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Do EU rules allow for a PSO route to be between an EU and non EU/EEA/single market destination ? I'm wondering whether a Dublin-Derry route would remain valid beyond March 2019. If not, the time to gazette for tenders, and go through the process until flights are operating would presumably kill off any possibility of this happening
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Do EU rules allow for a PSO route to be between an EU and non EU/EEA/single market destination ?
between an airport in the Community and an airport serving a peripheral or development region in its territory or on a thin route to any airport on its territory any such route being considered vital for the economic and social development of the region which the airport serves.
So it suggests that PSOs are only accepted as distortion of trade where they serve the purpose of connecting airports within Community territory.
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Isn't the potential LDY-DUB from the Route Development Fund though rather than a PSO. So not subject to the same requirements. I believe though it was specific to the applicant (Citywing), so will not be flown unless someone else put in a bid.
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From the tenders there was BMI and Stobart. BMI i believe scored circa 89% and Stobart scored circa 68%.
At the weekend I noticed that G-CKAF positioned to Bristol after doing the morning STN rotation. I wonder if they would consider this even as a revenue flight on a weekly basis to start with rather than fly empty.
Stobart may have been the better option on route development, however given the outcry when a prop was used to serve the current route i imagine a jet based airline would have been the preference.
Would they have used one of the 175's on lease from flybe to service it?
At the weekend I noticed that G-CKAF positioned to Bristol after doing the morning STN rotation. I wonder if they would consider this even as a revenue flight on a weekly basis to start with rather than fly empty.
Stobart may have been the better option on route development, however given the outcry when a prop was used to serve the current route i imagine a jet based airline would have been the preference.
Would they have used one of the 175's on lease from flybe to service it?
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Interesting Buzz Hornet. Where did you get access to that information, I wouldn't mind a read. In my opinion Stobarts lower prices, larger aircraft and their greater potential to service other UK airports from CODA would be more important than the speed of the journey
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It's every 15 mins or so off-peak and journey times aren't too dissimilar to the Stansted Express, unless you're heading to Tottenham or somewhere like that you're likely to reach your destination in London at least as quick if not quicker from SEN. Although the distance is slightly longer, you won't ever do a couple of laps of Herts or South Cambridgeshire on the way to SEN.
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Clearly haven't seen SEN anytime a bit of weather comes along!
The route would suffer massively if it went to SEN, if they couldn't maintain a route from Dublin (although they are trying again soon) what makes you think it'll last from Derry!
The route would suffer massively if it went to SEN, if they couldn't maintain a route from Dublin (although they are trying again soon) what makes you think it'll last from Derry!
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SEN's weather is generally pretty good, again no worse than STN. It quite often benefits from things going tits up at LCY.
What makes me think it would last from Derry? Well, there wouldn't be any other option primarily. I think the Stobart fare structure would offer cheaper fares in greater numbers and help stimulate the market. I'm confident that if the good people of Derry had to use SEN, they would be highly satisfied after trying it.
I have the benefit of living equidistance from SEN and STN. Although where the option exists SEN is my preference as a traveller, I'm not particularly pro one over the other. But where I see factual inaccuracies I'll step in.
What makes me think it would last from Derry? Well, there wouldn't be any other option primarily. I think the Stobart fare structure would offer cheaper fares in greater numbers and help stimulate the market. I'm confident that if the good people of Derry had to use SEN, they would be highly satisfied after trying it.
I have the benefit of living equidistance from SEN and STN. Although where the option exists SEN is my preference as a traveller, I'm not particularly pro one over the other. But where I see factual inaccuracies I'll step in.
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Look at Waterford airport, SEN is the route that killed all London routes.
Also, SEN has CAT I ILS compares to Stan's CAT III, and is more susceptible to crosswinds, so it certainly is much worse for weather than STN.
Also, SEN has CAT I ILS compares to Stan's CAT III, and is more susceptible to crosswinds, so it certainly is much worse for weather than STN.
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Not really comparable, WAT-LON had been on a downward trajectory anyway. The fatal mistake was shifting it to SEN long before the new terminal and railway station were up and running, the bus transfer to Rochford station unsurprisingly wasn't popular and people didn't go back. If LTN (or STN) was the answer it would have been shifted back and the fact it wasn't speaks volumes. Also I understand the more recent WAT-LTN effort by VLM wasn't exactly packed to the rafters.
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VLM were a fatal airline, market had already detoriated massively from WAT and I understand Derry's BMI isn't exactly packed either.
I'm afraid SEN is not a viable alternative to STN whatsoever, there's a reason that STN has multiples and multiples of SEN.
I'm afraid SEN is not a viable alternative to STN whatsoever, there's a reason that STN has multiples and multiples of SEN.
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I agree with most of what you say but would respectfully take issue with this assertion. Stobart acquired Aer Arann as a vehicle to develop Southend Airport. WAT-LTN was therefore switched to SEN for ideological reasons. Moving it away from SEN again would have been tantamount to admitting that other London airports were more attractive to passengers (which would have been anathema to Stobart). At the time, Aer Arann/Stobart Air management privately conceded that it was their actions that had been responsible for the route's downfall. (In fairness, the move to SEN had been the final straw, but there had been schedule changes and reliability problems before that which had already damaged the route.)
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More problems on Stansted today it seems; morning flights o/b and I/b cancelled so presumably chartered F-HRGD has gone tech again.
ATR 72 S5-ACK from Aero5M seems to have crept in unnoticed during the day and is operating the evening services.
ATR 72 S5-ACK from Aero5M seems to have crept in unnoticed during the day and is operating the evening services.
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They better have it sorted by Wednesday as myself and 4 others are flying Wed evening Stansted to Derry after an early start in Faro with Jet2 to Stansted.
Flew Derry to Stansted last Tuesday 11th July morning flight on F-HRGD, flight was about 75/80% full but you want to have heard the wheel brakes on F-HRGD, it was metal on metal, if a car it would have def failed the MOT.
Flew Derry to Stansted last Tuesday 11th July morning flight on F-HRGD, flight was about 75/80% full but you want to have heard the wheel brakes on F-HRGD, it was metal on metal, if a car it would have def failed the MOT.
June stats are out. LDY-STN carried 4200 at 37.5/flight or a LF of 76.5%. This has to be one of the best LFs that BMIR have. I wonder how it will be before they add a third rotation. Despite the crying on that bastion of culture The Mark Patterson Show about prices, people are clearly using it.