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Cork is indeed the 15th European Base for Ryanair! I think it's fantastic and indeed booked a few flights to Dublin for 1 cent each way!
What RE needs to do (in Ireland) is focus on thinner routes that FR won't be coming on and develop at airports that FR can't fly into or are less likely to due to runway lenght restrictions for the 737-800 such as Waterford, Galway, Derry, Sligo, Belfast City etc.
For them to compete on Cork to Dublin, they really need to develop interline agreements with Aer Lingus and the US carriers who fly into Dublin. Indeed, RE should do that on all their routes into Dublin.
If Aer Lingus is not interested, how about American, Continental, Delta, US Airways. The EU & US Open skies talks are renewing later this month. Its only a matter of time before Aer Lingus, Continental or even Aer Arann will announce scheduled transatlantic flights from Cork. I wouldn't be surprised if Aer Lingus announced a scheduled "charter" in the interim for next year if the Open Skies deal falls through.
What RE needs to do (in Ireland) is focus on thinner routes that FR won't be coming on and develop at airports that FR can't fly into or are less likely to due to runway lenght restrictions for the 737-800 such as Waterford, Galway, Derry, Sligo, Belfast City etc.
For them to compete on Cork to Dublin, they really need to develop interline agreements with Aer Lingus and the US carriers who fly into Dublin. Indeed, RE should do that on all their routes into Dublin.
If Aer Lingus is not interested, how about American, Continental, Delta, US Airways. The EU & US Open skies talks are renewing later this month. Its only a matter of time before Aer Lingus, Continental or even Aer Arann will announce scheduled transatlantic flights from Cork. I wouldn't be surprised if Aer Lingus announced a scheduled "charter" in the interim for next year if the Open Skies deal falls through.
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About time saving tell me what exactly you are going to do with 5 mn as FR is going to DUB in 50 mn and RE in 55 mn block .
what a big difference. and remenber to check in 40 mn at least before the flight otherwise the flight is closed and therefore you pay the full price on the next one
that is what i call customer service.
and seriously there are surely plenty oportunities out there from Cork to Continent, that can be operated with 738
and the only routes FR is able to come up with is DUB and Gatwick
at least they could have come up with an early stansted
what a great service for Cork.
what a big difference. and remenber to check in 40 mn at least before the flight otherwise the flight is closed and therefore you pay the full price on the next one
that is what i call customer service.
and seriously there are surely plenty oportunities out there from Cork to Continent, that can be operated with 738
and the only routes FR is able to come up with is DUB and Gatwick
at least they could have come up with an early stansted
what a great service for Cork.
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The dumbing down of the Cork Airport product began in earnest yesterday. My guess is that by the beginning of the winter schedule 2006 there are likely to be just two main players left at Cork Airport - Ryanair and Aer Lingus. Most of the other carriers will have been squeezed and will be gone and very little other product will remain for the Cork Airport consumer except her shiny new terminal.
And what for? All for a few lousy shots in the papers with M O'L! Certainly, what a day's work by the CAA! You can take a month or two off now, boys, after all the hard work!
Up the Rebels, my arse!
The snn stopover is still calling the shots for flights to America making it almost impossible for Cork to move forward. The snn lobby still has Cork and Dublin too by the balls - it is as plain as that and yet snn have the best of everything, they have all their scheduled flights across the Atlantic along with all the US military transits and they have all the seventeen Ryanair routes as well not to mention the terminal infrastructure like airbridges, long runway etc, etc. Someone said to me this evening also that the Cork to Galway bus now stops at the terminal at snn everytime? Is this correct? If so, it shows you what you are dealing with in snn. They are streets ahead of the boyos at the CAA. Witness also the FR Nantes ads near Cork Airport!
Immigration and security issues, Neidin? You are making it sound like the Jet2 BFS-ORK farce all over again but then again when it comes to acting the clown the crowd at the CAA are near number one.
I can tell you one thing though; if it was a SNN - JFK charter organised by Slatterys the whole business would have been arranged to absolute perfection with not an iota of detail left out. You would get the impression that the shower at Cork hardly look on the place as being a real airport at all! A kind of afterthought, really, a sort of rest home, perhaps!
Mediocrity has won the day at Cork Airport.
And what for? All for a few lousy shots in the papers with M O'L! Certainly, what a day's work by the CAA! You can take a month or two off now, boys, after all the hard work!
Up the Rebels, my arse!
The snn stopover is still calling the shots for flights to America making it almost impossible for Cork to move forward. The snn lobby still has Cork and Dublin too by the balls - it is as plain as that and yet snn have the best of everything, they have all their scheduled flights across the Atlantic along with all the US military transits and they have all the seventeen Ryanair routes as well not to mention the terminal infrastructure like airbridges, long runway etc, etc. Someone said to me this evening also that the Cork to Galway bus now stops at the terminal at snn everytime? Is this correct? If so, it shows you what you are dealing with in snn. They are streets ahead of the boyos at the CAA. Witness also the FR Nantes ads near Cork Airport!
Immigration and security issues, Neidin? You are making it sound like the Jet2 BFS-ORK farce all over again but then again when it comes to acting the clown the crowd at the CAA are near number one.
I can tell you one thing though; if it was a SNN - JFK charter organised by Slatterys the whole business would have been arranged to absolute perfection with not an iota of detail left out. You would get the impression that the shower at Cork hardly look on the place as being a real airport at all! A kind of afterthought, really, a sort of rest home, perhaps!
Mediocrity has won the day at Cork Airport.
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Ryanair services on Dublin - Cork confirmed this morning.
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RYANAIR ANNOUNCES 15th EUROPEAN BASE AT CORK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT
LOW FARE DOMESTIC FLIGHTS ARRIVE IN IRELAND
Ryanair, Europe’s No. 1 low fares airline, today (Tuesday, 13th September 2005) announced Cork as its 15th European base. From 24th November 2005, Ryanair will base a brand new Boeing 737-800 aircraft worth $60M in Cork and add two new routes to Dublin and London Gatwick that will deliver more than 1 million passengers per annum on Ryanair’s four routes to and from Cork.
FROM TO STARTING FREQUENCY
CORK DUBLIN 24th Nov 05 3 Daily
CORK LONDON GATWICK 24th Nov 05 2 Daily
CORK LIVERPOOL Existing 1 Daily
CORK LONDON STANSTED Existing 4 Daily
Announcing Ryanair’s 15th European base at Cork International Airport today, Ryanair’s CEO, Michael O’Leary, said:
“We are delighted to announce Cork International Airport as our 15th European base. Ryanair’s new Cork base will deliver 1 million passengers per annum, sustain 1,000 jobs in the region and allow the people of Cork and Munster to travel internationally and domestically for a fraction of existing prices.
“For the first time Irish passengers will be able to enjoy the benefits of Europe’s lowest fares and most punctual airline on a domestic route. More than 1,000 low fare seats will be available daily between Cork and Dublin acting as a major stimulus to the tourism and business life of Cork.
“Seats on these new routes are available for immediate booking on www.ryanair.com from €0.99 and we urge all passengers to book straight away as demand for fares this low fares will be huge”.
Speaking today, Joe Gantley, Chairman of Cork Airport Authority, said:
“The Board of CAA welcome Ryanair’s commitment to establishing a base in Cork and look forward to the contribution this will make to the continued growth of Cork Airport”.
Gloves off !
RYANAIR ANNOUNCES 15th EUROPEAN BASE AT CORK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT
LOW FARE DOMESTIC FLIGHTS ARRIVE IN IRELAND
Ryanair, Europe’s No. 1 low fares airline, today (Tuesday, 13th September 2005) announced Cork as its 15th European base. From 24th November 2005, Ryanair will base a brand new Boeing 737-800 aircraft worth $60M in Cork and add two new routes to Dublin and London Gatwick that will deliver more than 1 million passengers per annum on Ryanair’s four routes to and from Cork.
FROM TO STARTING FREQUENCY
CORK DUBLIN 24th Nov 05 3 Daily
CORK LONDON GATWICK 24th Nov 05 2 Daily
CORK LIVERPOOL Existing 1 Daily
CORK LONDON STANSTED Existing 4 Daily
Announcing Ryanair’s 15th European base at Cork International Airport today, Ryanair’s CEO, Michael O’Leary, said:
“We are delighted to announce Cork International Airport as our 15th European base. Ryanair’s new Cork base will deliver 1 million passengers per annum, sustain 1,000 jobs in the region and allow the people of Cork and Munster to travel internationally and domestically for a fraction of existing prices.
“For the first time Irish passengers will be able to enjoy the benefits of Europe’s lowest fares and most punctual airline on a domestic route. More than 1,000 low fare seats will be available daily between Cork and Dublin acting as a major stimulus to the tourism and business life of Cork.
“Seats on these new routes are available for immediate booking on www.ryanair.com from €0.99 and we urge all passengers to book straight away as demand for fares this low fares will be huge”.
Speaking today, Joe Gantley, Chairman of Cork Airport Authority, said:
“The Board of CAA welcome Ryanair’s commitment to establishing a base in Cork and look forward to the contribution this will make to the continued growth of Cork Airport”.
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Tom - what is your alternative? Continue flying ATRs to Dublin - why? REs noisy, cramped, slow and uncomfortable ATRs have their place, but as I said in previous posts, they are a hell of a step back from the EI 732s and 1-11s that I used on that route over 15 years ago. Time and market have caught up with RE and to be honest, their product has been found wanting. It may be fine for short thin routes (just), but not on busy routes. I do suspect that the RE business plan is on its last page and I am unclear if they have any other new business ideas. Their plan is firmly based on the ATR fleet and that product has a defined market niche. Cork-Dublin may no longer be the right sector for that product.
Finally - when people complain about FR customer service, do they really think that it is any better than some of the larger carriers such as EI, CO, KLM, NW and AA? As a punter, my own view is that the economy-class customer service experience is pretty universal. Get used to being treated as self-loading-freight and you won't be disappointed.
Finally - when people complain about FR customer service, do they really think that it is any better than some of the larger carriers such as EI, CO, KLM, NW and AA? As a punter, my own view is that the economy-class customer service experience is pretty universal. Get used to being treated as self-loading-freight and you won't be disappointed.
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Aer Arann can compete, but they need to make some decisions they've been trying not to make. They'll need a frequent flyer programme and lounge access for frequent flyers [Let's face it business travellers care more about the perks than the price]. They'll need to reduce their check-in time. They'll need to get their CAT II problems well and truly sorted. They'll need to get code share agreements with airlines that operate into Dublin.
I disagree that Ryanair's customer service standards match Aer Lingus'. I was stranded in Schiphol by snow in March. Aer Lingus sent an extra plane to make up the backlog. My sister was caught in Heathrow by a flight that had to be cancelled in August. Aer Lingus put her up in a hotel and sent an extra plane the next day. I can't imagine Ryanair doing that.
I disagree that Ryanair's customer service standards match Aer Lingus'. I was stranded in Schiphol by snow in March. Aer Lingus sent an extra plane to make up the backlog. My sister was caught in Heathrow by a flight that had to be cancelled in August. Aer Lingus put her up in a hotel and sent an extra plane the next day. I can't imagine Ryanair doing that.
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Ryanair bases with one plane
I can think of several FR bases that started off life with just one aircraft (there may be more):
- Rome CIA started in Jan 2004 with one aircraft and now has 5.
- Luton LTN had only one aircraft for a number of years and now has 4.
- Shannon SNN had only one aircraft until May 2005, when the number based there increased to 3.
- Initially, there will only be one aircraft at Pisa PSA, with a second joining in Jan 06.
- Rome CIA started in Jan 2004 with one aircraft and now has 5.
- Luton LTN had only one aircraft for a number of years and now has 4.
- Shannon SNN had only one aircraft until May 2005, when the number based there increased to 3.
- Initially, there will only be one aircraft at Pisa PSA, with a second joining in Jan 06.
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TTT, FR will be operating FOUR flights a day to STN and not THREE as you mentioned above. I seem to remember talking to you on several occasions when you had the guns out against RE in the past but now they are your favorite carrier it seems?? Get real Tom, admit it, your main aim in life is to slag of the CAA and any changes they may make. Is that sour grapes on behalf of your friend smythy by any chance? I'm surprised you didn't apply for the marketing job yourself if you feel the CAA are that useless!!
Also, can you expand maybe on how you feel CAA could have saved slatterys?? maybe Gantely could have given Bush a call and asked him to lower the cost of oil!!??
Also, can you expand maybe on how you feel CAA could have saved slatterys?? maybe Gantely could have given Bush a call and asked him to lower the cost of oil!!??
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840 ..[Let's face it business travellers care more about the perks than the price]... This is NOT correct. I have travelled on business for over 15 years and let me assure you that for most if not all business travellers, the #1 concern is cost not the fact you get a free bag of nuts in a tatty lounge ,000s of miles from home.
Regarding customer service in general. my own sense is that they are all pretty much the same. Stuck in a far away airport and trying to get home while dealing with a customer service agent on basic minimum wage isn't much fun regardless of the airline.
Regarding customer service in general. my own sense is that they are all pretty much the same. Stuck in a far away airport and trying to get home while dealing with a customer service agent on basic minimum wage isn't much fun regardless of the airline.
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Riverrock, if you should care to check out the Ryanair website for Cork - Stansted for 11th January, 2006 you can see from that date on there will be only three daily flights to Stansted. The FR903/4 from January, 11th 2006 is gone so you need not try to rise me with your fumbling petulance.
When was the last time Aer Arann made a CATII approach to landing at Cork? They have now been found out on ORK-DUB and FR are going to stuff 'em. A pal of mine bought three return tickets to DUB last night for 38 euros! Yes, you can't beat that.
However, RE are a Cork employer, they have provided jobs to Cork men and Cork women. Have you any idea how it feels for Cork born people to have a pilot job based at Cork and how good that feels for those involved?
How many jobs have Ryanair created for Cork people since they landed their first 1-11 at Cork? We will see what, if any, kinds of jobs O'Leary will create now for Cork people.
It seems that the CAA were not too bothered at all about filling John Smyth's position, were they? There was no hurry, anyway, in that the ads for the job only appeared in the last few weeks.
What have the CAA got for Cork Airport in terms of new routes since Mr Smyth's departure? Dublin, Gatwick, is it? What creativity! As for me applying, I would have done if I had the required qualifications but I am happy to say that I am more than content in my various jobs in the health services which I find very rewarding.
However, if I was invited to manage Cork Airport for a month I would gladly take up the challenge so if you can arrange it with anyone you can contact me here!
All it needed was one or two Slatterys flights to New York to work to set the precedence. Cork could have helped Slatterys out by sharing some of the cost of the 95 euro surcharge by waiving some other payable fee? Relatively speaking, New York was lost because of small amounts of money and 24 hours later this still sickens me.
It would have damn well not happened at Shannon Airport?
When was the last time Aer Arann made a CATII approach to landing at Cork? They have now been found out on ORK-DUB and FR are going to stuff 'em. A pal of mine bought three return tickets to DUB last night for 38 euros! Yes, you can't beat that.
However, RE are a Cork employer, they have provided jobs to Cork men and Cork women. Have you any idea how it feels for Cork born people to have a pilot job based at Cork and how good that feels for those involved?
How many jobs have Ryanair created for Cork people since they landed their first 1-11 at Cork? We will see what, if any, kinds of jobs O'Leary will create now for Cork people.
It seems that the CAA were not too bothered at all about filling John Smyth's position, were they? There was no hurry, anyway, in that the ads for the job only appeared in the last few weeks.
What have the CAA got for Cork Airport in terms of new routes since Mr Smyth's departure? Dublin, Gatwick, is it? What creativity! As for me applying, I would have done if I had the required qualifications but I am happy to say that I am more than content in my various jobs in the health services which I find very rewarding.
However, if I was invited to manage Cork Airport for a month I would gladly take up the challenge so if you can arrange it with anyone you can contact me here!
All it needed was one or two Slatterys flights to New York to work to set the precedence. Cork could have helped Slatterys out by sharing some of the cost of the 95 euro surcharge by waiving some other payable fee? Relatively speaking, New York was lost because of small amounts of money and 24 hours later this still sickens me.
It would have damn well not happened at Shannon Airport?
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One of the big problems with the Slattery's news is that after two failed attempts to launch Cork-New York, people are going to be very reticent about booking that flight. If it does resurface, it'll have to be run by Aer Lingus or one of the better known American Airlines for people to trust them.
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Read today's papers. The waffle coming out of M O'L yesterday at Cork is away more painful. The sad thing is that the game of smoke and mirrors has begun. Ryanair will not do anything new at Cork. It would cause too many problems for them with the crowd at snn from where he is receiving generous marketing supports for the new routes that have begun this year. FR now have another new base today from EMA. EMA-ORK is a sitter so why not try it? Ask the snn crowd for the answer.
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if ORK subsidised Slatterys to even 45-50 euro a head that would be an enormous sum and probably even FR would be raising an eyebrow after their reverse at Charleroi etc.
I understand your bitterness but at the end of the day, FR are not a threat to Arann but to IE and that's from FR themselves! Basing aircraft will mean jobs for Cork whichever way you slice it.
Now if FR decided to start operations into France from ORK that would be bad news for RE who seem to be looking in that direction more and more.
if ORK subsidised Slatterys to even 45-50 euro a head that would be an enormous sum and probably even FR would be raising an eyebrow after their reverse at Charleroi etc.
I understand your bitterness but at the end of the day, FR are not a threat to Arann but to IE and that's from FR themselves! Basing aircraft will mean jobs for Cork whichever way you slice it.
Now if FR decided to start operations into France from ORK that would be bad news for RE who seem to be looking in that direction more and more.
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I could never understand the fixation with transatlantic flights from ORK. As someone rightly pointed out in an earlier post, it would be a nice service but it will never be a bread and butter route for the airport. Rather, I would much prefer to see more emphasis put on developing additional european routes and building on what exists at the moment.
In any case, I would rather not fly a charter when going transatlantic. A technical problem during a big holiday means ones plans are in a mess, with dealys, etc. Long haul is generally best left to the majors, at least in my view as a traveller.
Re ORK - DUB, price is a major concern. I think FR will grow the market to DUB rather than steal from RE and Irish Rail. RE initally benefitted from Irish Rail's appalling service and steep prices. But many people just avoid the trip if at all possible and this would change if there were more options and improved pricing.
As for the CAA, I don't know how good / bad the last marketing manager (Mr. Symth) was, but he has now gone and it is surely time to move on.
As for the airport itself, I hope that they can keep it clean and in good nick. The existing terminal resembles something in Bagdad at the moment. Let's hope the new terminal is maintained and managed to a proper standard.
In any case, I would rather not fly a charter when going transatlantic. A technical problem during a big holiday means ones plans are in a mess, with dealys, etc. Long haul is generally best left to the majors, at least in my view as a traveller.
Re ORK - DUB, price is a major concern. I think FR will grow the market to DUB rather than steal from RE and Irish Rail. RE initally benefitted from Irish Rail's appalling service and steep prices. But many people just avoid the trip if at all possible and this would change if there were more options and improved pricing.
As for the CAA, I don't know how good / bad the last marketing manager (Mr. Symth) was, but he has now gone and it is surely time to move on.
As for the airport itself, I hope that they can keep it clean and in good nick. The existing terminal resembles something in Bagdad at the moment. Let's hope the new terminal is maintained and managed to a proper standard.
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Well, asianfly, you have Singapore down as your base, correct? Do you make return trips home from time to time to Europe/Ireland? I would guess that you would like to do that with as minimum fuss as possible? Now, imagine that if everytime you want to come west to Europe or across the Pacific to North America you were obliged to travel from Singapore first before joining a flight at Kuala Lumpar to, say, London or New York Newark. I bet you and all the folks down there at Singapore would not be best pleased by such a tactic as a forced trip down to Malaysia?