DERRY/LONDONDERRY
Travelled through LDY four times this week. Out and back to STN, and out and back to BHX. All services were very busy, but the thing that impresses me most is how professional an outfit LDY is now. From the new apron to runway, and onto the revamped departures lounge (which is still bright and airy), and all the staff.
When this is considered, it is a real shame that "spokespersons" for the airport seem clueless. The Alicante story mentioned above reminds me of the time the airport was shut by the CAA, and the person who was interviewed said only 10 flights would be affected. In actuality, it was more like 28.
Anyway, here's hoping the obvious hard work of Damien Tierney and his colleagues can be rewarded with more routes and users out of what is a great little airport.
When this is considered, it is a real shame that "spokespersons" for the airport seem clueless. The Alicante story mentioned above reminds me of the time the airport was shut by the CAA, and the person who was interviewed said only 10 flights would be affected. In actuality, it was more like 28.
Anyway, here's hoping the obvious hard work of Damien Tierney and his colleagues can be rewarded with more routes and users out of what is a great little airport.
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LDY-ALC
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Here's my take on LDY-ALC: Firstly, if the route has gone next summer, I hope that Ryanair can be persuaded to have a go at LDY-AGP or LDY-REU instead.
The chart and table below show the figures from AENA for 2009 and 2010.
The killer is the green line - the 2010 flown load factor, which is well down on the 2009 numbers for every month except August.
For a route in its second summer, this isn't what you would expect to see. With Ryanair the opposite tends to happen on a maturing route: Loads and yields usually climb.
Unfortunately, it seems that a route that showed promise early on sadly hasn't matured the way that the airline hoped, and as we know, this particular airline is ruthless with routes that don't perform. Let's hope that Faro does better next summer.
Here's my take on LDY-ALC: Firstly, if the route has gone next summer, I hope that Ryanair can be persuaded to have a go at LDY-AGP or LDY-REU instead.
The chart and table below show the figures from AENA for 2009 and 2010.
The killer is the green line - the 2010 flown load factor, which is well down on the 2009 numbers for every month except August.
For a route in its second summer, this isn't what you would expect to see. With Ryanair the opposite tends to happen on a maturing route: Loads and yields usually climb.
Unfortunately, it seems that a route that showed promise early on sadly hasn't matured the way that the airline hoped, and as we know, this particular airline is ruthless with routes that don't perform. Let's hope that Faro does better next summer.
Great stuff as always, Anna.
GnRdl, the season being extended during 2010, as opposed to 2009, may have diluted the LF as well. Same number of people flying, over a much longer season. As Amelia said above, is the route doesn't perform over seven months, cut it to four.
GnRdl, the season being extended during 2010, as opposed to 2009, may have diluted the LF as well. Same number of people flying, over a much longer season. As Amelia said above, is the route doesn't perform over seven months, cut it to four.
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Video killed the radio star!
Faro killed Alicante.
As stated the longer season didn't help, Faro was given a third flight and if there was additional ALC capacity at BFS then the picture is comlpete.
But the route did work in 2009 so to abandon it completely seems to be throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Hopefully some common sense will prevail and when Derry City Council finally get their act together they can discuss with Ryanair the possibility of a shorter season.
However the whole episode doesn't augur well for the introduction of future routes. There is no doubt that AGP would work but would it then kill Faro which really has no greater demand than ALC?
At the heart of this fiasco are the same factors that have stiffled the development of domestic routes: all government jobs, finances and investment are concentrated on Belfast well in excess of what the population figures would reasonably dictate in a deliberate policy of neglect of the west which has left the local economy and populace impoverished with lower disposable income than the east of the province. Until that issue is resolved City of Derry airport will never thrive.
(P.S. - Nice analysis as ever Anna_list)
As stated the longer season didn't help, Faro was given a third flight and if there was additional ALC capacity at BFS then the picture is comlpete.
But the route did work in 2009 so to abandon it completely seems to be throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Hopefully some common sense will prevail and when Derry City Council finally get their act together they can discuss with Ryanair the possibility of a shorter season.
However the whole episode doesn't augur well for the introduction of future routes. There is no doubt that AGP would work but would it then kill Faro which really has no greater demand than ALC?
At the heart of this fiasco are the same factors that have stiffled the development of domestic routes: all government jobs, finances and investment are concentrated on Belfast well in excess of what the population figures would reasonably dictate in a deliberate policy of neglect of the west which has left the local economy and populace impoverished with lower disposable income than the east of the province. Until that issue is resolved City of Derry airport will never thrive.
(P.S. - Nice analysis as ever Anna_list)
Come on Amelia!!
You're not suggesting a policy of stopping both motorways half way to Derry, a crap railway line (where else in Western Europe does it take 2 hours 40 minutes to travel 75 miles?), centralising the majority of public sector jobs in Belfast, and recent announcements by the DSD/DRD about the abandonment of the Foyle Street development, were all deliberate? Crazy talk!!
However, when the axe falls on public sector jobs, the policy of keeping the vast majority of them in Belfast will back-fire on that city.
But anyway; enough of this. It's about time Derry lifted ITSELF, and stopped relying on Stormont. CODA is an analogy of this, and it's about time the airport started looking after itself.
Having been through it four times in the last week, it IS a great facility. It's not the biggest, or busiest, but the number of people not from NI, who I overheard saying what a pleasure the place is to use was great.
You're not suggesting a policy of stopping both motorways half way to Derry, a crap railway line (where else in Western Europe does it take 2 hours 40 minutes to travel 75 miles?), centralising the majority of public sector jobs in Belfast, and recent announcements by the DSD/DRD about the abandonment of the Foyle Street development, were all deliberate? Crazy talk!!
However, when the axe falls on public sector jobs, the policy of keeping the vast majority of them in Belfast will back-fire on that city.
But anyway; enough of this. It's about time Derry lifted ITSELF, and stopped relying on Stormont. CODA is an analogy of this, and it's about time the airport started looking after itself.
Having been through it four times in the last week, it IS a great facility. It's not the biggest, or busiest, but the number of people not from NI, who I overheard saying what a pleasure the place is to use was great.
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a crap railway line (where else in Western Europe does it take 2 hours 40 minutes to travel 75 miles?)
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Well Derry will be getting two more passengers added to its liverpool route
we live in larne but cost has played a big part in our decsion to fly from LDY
easyJet - BFS-Liverpool £97.98
flybe - BHD -Liverpool £99.98
Ryanair - LDY-Liverpool £42.00
Cant wait to use LDY
Can i ask what Facitilies are available (Food,Retail etc..)
we live in larne but cost has played a big part in our decsion to fly from LDY
easyJet - BFS-Liverpool £97.98
flybe - BHD -Liverpool £99.98
Ryanair - LDY-Liverpool £42.00
Cant wait to use LDY
Can i ask what Facitilies are available (Food,Retail etc..)
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Cant wait to use LDY Can i ask what Facitilies are available (Food,Retail etc..)
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I will Inform you on it on my way back
Now more importantly, where would you recomend for somewhere to eat within the airport? flying out at 13:10 so lunch will be needed
Now more importantly, where would you recomend for somewhere to eat within the airport? flying out at 13:10 so lunch will be needed
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Sounds Good 
and Yeah £5.50 for a Stale Sandwich Thats probably been to about 8 different countries in a sweaty airplane. No Thanks Ill Have a big bowl of Irish Stew before i go back to english soil
and Yeah £5.50 for a Stale Sandwich Thats probably been to about 8 different countries in a sweaty airplane. No Thanks
Ill Have a big bowl of Irish Stew before i go back to english soil
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easyJet - BFS-Liverpool £97.98
flybe - BHD -Liverpool £99.98
Ryanair - LDY-Liverpool £42.00
flybe - BHD -Liverpool £99.98
Ryanair - LDY-Liverpool £42.00
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Fantastic, all our predicting that some passengers that would have availed of Ryanair in Belfast defecting to Derry has come true. And I'm sure that even one comment on here counts for 10's of people who don't know this forum exists using Derry aswell. I can only see the road improvements helping CODA's sphere of influence!
Please report back your thoughts on the airport, and more importantly the journey from Larne and back! Enjoy your flight!
Please report back your thoughts on the airport, and more importantly the journey from Larne and back! Enjoy your flight!
With BFS already fogged out, and the TAF for BHD being as follows:
EGAC 141405Z 1415/1421 VRB03KT 9999 SCT008 SCT025 PROB40 1415/1418 3000 BR BKN004 BECMG 1418/1421 0200 FG VV///
I wonder if we'll see the first Flybe diversions of the season at LDY?
EGAC 141405Z 1415/1421 VRB03KT 9999 SCT008 SCT025 PROB40 1415/1418 3000 BR BKN004 BECMG 1418/1421 0200 FG VV///
I wonder if we'll see the first Flybe diversions of the season at LDY?
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I wonder if we'll see the first Flybe diversions of the season at LDY?
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I agree that would be a good average, but the trouble is your figures give an average of 39 mph!
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the Belfast - Derry line is nearer 90 miles, and it only takes 2h 20m the current timetable. In any predominantly rural region of Europe an average speed of 60 mph is not bad for a passenger train
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