DurhamTeesValleyAirport happenings
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DURHAM TEES VALLEY
Just thought my local airport deserved a thread 
Anyway, some news I have found
Air Wales are to operate a Sunday Cork rotation, WW8571/2 are the flight numbers.
Channel Islands Travel Service are using bmibaby as their airline this summer for their JER charter flight, showing as WW4011/2 (as it does on baby's site) but they're showing it as a Dash 8 on a Saturday, is it to be operated by Air Southwest again?
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Anyway, some news I have found
Air Wales are to operate a Sunday Cork rotation, WW8571/2 are the flight numbers.
Channel Islands Travel Service are using bmibaby as their airline this summer for their JER charter flight, showing as WW4011/2 (as it does on baby's site) but they're showing it as a Dash 8 on a Saturday, is it to be operated by Air Southwest again?
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At present the Air Wales will operate as 6G572/571 ORK-MME-ORK but using the WW8*** series for sales. All baby flights ex MME will operate with WW4*** flight numbers for S05.
The Air South West will be a similar operation to the Air Wales and will be an extra for Saturdays. (baby will operate also on Saturdays to/from JER as WW4011/4012)
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At present the Air Wales will operate as 6G572/571 ORK-MME-ORK but using the WW8*** series for sales. All baby flights ex MME will operate with WW4*** flight numbers for S05.
The Air South West will be a similar operation to the Air Wales and will be an extra for Saturdays. (baby will operate also on Saturdays to/from JER as WW4011/4012)
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CITS show the charter flight (WOW last summer) as baby, but as a D8 (Dash 8 I presume). Just wondered if it would be Air Southwest again, or maybe Flybe (they op NCL-JER, but this is a charter)?
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Just noticed that CITS show the flight as operating MME-JER-MME with a Dash 8
No they haven't, just wondering if this flight is to be operated by Air Southwest (seeing as they operated the charter last summer). It is shown as WW4011/12 (ie a bmibaby flight) but the type is shown as a D8.
No they haven't, just wondering if this flight is to be operated by Air Southwest (seeing as they operated the charter last summer). It is shown as WW4011/12 (ie a bmibaby flight) but the type is shown as a D8.
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Finished compiling the Britannia flights for next summer, the program looks like this
Las Palmas 0800 1750 1------ BAL155A/155B B738
Dalaman 1920 0500+1 1------ BAL102A/102B B738
Alicante 0700 1330 -2----- BAL044A/044B B738
Palma 1515 2130 -2----- BAL070A/070B B738
Paphos 0900 1930 --3---- BAL234A/234B B738
Monastir 2055 0435+1 --3---- BAL288A/288B B738
Palma 0700 2105 ---4--- BAL429A/429B B738 does 'W' in between
Corfu 0815 1600 ----5-- BAL558A/558B B738
Tenerife South 1745 0335+1 ----5-- BAL334A/334B B738
Mahon 0700 1325 -----6- BAL384A/384B B738
Palma 1605 2220 -----6- BAL538A/538B B738
Gerona 2345 0520+1 -----6- BAL020A/020B B738
Malaga 0640 1335 ------7 BAL140A/140B B738
Faro 1740 0015 ------7 BAL539A/539B B738
Ibiza 1535 1405 1------ BAL176A/176B ---- not based
So the based aircraft does this pattern during a week
Las Palmas - Dalaman - Alicante - Palma - Paphos - Monastir - Palma - Corfu - Tenerife - Mahon - Palma - Gerona - Malaga - Faro
Las Palmas 0800 1750 1------ BAL155A/155B B738
Dalaman 1920 0500+1 1------ BAL102A/102B B738
Alicante 0700 1330 -2----- BAL044A/044B B738
Palma 1515 2130 -2----- BAL070A/070B B738
Paphos 0900 1930 --3---- BAL234A/234B B738
Monastir 2055 0435+1 --3---- BAL288A/288B B738
Palma 0700 2105 ---4--- BAL429A/429B B738 does 'W' in between
Corfu 0815 1600 ----5-- BAL558A/558B B738
Tenerife South 1745 0335+1 ----5-- BAL334A/334B B738
Mahon 0700 1325 -----6- BAL384A/384B B738
Palma 1605 2220 -----6- BAL538A/538B B738
Gerona 2345 0520+1 -----6- BAL020A/020B B738
Malaga 0640 1335 ------7 BAL140A/140B B738
Faro 1740 0015 ------7 BAL539A/539B B738
Ibiza 1535 1405 1------ BAL176A/176B ---- not based
So the based aircraft does this pattern during a week
Las Palmas - Dalaman - Alicante - Palma - Paphos - Monastir - Palma - Corfu - Tenerife - Mahon - Palma - Gerona - Malaga - Faro
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BABY & PLAYMATES
At a recent board meeting bmi `capped` baby fleet at 16 aircraft for S05 baby are all to aware of adding extra capacity in the current market place, MOL may think this winter will be a bloodbath, but that will be nought compared with next summer. The reason Jet2 are into Manchester and cagey about further Leeds growth as a lot to do with happening down the road at Donny.
So baby are having some of its routes flown by others including turboprop operators eg air wales/air southwest also expect further routes from NEMA to go accross to regional AMS,BHD,CDG are the favourites.
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So baby are having some of its routes flown by others including turboprop operators eg air wales/air southwest also expect further routes from NEMA to go accross to regional AMS,BHD,CDG are the favourites.
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Inkjet, I don't think Jet2 are too concerned at whats going on down the road at Donny. Lets face it from their LBA base MAN is as far as Donny but they moved in there as they believe it's a different market. Would'nt be surprised if Jet2 moved into HUY or MME in the future.
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Unfortunately, I think, unlike Durham Tees Valley and Leeds Bradford, Humberside is going to forever have scheduled flights to Aberdeen and Amsterdam, and that will be it
The team at HUY have left it too late to act, they have lost a lucrative Thomson commitment to DSA, the market is now so segmented in the area, that anyone with an appropraiately sized aircraft already has a base nearby.
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The team at HUY have left it too late to act, they have lost a lucrative Thomson commitment to DSA, the market is now so segmented in the area, that anyone with an appropraiately sized aircraft already has a base nearby.
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Eastern tried EDI, unfortunately, it did not work, nor did Glasgow. The only way I see such routes being potentially viable is from a low cost airline, along the lines of a daily Flybe Q400 or something similar.
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A low cost operation for HUY was proposed to Manchester in 2001. Man were not interested, did not pursue it and so it did not happen......and yes they may have missed the boat for good now. Shame.
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My personal view is that Jet2 have an expansion strategy that is already well thought out and managed very well. It would not surprise me if they suddenly became the next major player in the low cost market.
There are still routes which would be incredibly successful from MME, HUY, NCL, EDI that no low cost airline has yet tapped into.
There are still routes which would be incredibly successful from MME, HUY, NCL, EDI that no low cost airline has yet tapped into.
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jet2 & LBA
Jet2 have done very well at Leeds sofar and i think they have some good routes out of Leeds, the fact remains that outside the North no one knows of them so lets not compare them with the Likes of Easy, Ryan,Flybe or indeed baby1
They still have a long way to go to get in the top league and yes they can do it, but the cost start to go off the scale when you introduce multiple bases and they need to make Leeds their own patch in the way that Ryan and Easy have else where.
People are under estimating the effect Donny will have on LBA and NEMA not in S05 but in 6,7,8 as for Humberside i am sorry to say for all you Humberside fan that not only have they missed the boat but i fear the boat ahs sunk!!
Donny might be as far as Manchester but Manchester and the M62/M60 is what really puts people of, its like going to Gatwick if you live North of London! you don't do it unless you have to and for most its the 25 that puts you off.
This last few weeks has seen a number of LoCo's go tits up, thankfully sofar in Europe, but you can not pour capacity into the UK market the way that UK based operators and expect no blood
I doubt that EuJet will see March, and baby are watching TUI group very closely Jet2 would be wise do like wise, they are the new kids on the block in this market and have yet to take a tumble but they will and like all little fellars the longer they they go the larger the fall!!
Happy Xmas and Safe flying to all Pprune'rs
Cheers
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They still have a long way to go to get in the top league and yes they can do it, but the cost start to go off the scale when you introduce multiple bases and they need to make Leeds their own patch in the way that Ryan and Easy have else where.
People are under estimating the effect Donny will have on LBA and NEMA not in S05 but in 6,7,8 as for Humberside i am sorry to say for all you Humberside fan that not only have they missed the boat but i fear the boat ahs sunk!!
Donny might be as far as Manchester but Manchester and the M62/M60 is what really puts people of, its like going to Gatwick if you live North of London! you don't do it unless you have to and for most its the 25 that puts you off.
This last few weeks has seen a number of LoCo's go tits up, thankfully sofar in Europe, but you can not pour capacity into the UK market the way that UK based operators and expect no blood
I doubt that EuJet will see March, and baby are watching TUI group very closely Jet2 would be wise do like wise, they are the new kids on the block in this market and have yet to take a tumble but they will and like all little fellars the longer they they go the larger the fall!!
Happy Xmas and Safe flying to all Pprune'rs
Cheers
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Still early days for the planning of S05. All concerned are trying to keep the 335 and all flights on Saturdays. Historically bmi have reduced the flights for the summer season but the loads are very good at present with few cancellations over the Xmas period.
As with this summer, bmi built a programme and then added to it so hopefully this may be the case for next summer. As I said above it's early days.........
Expect to see some additions to the baby programme also...
Not wanting to steal BOH\'s crown on the subject but when is MME going to get a new cash machine ?
Still early days for the planning of S05. All concerned are trying to keep the 335 and all flights on Saturdays. Historically bmi have reduced the flights for the summer season but the loads are very good at present with few cancellations over the Xmas period.
As with this summer, bmi built a programme and then added to it so hopefully this may be the case for next summer. As I said above it's early days.........
Expect to see some additions to the baby programme also...
Not wanting to steal BOH\'s crown on the subject but when is MME going to get a new cash machine ?