ago. Got to face facts though. The only transatlantic crossings in the short to mid term future will be the very odd bizjet going west because we all know how much Cork likes to entertain corporate aeroplanes looking for an overnight's parking.
The JFK cancellation is a black mark for the crowd at Cork but it wont stop the huffing and puffing about Ryanairs to Dublin and Gatwick and how great it is for Sean Citizen etc.
Yes, Lagerlout, we will see what Ryanair are made of come next summer but with a near immediate dropping of a STN rotation next January I remain quite suspicious of Ryanair in this matter. Bet Michael O'Leary in his Cork hurling jersey did not tell the boyos at Cork about that watering down of the STN-ORK schedule the day he was in town?
Cork is not Liverpool and she does not have the critical mass of population so there will be no base of substance at Cork and just to make sure of it being even less likely the 17 routes base at snn will not be put in danger because the much cuter boyos in charge at snn would not allow it to happen as long as they are giving FR freebies in the guise of marketing incentives etc.
Ryanair had very little interest in Cork until easyJet began in January. What does Ryanair's new, peculiar committment do for Cork? Among other things it serves to scare away other potential traffic? Remember, snn needs FR, Cork much less so.
However, as Lagerlout says, maybe I am getting it all wrong and we could be all in for the surprise of our lives at Cork next summer. If that is the case I will eat my hat and with salt too! It has been known to happen before!
The JFK cancellation is a black mark for the crowd at Cork but it wont stop the huffing and puffing about Ryanairs to Dublin and Gatwick and how great it is for Sean Citizen etc.
Yes, Lagerlout, we will see what Ryanair are made of come next summer but with a near immediate dropping of a STN rotation next January I remain quite suspicious of Ryanair in this matter. Bet Michael O'Leary in his Cork hurling jersey did not tell the boyos at Cork about that watering down of the STN-ORK schedule the day he was in town?
Cork is not Liverpool and she does not have the critical mass of population so there will be no base of substance at Cork and just to make sure of it being even less likely the 17 routes base at snn will not be put in danger because the much cuter boyos in charge at snn would not allow it to happen as long as they are giving FR freebies in the guise of marketing incentives etc.
Ryanair had very little interest in Cork until easyJet began in January. What does Ryanair's new, peculiar committment do for Cork? Among other things it serves to scare away other potential traffic? Remember, snn needs FR, Cork much less so.
However, as Lagerlout says, maybe I am getting it all wrong and we could be all in for the surprise of our lives at Cork next summer. If that is the case I will eat my hat and with salt too! It has been known to happen before!
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I can never understand the mania in Cork, Kerry and Knock about USA flights. They are never going to be of volume or big revenue generation.
I think the biggest blow to ORK is the loss of the BA service to Manchester this autumn. A service that ran for 12 years with great frequency and superb connections and it is replaced with a patchy BMIBaby service which is of poor frequency and quality.
So now Cork has poor service to both MAN and BHX. These are the two most important destinations for ORK after the London airports.
Look at SNN - things are worse for them - they now have NO service to MAN of any kind. They also now have NO service to BHX. FlyBe quietly pulled out of SNN at the start of Sep.
So. I guess you can have all the Ryanair flights you want to other airports - but hey if within a few months you do not have decent service from the West of Ireland to MAN or BHX - well that is grim for business people.
Ryanair are going to exert enormous political influence on the Irish Govt. through ORK and SNN airport as they systematically chase the other UK carriers away. Watch what will happen in 2007 before the May Irish Elections when Ryanair will threaten to pull all services from ORK and SNN when the deals are starting to run out and they want to pressure DUB airport.
I think the biggest blow to ORK is the loss of the BA service to Manchester this autumn. A service that ran for 12 years with great frequency and superb connections and it is replaced with a patchy BMIBaby service which is of poor frequency and quality.
So now Cork has poor service to both MAN and BHX. These are the two most important destinations for ORK after the London airports.
Look at SNN - things are worse for them - they now have NO service to MAN of any kind. They also now have NO service to BHX. FlyBe quietly pulled out of SNN at the start of Sep.
So. I guess you can have all the Ryanair flights you want to other airports - but hey if within a few months you do not have decent service from the West of Ireland to MAN or BHX - well that is grim for business people.
Ryanair are going to exert enormous political influence on the Irish Govt. through ORK and SNN airport as they systematically chase the other UK carriers away. Watch what will happen in 2007 before the May Irish Elections when Ryanair will threaten to pull all services from ORK and SNN when the deals are starting to run out and they want to pressure DUB airport.
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I think the obsession with direct US flights is primarily related to the impact it can have on the local economy rather than because it is of any benefit to the airport. Why did the company I work for open its first office on the European mainland in The Netherlands? Because there was a direct, frequent air connection from Cork. For business users, ease of connectivity is an important consideration when deciding on location.
I agree about Manchester. Indeed, with BMIBaby withdrawing from the East Midlands route, it's questionable what their value to Cork Airport is. They replaced an adequate Air Wales service to Cardiff with an adequate Air Wales service to Cardiff. They've forced BA off the Manchester route. They threaten the viability of Aer Arann's route to Birmingham. The only obvious benefit is the route to Durham Tees Valley and with Jet2 starting flights to Newcastle, it'll be interesting to see if they stick on that route.
I agree about Manchester. Indeed, with BMIBaby withdrawing from the East Midlands route, it's questionable what their value to Cork Airport is. They replaced an adequate Air Wales service to Cardiff with an adequate Air Wales service to Cardiff. They've forced BA off the Manchester route. They threaten the viability of Aer Arann's route to Birmingham. The only obvious benefit is the route to Durham Tees Valley and with Jet2 starting flights to Newcastle, it'll be interesting to see if they stick on that route.
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It would be interesting to see some detente between EI and Willie, with the result of some EI aircraft (320s or even some 319s from the option bank) replacing BA on the MAN routes to SNN and ORK, and maybe DUB-LGW too. BA can then concentrate their LGW aircraft on European routes where there is no alliance partner.
As for FR's new found love for ORK, EI's is not very old either... about as old as Jetmagic's launch
As for FR's new found love for ORK, EI's is not very old either... about as old as Jetmagic's launch
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The obsession with transatlantic flights from Cork is due to the fact that Cork city & county with about 500,000 and growing rapidly due to immigration is the second largest population centre in the Republic of Ireland. It is denied scheduled flights to the US (Ireland's largest trading partner) due to politics.
The EU will thankfully resolve this anachronism when they agree the Open skies deal with the US next year. It is about the economy and particularly US investment in the region. To get to/from Cork to the US, travellers must fly via hubs such as Dublin, Heathrow or Amsterdam.
When Open skies is agreed, airlines will announce scheduled transatlantic services into Cork within a matter of weeks.
The EU will thankfully resolve this anachronism when they agree the Open skies deal with the US next year. It is about the economy and particularly US investment in the region. To get to/from Cork to the US, travellers must fly via hubs such as Dublin, Heathrow or Amsterdam.
When Open skies is agreed, airlines will announce scheduled transatlantic services into Cork within a matter of weeks.
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Dublin Airport Authority got a smaller increase in charges from the regulator than they hoped for yesterday. Ryanair is predictably going crazy.
Seems that all it will really pay for is some of the cost of the new terminal in Cork. I wonder what pressure that has put on the Cork Airport Chairman today.
Can you handle that pressure Mr. Gantley?
How will you pay for the new fire service kit at Cork?
Seems that all it will really pay for is some of the cost of the new terminal in Cork. I wonder what pressure that has put on the Cork Airport Chairman today.
Can you handle that pressure Mr. Gantley?
How will you pay for the new fire service kit at Cork?
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When exactly do negotiations open again for the open skies policy? From what i have gathered the US are holding off as long as possible, and what about heathrow dont they also play a part in this fiasco?
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BA MAN-ORK was in decline as soon as they cut down from 3 a day to one a day two winters ago. At the time bmi baby went up to two daily for the winter from one during the summer so BA took the hit as they could never match the much cheaper fares of bmi baby. The BA fares were and have been mad high.
The following summer schedule saw bmi baby go back to just one daily for the summer. The brains around that decision still baffles me to this day. This coming winter schedule will see one a day bmi baby in the morning time to Cork rather than in the evening time with BA quitting altogether at the end of October.
My own thoughts are that Aer Arann should try twice daily ORK-MAN like they do with BHX. Costs of flying ATRs are away lower than flying classic 737s and offering a same day return would take business from bmi baby.
The following summer schedule saw bmi baby go back to just one daily for the summer. The brains around that decision still baffles me to this day. This coming winter schedule will see one a day bmi baby in the morning time to Cork rather than in the evening time with BA quitting altogether at the end of October.
My own thoughts are that Aer Arann should try twice daily ORK-MAN like they do with BHX. Costs of flying ATRs are away lower than flying classic 737s and offering a same day return would take business from bmi baby.
